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Jefferoo posted:With global warming, cowardly world leaders, and the corruption of hacker culture with massive "tech startup" corporations such as Yahoo and Skype and Facebook, Pacifc Rim is a cry to band together as individuals and innovate in the face of the monstrous destruction of humanity at massive, seemingly organic corporations. As great minds and innovators get sucked up to the Kaiju hive mind to build idiotic luxuries for the upper middle class like Instagram and Vine, we need to be building the Jaegers of our time - green energy, ways to feed the world, ways to unite and end inter-species conflict. MANIFESTO OF FUTURISM 1. We want to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and rashness. 2. The essential elements of our poetry will be courage, audacity and revolt. 3. Literature has up to now magnified pensive immobility, ecstasy and slumber. We want to exalt movements of aggression, feverish sleeplessness, the double march, the perilous leap, the slap and the blow with the fist. 4. We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing automobile with its bonnet adorned with great tubes like serpents with explosive breath ... a roaring motor car which seems to run on machine-gun fire, is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace. 5. We want to sing the man at the wheel, the ideal axis of which crosses the earth, itself hurled along its orbit. 6. The poet must spend himself with warmth, glamour and prodigality to increase the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements. 7. Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man. 8. We are on the extreme promontory of the centuries! What is the use of looking behind at the moment when we must open the mysterious shutters of the impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We are already living in the absolute, since we have already created eternal, omnipresent speed. 9. We want to glorify war — the only cure for the world — militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman. 10. We want to demolish museums and libraries, fight morality, feminism and all opportunist and utilitarian cowardice. 11. We will sing of the great crowds agitated by work, pleasure and revolt; the multi-colored and polyphonic surf of revolutions in modern capitals: the nocturnal vibration of the arsenals and the workshops beneath their violent electric moons: the gluttonous railway stations devouring smoking serpents; factories suspended from the clouds by the thread of their smoke; bridges with the leap of gymnasts flung across the diabolic cutlery of sunny rivers: adventurous steamers sniffing the horizon; great-breasted locomotives, puffing on the rails like enormous steel horses with long tubes for bridle, and the gliding flight of aeroplanes whose propeller sounds like the flapping of a flag and the applause of enthusiastic crowds. It is in Italy that we are issuing this manifesto of ruinous and incendiary violence, by which we today are founding Futurism, because we want to deliver Italy from its gangrene of professors, archaeologists, tourist guides and antiquaries.
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Jul 18, 2013 05:49
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If there are any Rimmers in NYC looking to pick up all three currently available 7" action figures (Gipsy Danger, Crimson Typhoon, Knifehead,) the Grand Central branch of Midtown Comics has all three in stock for $21.99 each. Yeah, already blew my comic book budget to hell and back on them. Also, according to a salesman at the Broadway and 44th Street Toys R' Us (their flagship store of the city) they get regular shipments of the PR figures almost every morning, but they're all bought up by late afternoon, and this has been the situation ever since the past weekend.
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Jul 18, 2013 05:52
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I am dying here. This duel is everything I've ever dreamed of from a SuperMechagodzilla post. "To fight monsters we created monsters" indeed. 
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Jul 18, 2013 05:54
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PerrineClostermann posted:One was pregnant. The others aren't mentioned. Thus, we know at least that the Kaiju are capable of being female. At least, that's how I see it having caught on. That or they saw a seahorse on the way from the Rift and reported it back to the hivemind. 
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Jul 18, 2013 05:54
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I absolutely love that Jefferoo's heroic defense of Pacific Rim takes place amidst a bunch of posters egging each other on to buy action figures.
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Jul 18, 2013 05:55
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Everything that occurs in the film is metaphorical. It's a film - and one with blatant psychosexual imagery at that. Actually it's a film with blatant technocratic imagery. For example, the sword. It is a blatant endorsement of the hipster ideology, because hey, who the gently caress would use something like a sword from such an ancient and outdated time? Yet the very ideology of the hipster, taking old outdated tech, and reappropriating it, and building upon it for the new, is becoming more and more prominent. Mako, with her blue tinted hair and bookworm/gamer girl aesthetic - "61 drops in the simulator, 61 kills" - appropriates the ancient weapon and gives it new context at the time a new outlook is needed most, with massive success. While you may quote at me ancient Italian fascist texts at me, good sir, trying to indirectly accuse me of wanting to destroy feminism, I quote at you tech hero Gabe Newell; "George Lucas should have distributed the "source code" to Star Wars. Millions of fans would create their own movies and stories. Most of them would be terrible, but a few would be genius." In the world of Pacific Rim, the "source code" to Star Wars is the basics of how to build a Jaeger. Many nations would go on to create their own Jeagers. Most of them would be destroyed, but a few would save humanity in it's darkest hour. The time we live in now is a time where the "source code" to many technologies have been unleashed upon the wild, from Raspberry Pi to resources like GitHub, and with our collective ability, most of our innovations have been terrible, like the OUYA, but a few would be genius services to humanity. Jefferoo fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Jul 18, 2013 05:59
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Raserys posted:I am dying here. This duel is everything I've ever dreamed of from a SuperMechagodzilla post. "To fight monsters we created monsters" indeed. "We can either sit here and do nothing, or we can post something really stupid."
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Jul 18, 2013 05:59
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Personally I thought the movie was just something you would expect a 10-year old to make if you gave that ten-year old $200 million dollars. My entire interpretation of Pacific Rim is that it takes place inside a child's mind and I'm pretty sure there is nothing anyone can say that would change my mind
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Jul 18, 2013 06:02
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There's little other indication that the jagers are powered by psychological health. Since we don't know why they succeed, we don't know why they fail. (Was Cherno Alpha's crew just not vengeful enough?) I may be wildly off base, but this is my take on things. Cherno Alpha's pilots, in the absence of evidence stating otherwise, can be assumed to be in optimal condition, psychologically. However, even though the two co-pilots come together, it and Crimson Typhoon do not likewise come together. Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon fought as two individuals, whereas the two kaiju were fighting as a single team. In this way, both jaegers are overcome, and Striker Eureka follows soon after. When Gipsy Danger finally shows up, the two kaiju have split up and are no longer working together. The kaiju's goal is not simply to wreck poo poo or to destroy the jaegers, but to eliminate Newton. Since Otachi abandons the fight to persue the goal, Gipsy Danger is effectively fighting a divided enemy, rather than a single unit. Because of this, it can engage each kaiju separately and on equal terms. In this manner, it is victorious The final mission then involves Gipsy Danger and Striker Eureka working together. However, unlike Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon earlier, these two jaegers are able to fight as a team. Co-pilots Mori and Becket have developed a strong understanding not only of each other, but also with fellow pilots Hanson and Pentacost. It is this understanding that allows Gipsy Danger and Striker Eureka to hold out long enough to learn how to win from Newton and Herman (who have come to better understand each other), and ultimately finish the mission. Edit: oh Jesus this whole SMG vs Jefferoo thing happened when I was meticulously typing the post and I am just now catching up on it. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Jul 18, 2013 06:03
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SuperMechaGodzilla, did you at least like watching giant robots fight giant monsters? If not, go buy the action figures and make them fight. Kilo147 fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Jul 18, 2013 06:04
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Raserys posted:I am dying here. This duel is everything I've ever dreamed of from a SuperMechagodzilla post. "To fight monsters we created monsters" indeed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzCoCdIMIcI
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Jul 18, 2013 06:04
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Lots and lots of Holy moly.. can we just turn our brains off and enjoy giant robots punching monsters in the face? Does every film have to have meaning, a commentary on something, or a metaphor for the human condition? Is there no such thing as a film made to get you pumped and excited, to just have fun? Unrelated aside: Ferrinus, that's not a Bentusi harborship as your avatar is it?
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Jul 18, 2013 06:06
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Binary Badger posted:If there are any Rimmers in NYC looking to pick up all three currently available 7" action figures (Gipsy Danger, Crimson Typhoon, Knifehead,) the Grand Central branch of Midtown Comics has all three in stock for $21.99 each. Yeah, already blew my comic book budget to hell and back on them. amazon seems to have them direct from NECA
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Jul 18, 2013 06:07
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Febreeze posted:Any excuse to post my picture again. Also you just blew my mind. It fits on multiple levels too With the Jaeger being "dropped in" to the breach like a shot glass into a beer glass I am giggling at this. Giggling. And now there's some fighting going on and poo poo what just happened 
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Jul 18, 2013 06:08
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anthraciteDragon posted:Holy moly.. can we just turn our brains off and enjoy giant robots punching monsters in the face? Does every film have to have meaning, a commentary on something, or a metaphor for the human condition? Is there no such thing as a film made to get you pumped and excited, to just have fun? While I agree with you, especially for this film, this is the cinema discussion. Discussing deeper themes and meanings is kinda what happens here. There's not much discussion that can happen about "Wow that was cool"
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Jul 18, 2013 06:08
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jivjov posted:While I agree with you, especially for this film, this is the cinema discussion. Discussing deeper themes and meanings is kinda what happens here. There's not much discussion that can happen about "Wow that was cool" So we have Jefferoo the Jaeger vs SuperMechagodzilla as an actual Super Mecha Godzilla.
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Jul 18, 2013 06:11
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anthraciteDragon posted:Unrelated aside: Ferrinus, that's not a Bentusi harborship as your avatar is it? It is, yes! Homeworld 4 lyfe Jefferoo posted:While you may quote at me ancient Italian fascist texts at me, good sir, trying to indirectly accuse me of wanting to destroy feminism, I quote at you tech hero Gabe Newell; Tellingly, you haven't actually explained why we shouldn't believe that you're an Italian fascist who wants to destroy feminism. Your fetishization of vigorous motion and boundless increase and so forth seem to be right on the mark? Like, the cardinal mistake you're making here is, you think that you and SMG are offering conflicting readings of the film. But that doesn't have to be the case - Pacific Rim has tons of psychosexual imagery and tons of technocratic imagery. The Kaiju and their home dimension are a creepy, feminine other... which PR wants to conquer with capitalism, except a squeaky-clean hipster capitalism that isn't literally the exact same thing that caused climate change/Kaiju in the first place because ah erm heh well I'll explain that one later just pay attention to how spunky and gung ho we are.
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anthraciteDragon posted:Holy moly.. can we just turn our brains off and enjoy giant robots punching monsters in the face? Does every film have to have meaning, a commentary on something, or a metaphor for the human condition? Is there no such thing as a film made to get you pumped and excited, to just have fun? No. Pacific Rim is the cinematic version of Stacker Pentecost standing over you, screaming orders to call your friends and try to fix the world's problems with technology. The choice of giant murder robots as a center of the film is a very intentional one, because it draws upon the human glee derived from humanity building massive machines of destruction, the joy of massive works of machinery wreaking untold havoc upon massive foes. It seeks to connect this joy in building works bigger than yourself with your friends with the destruction of a mass so large, without clear definition or form, evolving in power, as a subconscious call to action to build the solutions to the problems of the world - regardless of how massive or terrifying they seem - global warming being a very prime and direct target. A friend joked that this movie could have ended with Al Gore running out with slideshows screaming this is An Inconvenient Truth 2 - but Pacific Rim is far more dire than that in it's message. It wants you to fight and destroy the monsters at our door, building massive technological works that can defeat the terrifying problems of the world, to cancel the apocalypse we have spent so long creating for ourselves. quote:Tellingly, you haven't actually explained why we shouldn't believe that you're an Italian fascist who wants to destroy feminism. Your fetishization of vigorous motion and boundless increase and so forth seem to be right on the mark? I could talk about how a mainstream, white centric feminist movement has decried this film without acknowledging the racial triumphs of a summer blockbuster where 2 out of 3 main characters are people of color, one of them a woman of color who accomplishes a great deal and is an inspiration to many young girls, if you want me to adorn that dark, dark cloak. See, the thing is, is that there's a massive difference between the Kaiju I'm arguing and the Kaiju SMG is arguing. Hacker culture isn't necessarily masculine in concept and in practice, it's been that way because of thousands of years of misogyny and a non-masculine group of men seeking to prove dominance over The Other, among another things - and the monolithic tech startups of Facebook and Vine and Instagram that suck up and consume the minds of men like Newt who dare to break the status quo isn't necessarily feminine - it's actually quite masculine, the physical, muscular Kaiju breaking into the cement womb to crush the nerdy, thin, glasses wearing Newt. I say that Pacific Rim isn't arguing for capitalism, it's arguing for a more socialist ideal - all coming together, all contributing, all building hand in hand. Everyone eats, everyone works, nobody in the PPDC is lesser than one another. In the gears of hard labor and building massive machinery, anything is possible. Jefferoo fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Jul 18, 2013 06:16
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Back from my second viewing. It was still great and fantastic. I don't understand the complaints that the human characters had no personality - to me, they did and the key point of the personality was that they were so extremely well-put and likeable. They didn't have much personality conflict, but I think, in a blockbuster, that's overrated. So, since a lot of posters have written how they think that the human characters are the weakest part of the film, I'd like to write a bit what I like about them. Just to provide one different perspective. Stacker: Stacker's not very touchy (literally). He doesn't like to share. He just doesn't see the sense. I think he's an introvert. At the same time, there is a profound sense of - respect, I think, is the word - from him. I got the feeling that he learnt Japanese for Mako's sake. He never tried to supplant her family, never tried to become her father, even though, de facto, he's one, never tried to make her forget. He lets people be, and arranges himself around them, unless their personalities really threaten to endanger his mission. That's great, in a leader. Mako: Mako is, after Stacker, another introvert. She also keeps her emotions close. I really enjoyed the scene when Rayleigh tells her they don't need to obey Stacker, and she states that it's not about obedience, it's about respect. By that time in the movie, we're not supposed to know that she's Stacker's foster daughter, so he (and the audience) probably thinks it's a cultural thing, because it does come off as very Japanese - but in reality, the respect between Stacker and her goes both ways. I liked it when I realised what the film did here. (I also enjoyed that scene because you see that Rayleigh struggles to understand what's going on, but in the end, he lets go and doesn't insist that she share. There's the respect again.) I like Mako when she lets go ("FOR MY FAMILY!" and at the end, when she hugs Beckett). But I also do like her when she chooses to keep her emotions to herself. I think we would have a good time discussing Jaeger statistics (...and pilots...) together while doing those highlights. Rayleigh: Rayleigh is the extravert on board. He's the most people-directed. The likeable thing is that he never tries to connect to others from a position of superiority. Rayleigh is the one character where the film could have gone so wrong, and where it didn't. It was so easy to make him "special". Instead, he freely admits that he essentially won the genetic lottery with being able to drift. He could be the always-proven-correct type, and then, even worse, smart-alecky aware of it. Throw in an American flag or two (or a hundred), and you would get the kind of a blockbuster character I hate. He isn't. Sure, the movie shows him being a great fighter, but you still don't get a sense of egotistical superiority from the character himself. That's reserved for Chuck. One interesting thing about Rayleigh are how Mako's almost first words to him are "you are reckless and endanger the lives of your crew", while his Big Hero Moment involves him jettisoning her escape pod before finishing the job. Since they were connected in the drift when she started losing oxygen, what was he experiencing? Did she slowly drift (heh) away from him? So when it comes to the main three characters, I think that's it: ultimately, they respect each other and make space for one another. It's likeable, for me. Then, there is Chuck, who is completely allowed to be courageous while personally abrasive, and Newt, who so wonderfully starts with "don't call me a doctor" and summarily starts throwing around his title when he needs it to get into a shelter (Ha. I'm a PhD in bioinformatics. I would probably do the same thing!). I think that multiple people above mentioned that Newt is basically R2D2 to Gottlieb's C3PO. Given how Pacific Rim is anime and not space opera, the similarities probably come from broader archetypes, but when I first saw Newt connecting himself with a humongous cable to random machinery, he really did remind me of R2D2. This was about the humans, but I can't resist adding one thing about the Jaegers. I was watching this film subtitled. That made me realise one thing. In English, craft are traditionally referred to as 'she', and so is, in this tradition, Gipsy Danger (though, interestingly, not e.g. Cherno Alpha). But 'robot' is grammatically masculine in my language (and Jaeger in German), so in the subtitles Gipsy was referred to as a 'he'. For some reason, between Gipsy's name, spoken lines referring to her as 'she' or 'the lady', Ellen McLain's voice and the snarky personality, my brain was constantly revolting against this. My brain insisted on assigning gender to a giant robot. This felt weird when I realised it. I wonder how the 'lady' lines were translated.
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Jul 18, 2013 06:17
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anthraciteDragon posted:Does every film have to have meaning, a commentary on something, or a metaphor for the human condition?
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Jul 18, 2013 06:21
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Part of the enthusiastic response to the film is because of how positive it is. Consider that the big blockbusters of late tend towards a deconstruction of their own text. The Dark Knight trilogy is about how Batman doesn't work as an actual person and that physical incarnation must be destroyed so that something purer can take its place. Man of Steel is all about ignoring all the "cheesy" aspects of the character and delivering a stark, brutal narrative about rejecting one's past in favor of one's adopted home. And of course explicitly postapocalyptic narratives get our attention by indulging our fantasies of what if the worst happens- "This Is The End", Hunger Games, all sorts of ugly stories about mankind pushed to the absolute brink with only the faintest redemption on the horizon. "Today we are cancelling the apocalypse!" isn't just a neat rallying cry. I think it's the film's ethos. It's saying gently caress all this negativity. gently caress the doomsaying. We can get out of the hole we're in- but it takes empathy, communication, harmony. That's what makes this film so refreshing. In the midst of a cynical age it says we can triumph. Honestly we've been starving for this.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:4. We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing automobile with its bonnet adorned with great tubes like serpents with explosive breath ... a roaring motor car which seems to run on machine-gun fire, is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace. Though Boccioni apparently reviled traditional sculpture, Unique Forms of Continuity in Space does resemble more realist works.[6] It is reminiscent of the classical Winged Victory of Samothrace, which Filippo Marinetti, founder of Futurism, declared was inferior in beauty to a roaring car.[7]  I've seen this sculpture in person. Exactly 100 years before Pacific Rim, Umberto Boccioni created the first Jaeger.
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 Pew pew pew! Elbow Rockets!  Roooooaaaaaaar! Acid spit! SWORD! Nuh uh! You can't use the sword yet! Yes I can! Then I get a Cat 5 Kaiju with a tail sword! Clank clank! I hit you! No you didn't! fin Kilo147 fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Jul 18, 2013 06:32
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Jefferoo posted:I could talk about how a mainstream, white centric feminist movement has decried this film without acknowledging the racial triumphs of a summer blockbuster where 2 out of 3 main characters are people of color, one of them a woman of color who accomplishes a great deal and is an inspiration to many young girls, if you want me to adorn that dark, dark cloak. Don't make me laugh. Pacific Rim's focus grouped generihero crowds out and marginalizes the woman of color who should've been the movie's main character. quote:See, the thing is, is that there's a massive difference between the Kaiju I'm arguing and the Kaiju SMG is arguing. Hacker culture isn't necessarily masculine in concept and in practice, it's been that way because of thousands of years of misogyny and a non-masculine group of men seeking to prove dominance over The Other, among another things - and the monolithic tech startups of Facebook and Vine and Instagram that suck up and consume the minds of men like Newt who dare to break the status quo isn't necessarily feminine - it's actually quite masculine, the physical, muscular Kaiju breaking into the cement womb to crush the nerdy, thin, glasses wearing Newt. I say that Pacific Rim isn't arguing for capitalism, it's arguing for a more socialist ideal - all coming together, all contributing, all building hand in hand. Everyone eats, everyone works, nobody in the PPDC is lesser than one another. In the gears of hard labor and building massive machinery, anything is possible. Not at all. Just as you say, "hacker" culture fancies itself a dynamic and revolutionary force that's going to revitalize humanity and change everything, but in reality it's an incestuous and self-congratulatory boys' club that uses its own rhetoric to blind itself to the basic structural problems it's inherited from the system that gave rise to it. Like, yes, absolutely, you and the movie lay claim to a socialist ideal... which will somehow magically arise from the fascist imperative to spin the wheels of capitalism as fast as hard as possible. Of course, that's not actually going to happen, and the CEO in an ironic t-shirt is just as toxic a figure as the CEO in a double-breasted suit, perhaps more so. I mean, honestly, who else sits there inventing increasingly fanciful geoengineering projects in the face of climate change rather than acknowledging that the problem is political?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
I'm still not certain your post wasn't some long elaborate troll or not. But half the movie was rampaging monsters within cities. Not 5 minutes. The other half was monsters rampaging in the ocean. There was so little dialogue in this movie, that I find it hard to believe anyone could actually critique it for anything other than what it was. Robots smashing monsters for two hours straight.
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Philthy posted:I'm still not certain your post wasn't some long elaborate troll or not. But half the movie was rampaging monsters within cities. Not 5 minutes. The other half was monsters rampaging in the ocean. There was so little dialogue in this movie, that I find it hard to believe anyone could actually critique it for anything other than what it was. Robots smashing monsters for two hours straight. There wasn't a lot of monsters in cities specifically. There's the opening attack, of which we only see the Golden Gate Bridge get knocked down, and then the one Hong Kong city fight. Everything else is in open ocean, in the harbor, or underwater. I guess you can count the news footage of Striker taking out the Kaiju in Sydney, but that's not a fight we're seeing 'in the moment'.
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Jul 18, 2013 06:52
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Ferrinus posted:I mean, honestly, who else sits there inventing increasingly fanciful geoengineering projects in the face of climate change rather than acknowledging that the problem is political? I know this was a rhetorical question, but the answer is nerds.
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Ferrinus posted:Don't make me laugh. Pacific Rim's focus grouped generihero crowds out and marginalizes the woman of color who should've been the movie's main character. I laugh at your assumption she isn't. Raliegh assumes at the end that all he has left is to push a button. It is technical malfunction that demands one final action sequence. They embrace as partners at the end. Her arc, her drawing of the sword screaming "for my family" is just as important and necessary to the survival of humanity. It is sadly not the final one. Pentecost also has a full arc. I'm not saying the film doesn't have problems, or is in any way perfect, and that there isn't legitimate criticisms to hold against it, but there is a massive problem with race and mainstream feminist criticism of the film - it is a huge progressive step. quote:Not at all. Just as you say, "hacker" culture fancies itself a dynamic and revolutionary force that's going to revitalize humanity and change everything, but in reality it's an incestuous and self-congratulatory boys' club that uses its own rhetoric to blind itself to the basic structural problems it's inherited from the system that gave rise to it. Like, yes, absolutely, you and the movie lay claim to a socialist ideal... which will somehow magically arise from the fascist imperative to spin the wheels of capitalism as fast as hard as possible. Of course, that's not actually going to happen, and the CEO in an ironic t-shirt is just as toxic a figure as the CEO in a double-breasted suit, perhaps more so. Pacific Rim outright acknowledges the problem is political, the entire storyline of the wall is about how ineffective the world's governments are to solve problems. Hacker culture is evolving, it's changing, there's more and more women in tech initiatives, women are making their voices louder and more clear. It's changing with the times. I already stated that the scene of Newt being hunted down and almost devoured by the Kaiju is an allegory for talent being devoured by CEOs in ironic t-shirts, so whatever you're trying to make me agree to, doesn't hold up. The capitalist greed presence in the film is Ron Perlman's character, who quite simply is - a fact of life, a reality, as scummy as they may be, they are a reality of our time, and are vastly different from the PPDC organization, which only works with, not a direct part of Hannibal Chau's company. Pacific Rim is not naive or foolish enough to advocate for violent communist revolution, as that is a fool's folly advocated for by those with the political mindset of children who think by simply using enough force, they can topple what stands in their way, the same mindset of the Cherno Alpha, a manifestation of Real Soviet Power which is violently destroyed by the State/Kaiju.
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Philthy posted:I'm still not certain your post wasn't some long elaborate troll or not. But half the movie was rampaging monsters within cities. Not 5 minutes. The other half was monsters rampaging in the ocean. There was so little dialogue in this movie, that I find it hard to believe anyone could actually critique it for anything other than what it was. Robots smashing monsters for two hours straight. I think SMG must be living on some kind of incomprehensible hyper-time, because SuperMechagodzilla posted:Imagine if the first 30-50 minutes of Speed Racer were devoted to explaining what a 'car' is, and why people were racing them. "I was fifteen when I saw the first speed race... They called them automobiles... Driving very quickly... We built them because horses were too slow..." Just interminably. That's Pacific Rim. in the movie I watched, this only took 5 minutes. 
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Renaissance Robot posted:I think SMG must be living on some kind of incomprehensible hyper-time, because If I recall correctly, it's 14 minutes from 'starfield' to title card. Still a far cry from an hour, but not quite 5 minutes.
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Renaissance Robot posted:in the movie I watched, this only took 5 minutes.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No other scene actually shows the psychological connection between pilot and machine in the same way that Mako's rage sprouts from the machine as a gleaming metallic phallus.
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7c Nickel posted:
"B-baka! So what if I'm a Mark 1?! It's not like I don't want you to get radiation poisoning or anything..."
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Undead Unicorn posted:SMG sat in the theater for ten consecutive screenings because he was wondering how the hell was he going to derive a facist message out of this opposed to something obvious like Battleship or Transformers to piss off nerds here. SMG is a Communist who doesn't want you to have things simply for being "things." He decrys Pacific Rim's message of abandoning the old tech for the new, claiming it an endorsement of capitalism, which fundamentally makes zero sense. Pentecost does not "buy" the Jaegers, what he's advocating is a denouncement of the Industrial Revolution and the massive technological innovation that has improved lives across the globe. As much as we love the old tech, and as strong as our attachment may be to the rustic aesthetic of Cherno Alpha, we must learn to move past it, to accept the Gipsy Dangers and the Coyote Tangos as necessary to move humanity forward as our problems grow in power and magnitude. The man hides himself in Zizek and ancient Italian fascist literature. He hates this film because it hates him, it is the Prometheus of SMG's time.
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After the snowy beach scene, I was like 'finally, the trailer is over and the real movie's starting!' Then it was like buhhhh.7thBatallion posted:SuperMechaGodzilla, did you at least like watching giant robots fight giant monsters? Not really. The monsters and robots don't have any personality, and are bad at representing what they are ostensibly supposed to. Gamera: Guardian of the Universe, for example, has much better monster battel action. Gyaos is a real hateful bastard of a monster, and the whole film looks beautiful - with clear daylight cinematography and a whole model city being destroyed in the final battle. In this film we only see some fishes die at the end, and there are (comparatively) only scattered glimpses of the kaiju throughout. I've watched nearly every Honda kaiju film, and I'd rank even the 'worst' of them higher than Pacific Rim. And this is coming from someone with high regard for Hellboy 2. Why can't I have a big awesome Jesus Moth as in Mothra? I fuckin love Mothra. The monsters and robots do look neat as concept art and dolls. It's a shame they don't really appear in the film. Maxwell Lord posted:"Today we are cancelling the apocalypse!" isn't just a neat rallying cry. I think it's the film's ethos. It's saying gently caress all this negativity. gently caress the doomsaying. We can get out of the hole we're in- but it takes empathy, communication, harmony. The problem is that this is when it translates into some sort of weird unix-based(???) neo-futurism or something, as in Jeferoo's posts. A big chunk of the enthusiasm in the thread centers around anti-intellectualism and purchasing dolls. What is it that's triumphing? In less problematic terms, what is good about harmony? What do you mean by 'harmony', ethically speaking? Philthy posted:I'm still not certain your post wasn't some long elaborate troll or not. But half the movie was rampaging monsters within cities. Not 5 minutes. The other half was monsters rampaging in the ocean. There was so little dialogue in this movie, that I find it hard to believe anyone could actually critique it for anything other than what it was. Robots smashing monsters for two hours straight. I'm talking scenes of citywide destruction outside the robot combat. The robots are there to defend the cities, but we are rarely shown the threat they're trying to counter. Kaijus almost never appear alone. They are only shown reacting to the robots.
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7c Nickel posted:
I swear to god if there is any MLP poo poo i might just murder someone. God I hate the internet sometimes.
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Jul 18, 2013 07:20
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:After the snowy beach scene, I was like 'finally, the trailer is over and the real movie's starting!' Then it was like buhhhh. So you don't want to play pacific rim? I just bought some toys too!
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Don't question the robot/monster bona fides of a poster named SuperMechaGodzilla.
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