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Darkhold posted:Obviously everyone will have their own standards but there's a line between 'kinda a prick/troll' and 'crazy racist homophobe' Eh, that kind of thing is a major warning sign for me. If he were selling a finished product already, it wouldn't matter -- or, well, no more than (for example) I'm going to remember Spore and Sim City 5 whenever I think about buying a new Will Wright game. But for a kickstarter campaign? Yeeuuurgh. With kickstarter I'm basically gambling on the credibility of some random internet person that they'll do what they say after I give them my money. That's ok if it's something like Hex where they have a lot of institutional credibility and are clearly established professionals, and it's ok if it's something like Tinykeep where I'm basically throwing a dude ten bucks because his dreams are adorable, but . . yikes, that's some drama there.
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I took a look at Massive Chalice, to be honest, from the description, it more reminds me of the Elemental series than FFT and XCom. Civ style turn-based strategy game with tactical turn-based combat? That's pretty much Elemental's concept, though there are still plenty of differences between them, I'd be willing to bet it's closer to that than anything FFT. DMW45 fucked around with this message at 15:50 on May 31, 2013 |
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Darkhold posted:Obviously everyone will have their own standards but there's a line between 'kinda a prick/troll' and 'crazy racist homophobe' Gotta be honest all I have seen from TenNapel is the whole gay marriage thing which, while I disagree with him, I don't really care that he has that opinion in the context of do I want to buy his game. (Yes. I do want to buy it and I am backing.) On the other hand, in every context ever, I do care that this other guy literally held someone's personal details hostage. That seems to me to be worse in every measurable way that a guy who has a bad opinion and makes bad analogies to support it.
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Chairchucker posted:Gotta be honest all I have seen from TenNapel is the whole gay marriage thing which, while I disagree with him, I don't really care that he has that opinion in the context of do I want to buy his game. (Yes. I do want to buy it and I am backing.) this is literally the reddit "YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE ME FOR MY OPINIONS THAT'S CENSORSHIP"
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BenRGamer posted:I took a look at Massive Chalice, to be honest, from the description, it more reminds me of the Elemental series than FFT and XCom. Ffffffffffffucccckkkkkkkkkk That would really suck man
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Those links are pretty damning. And I'm starting to realize that I would have no problem donating to a person who's just a regular shrill loudmouth rear end in a top hat but I'm uncomfortable with the thought of giving money to a creep like Mecha.
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BenRGamer posted:Civ style turn-based strategy game with tactical turn-based combat? I don't know where you're getting that Civ style from. They specifically name XCOM, Fire Emblem and Crusader Kings II as comparisons.
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BenRGamer posted:I took a look at Massive Chalice, to be honest, from the description, it more reminds me of the Elemental series than FFT and XCom. Where do you get that from? There is nothing anywhere in the Kickstarter pitch to suggest a seperate strategic layer, and even the concept art gives support for the idea that your strategic decisions will be made from a central base/town and you just have a travel map style of movement from one battle to the next. Edit: I just know someone is going to call me out on the use of the word "layer" since they mention seperate "layers" in the pitch, even though we're talking about two different things. nessin fucked around with this message at 16:33 on May 31, 2013 |
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Der Shovel posted:I don't know where you're getting that Civ style from. They specifically name XCOM, Fire Emblem and Crusader Kings II as comparisons. Well, to be honest, there's very little information about the strategic gameplay at all, this is about it. quote:The game is structured into two main layers: strategy and tactics. In the strategy layer, you oversee your kingdom, arrange royal marriages, conduct research, and make the far-reaching decisions that will determine the fate of your legacy. I just took a look at turn-based and conduct research and thought Civ. I didn't say it'd be bad or anything, just that it was a similar concept. Medieval fantasy turn-based strategy game with tactical turn-based combat.
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There's base management and conducting research in X-Com you know.
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signalnoise posted:Ffffffffffffucccckkkkkkkkkk I'm not totally sure why this is a bad thing? I mean, Elemental is a mess but the biggest disappointment for me was always that it had a great concept buried underneath all the cruft. Just because DF is heading in the same general direction idea-wise doesn't mean they won't execute a whole of a lot better. I'm sure they'll go into more detail as the KS continues, anyway. Well, maybe they'll be some hubris because Broken Age had so few specifics and got well funded, but I think those guys are smart enough to see that the market's shifted a little. Mostly I funded because I don't want to disappoint Brad Muir. Look at that smile. 
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Accordion Man posted:There's base management and conducting research in X-Com you know. Strategy in X-Com isn't turn based, though. Ultimately, we need more info. Edit: The thing that got me was they kept touting it as a completely original idea for a genre and it immediately reminded me of Elemental after reading that the game was a layered strategy and tactical medieval fantasy game
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I have the feeling if they were going for a Master of Magic/Elemental style mix of 4x and tactics, they would have played up the 4x part in the Kickstarter, rather than the tactics part. I'm imagining the strategic part like the map/palace scenes in Dragon Force for the Saturn. I know I'll probably be let down, but it's fun to dream.
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BenRGamer posted:Strategy in X-Com isn't turn based, though. A new idea/genre for Doublefine, not a new idea for a genre in general.
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BenRGamer posted:Strategy in X-Com isn't turn based, though. I really doubt Double Fine would lie about this. They said it would be a tactical RPG with base and lineage management so I'd beleive them.
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BenRGamer posted:Strategy in X-Com isn't turn based, though. SupSuper fucked around with this message at 16:50 on May 31, 2013 |
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Francois Kofko posted:this is literally the reddit "YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE ME FOR MY OPINIONS THAT'S CENSORSHIP" ...no it's not even close to that, in that I am criticising him for his opinions?
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So apparently Xenonauts is coming to Early Access today since I just got my Steam activation key from Desura. They aren't quite finished yet but I remember having some fun with the alpha demo they released during the Kickstarter.
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Chairchucker posted:...no it's not even close to that, in that I am criticising him for his opinions? I really hate the Ku Klux Klan, but boy do they cook a mean dinner 
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The back and forth sniping stops. Now. How people spend their money in here is their business. Someone pointed out the guy's history, and now everyone can make an informed decision - end of story.
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Some additional Massive Chalice information shamelessly taken from reddit.Brad Muir wrote posted:I love Fire Emblem, but I feel like the perfectionist angle is a bit lost on me! I'm much more interested in the roguelike / XCOM feeling of dealing with an imperfect squad of characters. That's what the epic timeline is all about - due to aging and natural permadeath it's going to be difficult to make sure that you have a perfect squad for each battle. Brad Muir wrote posted:It's definitely a risk for us to take the game to Kickstarter so early! But we made the decision to do it so that we could get community feedback very early on. It feels really great to have people commenting on the early design so that we know it'll be something great! Also that's a lot of "  's".
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Wezlar posted:Shadowrun Returns comes out in the next couple weeks and I'm pretty excited for it. It's sort of funny to me though. If you kickstarted it you paid 15 bucks at least for the game. Now a year later I can preorder for 18 dollars, after seeing in depth gameplay, and knowing it has full Steam Workshop support. Yeah, this is crazy and I'm seeing it happen multiple times. I've decided to stop funding the bigger game companies who are using Kickstarter as nothing more than a 2-3 year preorder system to raise millions of dollars with little to no benefit to the people giving them a 2-3 year loan. If I'm taking a huge risk on them, I should be getting the game for at least half off what people will be able to buy it for on release day. I'm just going to stick with funding the smaller ones that actually NEED the money.
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BigFatFlyingBloke posted:Also that's a lot of " It's his natural face.  quote:due to aging and natural permadeath it's going to be difficult to make sure that you have a perfect squad for each battle. This sounds like a nightmare to balance properly. I hope it just doesn't turn into "oh, you know roguelikes are random, so".
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Comrade Flynn posted:Yeah, this is crazy and I'm seeing it happen multiple times. I've decided to stop funding the bigger game companies who are using Kickstarter as nothing more than a 2-3 year preorder system to raise millions of dollars with little to no benefit to the people giving them a 2-3 year loan. If I'm taking a huge risk on them, I should be getting the game for at least half off what people will be able to buy it for on release day.
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Infinitum posted:I really hate the Ku Klux Klan, but boy do they cook a mean dinner I got the refference  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ41liw74aY#t=2m26s
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There's a good bit more info about the Massive Chalice kickstarter, why it launched "early", etc. that you can read here. The short version is that they like the community feedback aspect of kickstarter, and they want the community to help shape the future of the game. Since they feel the core idea of Massive Chalice is solid enough, now is the right time to start soliciting that community feedback.
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torgo posted:I have the feeling if they were going for a Master of Magic/Elemental style mix of 4x and tactics, they would have played up the 4x part in the Kickstarter, rather than the tactics part. I'm imagining the strategic part like the map/palace scenes in Dragon Force for the Saturn. I know I'll probably be let down, but it's fun to dream. I missed the Worlds of Magic kickstarter. An actual attempt at a Master of Magic successor, and I missed it.  Harlock posted:The problem there is that most barrier of entry pledge levels are just a pre-order system. You don't get any real benefits or exclusivity without spending a bit more. The $30 Shadowrun level had the special ability and Doc Wagon or whatever. But even though with how much the game is going to cost $18-20, if they don't monetize it down the line, you paid a $10 premium for DLC. And you felt they deserved an extra  to make a game you wanted. I think I put $60 on Shadowrun and $100 on Wasteland 2 and while the rewards at those tiers will be nice, it's not like I picked them to get the most bang for my buck.
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BigFatFlyingBloke posted:Also that's a lot of " Brad Muir is an extremely jovial man.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I missed the Worlds of Magic kickstarter. An actual attempt at a Master of Magic successor, and I missed it. It's okay. It's can't not turn out poo poo. They're using D20 for unit stats and combat.
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seorin posted:There's a good bit more info about the Massive Chalice kickstarter, why it launched "early", etc. that you can read here. The short version is that they like the community feedback aspect of kickstarter, and they want the community to help shape the future of the game. Since they feel the core idea of Massive Chalice is solid enough, now is the right time to start soliciting that community feedback. I'mma need them to go into detail about the strategy layer before I can really feel comfortable backing it, to be honest.
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BenRGamer posted:I'mma need them to go into detail about the strategy layer before I can really feel comfortable backing it, to be honest. Yes. We've gathered.
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Take a look at this beautiful ship. Void Destroyer seems like a pretty cool game, albeit a bit unoriginal. I feel pretty obliged to post about it since it uses Ogre3D. It would be pretty awesome with multiplayer, which is a post-release goal.
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DancingPenguin posted:Take a look at this beautiful ship. Speaking of space ships... Fiction D posted:Some good friends of mine just started a project that I think would interest some of you on here that have a thing for blowing things up in deep space. Wow, this sure flew under the radar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A59mQBbUyQQ I personally love the style in this game, though if you're looking for gritty realistic brown & black look elsewhere. Tons of fast & flashy lights and colors and particles here. Build your own ship out of modules and jump into competitive 4v4 space battles. In general it's a much faster, arcadey space shooter, more akin to something like Star Fox than, say, EvE Online. Also, Oculus Rift cockpit mode!  (is amazon a suitable host to link an image from, or is that considered leeching?) quote:Oculus Rift is not ideal for every game because it completely replaces your vision. For a game with a character that moves and jumps, it can feel a bit awkward as the player is sitting in a chair. However the experience from GoD: Wingmen is within a cockpit, creating the perfect environment for simulation.
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Megazver posted:It's okay. It's can't not turn out poo poo. They're using D20 for unit stats and combat. Wait, really? And this isn't a DnD 3.5 or Pathfinder game? I mean, I've sunk god knows how many weekends playing both of those and while I love them they are the exact opposite of balanced, and don't actually work that well as computer game systems unless you change a lot because why the hell would anyone think that is a good idea. poo poo, as much as I dislike it 4e would have worked better for a balanced game system because it was designed with something resembling balance in mind.
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XboxPants posted:(is amazon a suitable host to link an image from, or is that considered leeching?) The latter, I'd think.
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MinionOfCthulhu posted:The latter, I'd think. Which is to say it's fine.
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DancingPenguin posted:Take a look at this beautiful ship. This looks kind of fun Homeworld / x3 mashed together. I also like thoes rock ship designs and that it is already in late alpha. Jumped in on the 20 buck beta access. Only thing that's iffy is the fps stuff. I dont want to have another Derek Smart Battlecruiser clone, although this guy dose not seem nearly  enough.Edit: Also this reward for god is hilarious,  goddamn 1000 dollars
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Shalinor posted:We don't really care about leeching anymore. Haven't for years. We'll hit you for leeching from some tiny site hosted on a gerbil exercise wheel, but 99.9% of the time, it doesn't matter anymore. Just to confirm, if I want to post an image from say the BBC or Giant Bomb or whatever I don't need to rehost on Imgur or the like? Is this just for Games or an SA wide policy? DancingPenguin posted:Take a look at this beautiful ship. Also man does this look pretty and enticing.
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