More Later posted:So far civilization hasn't crumbled. I'm anxiously waiting. Just wait, an oblivion gate is going to open any second
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What I don't get about all the French protesters is that France is universally recognized as the stereotypical Gayest Country. They are easily the most artsy-fartsy, hell I watched that Beatles documentary where they toured there and the band is confused because there's legions of screaming boys chasing them around instead of girls like everywhere else.
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May 29, 2013 17:39
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In the press conference they gave, one of the guys getting married is wearing a Captain America t-shirt. I consider that a good omen.
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May 29, 2013 17:53
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KernelSlanders posted:I don't think it's scheduled yet, but they have until May 31 when the session expires. Having tracked a bill through the legislative process in Illinois before (an unsuccessful attempt to repeal the 10-years for recording the cops beating someone law before the seventh circuit did it for them) the scheduling is really chaotic. The leaders in each house can basically call a vote when they feel like it -- or not at all. There's only two days left that means  C'mon Illinois, give us one more victory before the SCOTUS ruling.
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May 29, 2013 17:54
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Amused to Death posted:There's only two days left that means The Illinois House is the only body that needs to pass the bill before the 31st. The Senate already passed the bill in February, and I don't think the deadline applies to the governor signing the bill. There's still plenty of time. Swing State Victim fucked around with this message at 18:04 on May 29, 2013 |
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May 29, 2013 18:02
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Swing State Victim posted:The Illinois House is the only body that needs to pass the bill before the 31st. The Senate already passed the bill in February, and I don't think the deadline applies to the governor signing the bill. Correct, the governor has sixty days after it's passed by both houses.
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May 29, 2013 18:05
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Zero VGS posted:What I don't get about all the French protesters is that France is universally recognized as the stereotypical Gayest Country. They are easily the most artsy-fartsy, hell I watched that Beatles documentary where they toured there and the band is confused because there's legions of screaming boys chasing them around instead of girls like everywhere else. Shows how inaccurate most stereotypes are, unfortunately in this case. France has a lot of places where being gay is not accepted at all(rural/small town areas; the south-east/east). Paris elected twice an openly gay mayor though, so urban areas are more accepting in general. http://www.europe1.fr/France/Mariage-gay-un-village-peu-friendly-1533053/ This couple cannot find someone in their town to marry them, the mayors and his adjuncts are too "busy" to marry them, they have been threatened "We're going to beat you up". Here's a list of towns whose mayors or adjuncts say they won't obey the law and won't celebrate same sex marriages (if you click on the town names you'll have a quote from the mayor who says he or/and his adjunct and councilors won't celebrate same sex marriages) http://www.bfmtv.com/societe/carte-villes-mariage-homo-est-juge-indesirable-525076.html Examples: IVth arrondissement (district) of Marseilles (Dominique Tian) "I will celebrate these unions only if there is no parental plan behind them" Monclus (Daniel Bakalem) "Being against the law, I cannot apply it." (I'm not sure that's how laws work) Thorigné d'Anjou (Michel Villedey) "It's a question of freedom of conscience, I respect laws...unless they force me to adopt behaviors contrary to what my conscience tells me is good. I'm ready to go to jail" Pogny (Maurice Huet) "I'll have my adjunct do it for me, I've talked about it, it's okay. Anyway it's not even sure we'll have marriages of this kind here." Aulnay sur Marne (Therese Guy) "If the occasion presents itself, I won't do it.Morally it would be a problem for me" Montfermeil (Xavier Lemoine) "The country is going astray" One last for the road, in Paris of all places, the mayor of the Eighth Arrondissement of Paris François Lebel compares same sex marriage to incest and pedophilia and says he won't celebrate marriages "of this nature". Pretty crazy when you think that the mayor of Paris Bertrand Delanoe is openly gay.
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May 29, 2013 18:54
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Kurtofan posted:One last for the road, in Paris of all places, the mayor of the Eighth Arrondissement of Paris François Lebel compares same sex marriage to incest and pedophilia and says he won't celebrate marriages "of this nature". In Minneapolis our police chief is an openly gay woman. But I'm worried for some of the people I know in rural areas. There was a couple in the town I grew up in who both referred to each other as their wife, like ten years ago even, and people seemed to leave them alone. But I don't know if some jerks will get all up in arms and do something stupid when they have a wedding to make it official 
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May 29, 2013 19:20
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KernelSlanders posted:Correct, the governor has sixty days after it's passed by both houses. He's very supportive of the bill, so I imagine he'd sign ASAP after it passes.
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May 29, 2013 20:09
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I can respect the reasoning behind all of those French mayors' stances: refusal to honor a law you think is wrong isn't in itself wrong. The problem is that society then gets to judge you for your refusal. In these cases, if the mayors are unwilling to perform the duties laid out for them by law, then either the law needs to be changed or new mayors need to be found ASAP.
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May 29, 2013 20:37
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Grundulum posted:I can respect the reasoning behind all of those French mayors' stances: refusal to honor a law you think is wrong isn't in itself wrong. The problem is that society then gets to judge you for your refusal. In these cases, if the mayors are unwilling to perform the duties laid out for them by law, then either the law needs to be changed or new mayors need to be found ASAP.
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May 29, 2013 22:17
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quiggy posted:Here in Delaware things are looking grim. I just got my week's ration (a can of beans) from SorosCorp and am being sent down to work in the contraceptive mines again next week. Oh and I was forcibly gay married to a goat yesterday. France don't suffer the same fate as us, run while you still can! I'm not sure if you're joking or not (you probably are), but same-sex marriage is looking like a lock in France.
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May 30, 2013 00:00
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Narciss posted:I'm not sure if you're joking or not(you probably are), but same-sex marriage is looking like a lock in France.  What part of that has the slightest chance of being serious?
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cafel posted:
Well I do live in Delaware.
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May 30, 2013 00:55
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cafel posted:
He was hopefully talking just about the France part.
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May 30, 2013 01:10
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Nothing is more serious than the dangers of working the contraceptive mines.
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May 30, 2013 01:16
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 Michelle Bachmann isn't running for re-election next year! I don't care what anyone says, I will maintain forever that it was the gay marriage vote that drove her out of politics.
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May 30, 2013 01:22
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Lutha Mahtin posted:
That's what I told my dad today, that plus barely winning re-election in a solidly Republican district made her see the writing on the wall. I've been hearing that the SCOTUS Prop 8 decision could come as soon as this Tuesday (June 4). I thought both decisions were expected mid-to-late June, though?
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May 30, 2013 01:35
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katium posted:That's what I told my dad today, that plus barely winning re-election in a solidly Republican district made her see the writing on the wall. If theres a majority that the prop 8 proponents lack standing it could be a fairly easy opinion to write and might come out before the others. Where did you hear it was coming out Tuesday?
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May 30, 2013 02:37
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katium posted:I've been hearing that the SCOTUS Prop 8 decision could come as soon as this Tuesday (June 4). I thought both decisions were expected mid-to-late June, though? They could come as soon as June 4 and as late as the 2nd of july (or the 28th of june, if they take the 4th week off) rypakal fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 30, 2013 |
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May 30, 2013 02:38
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rypakal posted:They could come as soon as June 4 and as late as the 2nd of july (or the 28th of june, if they take the 4th weekend off) A positive ruling on Prop 8 on the 28th of June would be pretty amazing timing. Gay marriage for all to commemorate Stonewall!
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May 30, 2013 05:17
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France held its very first gay wedding. Police were there for protection. Somebody threw a smoke bomb in the city hall. Al Jazeera says the wedding happened "relatively peacefully."Al Jazeera posted:Two men have married each other in the southern French city of Montpellier in the first same-sex wedding in a country that has been rocked by protests against, and for, the reform. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/05/20135291785840754.html
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May 30, 2013 07:26
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Holy poo poo, this is amazing, but let me give you context: Bryan Fischer is the Director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association, an anti-gay conservative Christian group designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They have about $20,000,000 in revenue a year, and are a reasonably well-known group of right-wing crazies. What he said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnrIx5ehmdM Circular firing squad GO!
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May 30, 2013 11:16
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Excellent. May the evil serpent of bigotry consume its own tail until it is destroyed. Also, I wonder what would be a bigger shock to the Mormon population: acceptance and integration of same-sex marriage into Mormon practice, or a return to polygamy?
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May 30, 2013 14:29
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KernelSlanders posted:If theres a majority that the prop 8 proponents lack standing it could be a fairly easy opinion to write and might come out before the others. Where did you hear it was coming out Tuesday? I got the day wrong; it's actually Monday. From an LGBT rights organization I follow on Twitter: AmericanEqualRights @AFER 28 May No #prop8 decision today. Next time court could release is Mon 6/3. Sign up for breaking news updates: http://bit.ly/Prop8news #marriage4all
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May 30, 2013 15:02
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Kurtofan posted:I think there's supposed to be a portrait of the current president during marriages.
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May 30, 2013 15:06
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Michigan senator Rebekah Warren introduced legislation that would begin repeal of the state's gay marriage ban. Also, a new poll shows 56% of Californians support marriage equality, a record high.
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May 30, 2013 15:15
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Sweeney Tom posted:Michigan senator Rebekah Warren introduced legislation that would begin repeal of the state's gay marriage ban. The legislation would put the gay marriage ban up for public referendum but it requires 2/3 majority of both (Republican-held) houses to appear on the ballot. It has no chance of going anywhere and frankly while marriage equality has a favorable margin in Michigan now I'm not bullish about putting it up for a vote because there are plenty of bigots in the state who would come out to vote. It's political grandstanding but it does put it out there right around when the SC ruling is due out and makes Michigan's GOP seem out of touch with the changing nature of society. There is also at least one case challenging the state ban in Federal courts that is pending the SC decision. I don't see how it survives a judicial challenge in Federal court.
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Thanatosian posted:Holy poo poo, this is amazing, but let me give you context: Bryan Fischer is the Director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association, an anti-gay conservative Christian group designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They have about $20,000,000 in revenue a year, and are a reasonably well-known group of right-wing crazies. What he said: Bryan Fischer is a special kind of crazy. Among the (many) stupid things he's said, my favorite is his call to stone a killer whale to death. In the end, I don't think there will be much internal conflict between conservatives about same-sex marriage - it's too easy to just blame it on the same old bogeymen: the liberal media, the Democrats, secularists. In this case, however, that would actually be a true statement.
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Sweeney Tom posted:Also, a new poll shows 56% of Californians support marriage equality, a record high. I can't wait to see the end of the Prop 8 Error in this state 
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May 30, 2013 18:17
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I can't wait to see the end of the Prop 8 Error in this state That would certainly be great; lets hope that the Democrats have learned their lesson about trying to mobilize certain portions of the voting populace, and how that may backfire when you're attempting to advance social issues. 
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May 30, 2013 18:43
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 Chicago Phoenix's Facebook page posted:Although Rep. Greg Harris has not said he will call the marriage equality bill up for vote today, LGBT rights advocates and other supporters are assembling in the House gallery now. Pictured: Randy Hannig, Jr. of Equality Illinois (left) and Ed Yohnka of the ACLU of Illinois (right).
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Narciss posted:That would certainly be great; lets hope that the Democrats have learned their lesson about trying to mobilize certain portions of the voting populace, and how that may backfire when you're attempting to advance social issues. Eh the Prop 8 fiasco is complex. It had a lot of support by some very rich conservative agencies but I think a lot of people who were OK or pro gay marriage didnt vote because they assumed "it's california, it'll be fine so I don't have to vote".
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May 30, 2013 18:55
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Same sex marriage did not have majority support in 2008 and no campaign strategy or microtargeting was going to get around that.
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May 30, 2013 20:10
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From what I remember in 2008, it was leading for a while but then fell behind in October.
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May 30, 2013 20:14
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There are now multiple reports on Twitter from local reporters that a vote on same-sex marriage will take place tonight in the Illinois House. The House is in recess until 4pm Central time. This seems to be a livestream of the House floor.
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May 30, 2013 21:02
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Garrand posted:Nothing is more serious than the dangers of working the contraceptive mines. 16 condoms and what do we get?
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Wax Dynasty posted:There are now multiple reports on Twitter from local reporters that a vote on same-sex marriage will take place tonight in the Illinois House. The House is in recess until 4pm Central time. This seems to be a livestream of the House floor. Most of the activists went home for the night. There will be an 11AM rally in Springfield. I don't think any lobbying is necessary to call a vote. House has to work through the backlog or wait for the Gov. to call a special session.
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May 31, 2013 02:11
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They're adjourned until 9:30 AM CDT, and a vote is pretty much definitely happening at some point tomorrow (early on isn't ruled out).
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Sweeney Tom posted:They're adjourned until 9:30 AM CDT, and a vote is pretty much definitely happening at some point tomorrow (early on isn't ruled out). Last I heard Madigan was still trying to round up 60 votes. There are apparently some blue-dog districts downstate and he doesn't want to waste any of the war chest on primary challenges, so there's some complexity from the party's point of view. If he doesn't think he can get a majority plus a little cushion, he won't call the vote and risk losing it.
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