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Mahoning posted:And when I saw that the photos released by the FBI wasn't anyone from the Internet sleuthing, I was happy and relieved that I was right: they loving know what they're doing and don't need the help of fat lonely nerds in their basements. And to think, it took them less than 3 days to find them amongst thousands of pictures from an event attended by half a million people. Bravo FBI. Naw, the investigation was helped greatly when authorities could delegate racism to Reddit and 4chan.
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tnimark posted:Do we know who Mike Mulugeta is and how his name was even dragged into this in the first place? The police were reading off the name "Mulugeta" on the scanner and I think they said "M as in Mike," not that his/her name actually was Mike. Mulugeta is an Ethiopian last name, and since the pictures were two white dudes I did not expect it to be him. Chances are that someone named Mulugeta was stopped/arrested that day, probably for some kind of crime scene thing.
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It's lovely media's fault. While reddit is dumb as hell, desperate reporters could have skimmed the SA thread for inaccurate accusatory pictures just as easily.
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omg chael crash posted:Old City/Center City. Even if it is unlikely that this is connected, thanks for sharing. I'll just watch the Philly thread for if you have any updates.
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Pharmaskittle posted:It's lovely media's fault. While reddit is dumb as hell, desperate reporters could have skimmed the SA thread for inaccurate accusatory pictures just as easily. They're much more readily available on Reddit though. Just go to /r/baselessaccusations or whatever and click likely looking pictures. To get horrible unsourced social media witch hunt pictures off SA involves finding the correct thread and digging through it page by page until you find something.
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hailthefish posted:They're much more readily available on Reddit though. Particularly since the Redditors were going outside of Reddit to harass the people in the pictures, etc. I would not be surprised if the NY Post received the "tip" directly from Reddit people, without the Post having to go out and search Reddit. Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Yeah I think the main distinction between the two was that SA people were scanning the pictures and talking about them for their own amusement whereas reddit was actively seeking out and contacting authorities with their every lead.
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COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:It's not like anyone on this forum was doing that Forwarding the pictures of innocent people to the media? No, I don't think anyone on this forum was doing that.
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Wario In Real Life posted:Yeah I think the main distinction between the two was that SA people were scanning the pictures and talking about them for their own amusement whereas reddit was actively seeking out and contacting authorities with their every lead. That and Reddit/4chan folks further detected some of their FB/Twitter accounts and harassed them there as well. I hit one of the FB links and the guy had left his profile public. It exploded with accusations. He's a 17 year old high school student. Felt really bad for him.
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the kawaiiest posted:Also Reddit is infinitely more popular and everyone knows about it. Well, child porn doesn't stick here.
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Chicken-and-egg, maybe, but law enforcement was looking that guys on the Post front page as POI, internally. Maybe they were found by the FBI/BPD because of Reddit, or they found them independently. Word leaked to the press that those two needed to be identified, and the Post and at least one local TV station in Houston ran with it and published/broadcast the pictures.
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Gibbons posted:Chicken-and-egg, maybe, but law enforcement was looking that guys on the Post front page as POI, internally. It's quite clear by the "damning evidence of suspect #2" that the FBI guys had their men pegged pretty early on.
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Wario In Real Life posted:This has never actually been confirmed. True, not confirmed. But the Houston station had a picture of them that Reddit had never seen. I guess they could've gotten it from some other private citizen.
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Wario In Real Life posted:Yeah I think the main distinction between the two was that SA people were scanning the pictures and talking about them for their own amusement whereas reddit was actively seeking out and contacting authorities with their every lead. Same with during the actual manhunt. Like I was listening to the scanner and reading the thread and following along on Google Maps all  and  . And while it was crazy how far behind the actual tv news was, I was glad that 99% of what we heard never got out because it was all false alarms. How many times did we hear "THEY GOT HIM" in the thread and it was nothing? Packages and open doors that never checked out, major SWATS that were fruitless, pulling over that cab, the old man and the robots? Not to mention stuff that was mispronounced, half heard, or turned out to be wrong like that the guy had a suicide vest.If everyone else out there had been hearing that unedited there would have been panic in the streets. There's a reason police don't release that poo poo to news organizations and a reason most news organizations don't roll with that info when they get it (because you know they all had guys listening to the same feeds we were). It was just way to confusing and crazy and not informed. And you know what? I am FINE with all that crazy info not getting out. Unlike some of these Redditors, who want to take that info and throw it out there and be pundits and heroes. I was glad I could listen for my own personal amusement, but I'm not a trained professional.
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So I ended up recording about 20 hours of police scanners the other night, and someone asked about sharing them, so I'm putting up what I have if anybody else wants to download it. I started recording at 11:30 PM MST and aside from missing a few minutes here and there during the first six hours because the scanners kept dying on me, it runs up to about 9:30 the next night. I also tossed in a few notes with time codes for when some of the stuff like "In-n-Out Real Quick" happened, but that stops when I left it to go to bed, so I don't know when perimeter lobster or robot orgy happens. Fletch generously offered to host it on his site, so you can either grab it from this link here or from Alluvion down below. Download torrent81 (1 file; 831.96 MB) View torrent stats
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and then if the FBI really never was looking to identify those two, that means the media took it all a step further than Reddit, making that erroneous claim when they really just found stuff on the web.
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Amos Moses posted:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombings-mbta-officer-condition-20130421,0,6889893.story quote:
There are three things Bostonians are arrogantly proud of: our sports teams, our seafood, and our hospitals. The last one, at least, is well-deserved. e: believe it or not, the hospital where this operation was performed (Mt Auburn) is not even considered one of the best in Boston! It is, however, the closest by, and the one where I was injected full of radioactive goo last fall and made to run on a treadmill so they could watch my heart literally glow. I even have a special card which I was supposed to show to the FBI in case I set of geiger counters at airports or around Cambridge! Petey fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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CaptainViolence posted:So I ended up recording about 20 hours of police scanners the other night, and someone asked about sharing them, so I'm putting up what I have if anybody else wants to download it. I started recording at 11:30 PM MST and aside from missing a few minutes here and there during the first six hours because the scanners kept dying on me, it runs up to about 9:30 the next night. I also tossed in a few notes with time codes for when some of the stuff like "In-n-Out Real Quick" happened, but that stops when I left it to go to bed, so I don't know when perimeter lobster or robot orgy happens. Does it have the post capture congratulations stuff?
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CaptainViolence posted:So I ended up recording about 20 hours of police scanners the other night, and someone asked about sharing them, so I'm putting up what I have if anybody else wants to download it. I started recording at 11:30 PM MST and aside from missing a few minutes here and there during the first six hours because the scanners kept dying on me, it runs up to about 9:30 the next night. I also tossed in a few notes with time codes for when some of the stuff like "In-n-Out Real Quick" happened, but that stops when I left it to go to bed, so I don't know when perimeter lobster or robot orgy happens. Thank you. I'm grabbing and can mirror as well if needed. Does anyone have earlier scanner traffic? I'm most interested in 10:20PM-1:00AM EST.
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There seems to be a lot of revisionism going on. First, the Sunil poo poo only exploded when supposedly his name was heard on the scanner. Reddit (and here) specifically forbid trying to post "evidence" that Sunil was involved. People here were referring to white hat as Sunil as if it were fact and I clearly remember one person being shouted down for daring to question this "fact" during the night. Second, at least when I was looking into it, the reddit mods were very specific to not post personal information and the goal was simply to try to pass leads over to the FBI. You can argue how helpful this was (who knows, honestly, we have no idea if anything reddit sent was actually followed up on by the FBI) but the people who crossed the line from "lets crowdsource image scanning and evidence gathering" to "lets accuse people of being bombers" was very clearly the New York Post not Reddit as a community. (There may have been individuals who crossed this line from Reddit too but I didn't see it personally.) There are a lot of people painting was good intentioned and ethically sound (but probably naive) internet detective-ry as "vigilantism" and "witch hunting" which clouds the reality that the real witch hunt was being done by the loving shitheads in the media taking photos and running them on the front page of newspapers. nebby fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Petey posted:Thank you. I'm grabbing and can mirror as well if needed. Does anyone have earlier scanner traffic? I'm most interested in 10:20PM-1:00AM EST. Yeah, we all want the shootout. Who has it? Most of us were asleep.
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demonachizer posted:Does it have the post capture congratulations stuff? Yeah, I've been looking for this as well! Such a wonderful moment.
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demonachizer posted:Does it have the post capture congratulations stuff? I think so, but I'm not super clear on when exactly that happened. I haven't had the chance to listen to the last file I recorded, but I started it at 9:30 AM MST and it ran for 12 hours, so it may actually have stuff unrelated to any of this. Somebody posted this soundcloud link toward the end of the last thread, but I'm not entirely sure when it comes in or how much it has, so maybe it has the beginning, I'm not sure. CaptainViolence fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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nebby posted:There seems to be a lot of revisionism going on. First, the Sunil poo poo only exploded when supposedly his name was heard on the scanner. It was never heard on the scanner. Alexis Madrigal has confirmed this. The first appearance is a random tweet by someone. I agree with you that reddit was not unique in this. The threads were fully in on the Tripathi train as well.
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TasmanianX posted:Yeah, we all want the shootout. Who has it? Most of us were asleep. I don't only want the shootout - I'm trying to figure out what the timeline was for the other crimes as well.
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Petey posted:It is, however, the closest by, and the one where I was injected full of radioactive goo last fall and made to run on a treadmill so they could watch my heart literally glow. I even have a special card which I was supposed to show to the FBI in case I set of geiger counters at airports or around Cambridge! This is awesome, I want to know more about this.
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Petey posted:It was never heard on the scanner. Alexis Madrigal has confirmed this. The first appearance is a random tweet by someone.
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Petey posted:I don't only want the shootout - I'm trying to figure out what the timeline was for the other crimes as well. Where are those dumb CNN 3D maps with tons of goofy time-stamped logos when we need them?
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I was at a kid's birthday party yesterday and happened to catch little snippets of a conversation between a few people who were so ignorant and misinformed on this whole thing, yet so confident in their explanations, it made my freakin' head spin. I mean, it was like "Czech Republic"-level ignorance. Point being, just wanted to thank you guys for being a consistent source of good, relevant information and (mostly) level-headed and well-informed discussion. I love this community. So thank you. Anyway, when do we get to see the Lord & Taylor video? Sounds like it's pretty damning footage, so does that mean that they keep it out of the public eye as long as possible, since it'll obviously be a key bit of evidence in the trial?
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nebby posted:There seems to be a lot of revisionism going on. First, the Sunil poo poo only exploded when supposedly his name was heard on the scanner. Reddit (and here) specifically forbid trying to post "evidence" that Sunil was involved. People here were referring to white hat as Sunil as if it were fact and I clearly remember one person being shouted down for daring to question this "fact" during the night. Yup, no way anyone could have predicted that the people publicly identified by Reddit as being mass murderers would get harassed. Nope, total shocker. Not inevitable at all.
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I thought the Sunil poo poo was incorrect up until I read people saying that they were mentioned on the scanner (I wasn't listening to the scanner at that point). Only then did I believe them, and I was pretty surprised by the sudden change to a bunch of chechens. On the other hand the whole family twitter-code thing was absolutely loving stupid.
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Lurdiak posted:Where are those dumb CNN 3D maps with tons of goofy time-stamped logos when we need them? I don't think CNN has figured out that it's over yet.
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How about the irony that their mother (I think? Some female relative anyways) was busted for stealing from Lord and Taylor, and that's the footage that busted them. Thats some  poo poo right there. Did Lord and Taylor frame them to get back at the mother?!
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I've updated the timeline of the last GBS thread through page 50 (which brings it up to about 5:30PM Eastern the day of the bombing). I'd appreciate any help in taking some smaller (25 page) chunks and summarizing major events with a) short descriptions, b) links to the first mention (be they Twitter or outside news if linked in the SA post, or the Something Awful post itself if nothing else), and c) the times of those mentions. Otherwise this probably won't be finished for another two weeks.
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Petey posted:It was never heard on the scanner. Alexis Madrigal has confirmed this. The first appearance is a random tweet by someone. I was always of the mindset that if you're gonna go through with a bombing, probably the last thing you want ahead of time is an organized missing persons search for you. That just seems a wee bit counter-productive.
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HackerJoeGuy posted:I was always of the mindset that if you're gonna go through with a bombing, probably the last thing you want ahead of time is an organized missing persons search for you. That just seems a wee bit counter-productive. But his family was switching their toiletries from travel size to full size!
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Godholio posted:Well, child porn doesn't stick here. My point was that it's more of a problem when Reddit does this kind of thing because it's an incredibly popular and well known site. So when they start posting photos of innocent people and calling them "suspects", or whatever, a lot more people are going to see it/spread it.
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