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Miltank posted:Yeah Stacker was just trying to hold on to the jaeger program so he could be grand fuhrer of earth. That is why he personally went on a suicide mission and personally blew himself up in a nuclear blast. Do you think that princess Leia was just using the Rebel Alliance as puppets to gain control of the galaxy? Agreed, this movie really tries to impress that the characters are good and decent people. I really doubt that we're supposed to assume the worst of them at any point.
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Just saw this movie, I thought it was fuckin' fantastic. Let's just forget the other giant robot movie franchise and stick with this one. I really loved the soundtrack to this, whatever that main theme was, it was awesome.
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Flame112 posted:Just saw this movie, I thought it was fuckin' fantastic. Let's just forget the other giant robot movie franchise and stick with this one. I really loved the soundtrack to this, whatever that main theme was, it was awesome. Get the main theme on ITunes or whatever you use. It's loving amazing.
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Preechr posted:How are you guys making those? Photoshop? http://apps.warnerbros.com/pacificrim/designer/us/ This is what they are using.
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Preechr posted:How are you guys making those? Photoshop? Edit-- orrrrrr just follow the link in the post above mine! 
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7thBatallion posted:Get the main theme on ITunes or whatever you use. It's loving amazing. The entire soundtrack is actually pretty drat solid, check that poo poo out. Also not to try and attention whore or something but it seems like nobody saw my post on the last page  and I wouldn't want anybody to miss the news about the sequel.
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BattleCake posted:The entire soundtrack is actually pretty drat solid, check that poo poo out. The article just seemed like they were taking Del Toro speaking about his ideas for a possible sequel and construing that as another film being in the works.
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BattleCake posted:Sorry if this was mentioned earlier (let me know if it actually was and I'll remove this post) but I didn't see it anywhere in the last 2 pages: Maybe we get lucky and we get a Kaiju brain + human drift Kaiju-Jaeger hybrid thingie. Hotshot Kaiju brain and too old for this poo poo vet human. Then this whole fascist thing can be put to bed. I seriously pray a sequel comes to pass. I'd loving love it. 7thBatallion posted:Get the main theme on ITunes or whatever you use. It's loving amazing. No joke. I've been listening to the main theme nearly nonstop for the last 6 days and I'm not sick of it though I will probably drive myself mad. Gatts fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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The Nozzle posted:The article just seemed like they were taking Del Toro speaking about his ideas for a possible sequel and construing that as another film being in the works. Well the article says: quote:"He confirmed that Warner Bros. has allowed he and his team to start writing a sequel, which is currently being worked on. But upon reading it again I guess it just confirms that they got the green light to start writing, I guess that's not guarantee it will be given the go-ahead to become a movie, but I'm not that well versed in how the movie business works. Can anybody with more knowledge/experience chime in?
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I will get a shameful avatar/sig change if in the sequel they help to liberate the proletariat kaiju from their imperialist masters 
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I'd probably wait until an official "WB greenlights sequel production" statement or "WB confirms Pac Rim 2 for 2015" or some such before putting in hope. The international market and blu ray is probably be the deciding factor now so it's up to markets like China and Japan to pitch in for the cause. Come on humanity, pull this one off.
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I just realized another reason why the Marketing had issues. None of the characters in the movie get very sexualized. Raleigh doesn't have a shirt for a couple scenes but they don't dwell on it to hard for very long. One of the scenes is also about Mako looking at his scars as much as it might be female gaze. But Mako herself never gets "sexy" at all. The closest she gets is the training fight, but even then she's wearing baggy pants and a conservative tank top. Honestly, I love that about the film, but it might have caused some marketing issues. The marketers had no sex appeal to market at the masses. Megan Fox bending over the car in Transformers probably sold a lot of people on that movie. Scar-Jo in spandex was a noticeable marketed part of the Avengers. Hell even Man of Steel has a shot in the trailer of his big muscled chest lifting some heavy poo poo. The only boners this movie popped was Robot Boners. Roboners. Also Battle boners. Monster boners. And some nostalgia boners. But no boner boners.
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There is a slight element of truth in there in the sense that, anecdote though it is, my friend's girlfriend was surprised there wasn't even a kiss or that Raleigh and Mako didn't get together, my two buds were surprised but one liked the way it was.
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I realize this sounds jingoistic, but how much does the foreign markets really matter when it comes to justifying a sequel / new movie? Are there many movies that bomb (or underperform) domestically, but do amazing numbers internationally? Part of me can't shake the feeling that this is the newest incarnation of "Well the DVDs sold well"...
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Miltank posted:Yeah Stacker was just trying to hold on to the jaeger program so he could be grand fuhrer of earth. That is why he personally went on a suicide mission and personally blew himself up in a nuclear blast. Do you think that princess Leia was just using the Rebel Alliance as puppets to gain control of the galaxy? That is the mildly cynical kicker to Star Wars, yes. Leia is not deliberately using the rebels to become a cartoon hyperbole evil person, but is trying to get reinstated as princess. Does the world really need a princess - especially after we've seen the kingdom in Episode 1? See also the fact that Chewie and the droids do not recieve medals after being explicitly coded as minorities. The end of star wars has some nice chewy texture to it. Stacker and the gang likewise are not power-hungry madmen but are (however unwittingly) perpetuating an oppressive system. Even though their goal is 'saving lives', their focus on attacking symptoms (terrorist kaiju) instead of the real underlying problems (capitalism) means that their efforts are misguided and futile. Future-Romney is still president of America and, even if the resistance is a full-on rebellion, the kind of society they're creating is questionable. It seems like this is a very big recurring issue in the thread: reading these criticisms as very personal attacks against not only fans of the film but the characters as well! SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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MisterBibs posted:I realize this sounds jingoistic, but how much does the foreign markets really matter when it comes to justifying a sequel / new movie? Are there many movies that bomb (or underperform) domestically, but do amazing numbers internationally? Given that Hollywood is straight up adding additional scenes to certain movies for international release (Iron Man 3 was a big example of this), I would say that the international market is quite important.
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Zasze posted:
Edit: quote:Future-Romney is still president of America and, even if the resistance is a full-on rebellion, the kind of society they're creating is questionable. As for the PPDC not tackling issues such as corruption or capitalism - that's a bit outside of their remit isn't it? Jaegers might make for pretty awesome builders though (if they hadn't all been destroyed or decommissioned). Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That is the mildly cynical kicker to Star Wars, yes. Leia is not deliberately using the rebels to become a cartoon hyperbole evil person, but is trying to get reinstated as princess. Does the world really need a princess - especially after we've seen the kingsom in Episode 1? See also the fact that Chewie and the droids do not revive medals after being explicitly coded as minorities. The end of star wars has some nice chewy texture to it. Quick phone post. Capitalism is not the underlying problem in the movie. That is something a crazy person would say. The underlying problem of Pacific Rim is that titanic monsters are coming out of the pacific ocean, destroying cities and killing people. That is literally the most that Humans know about kaiju for the entire war up until the very end. The most we know for sure is that these aliens were being sent by something else and that they are coming faster and faster and soon we won't be able to stop them from killing all of humanity. You don't really seem like you understand the difference between "saving lives" and "saving all life on the planet." Miltank fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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I have to bite on this one:SuperMechagodzilla posted:Stacker and the gang likewise are not power-hungry madmen but are (however unwittingly) perpetuating an oppressive system. Even though their goal is 'saving lives', their focus on attacking symptoms (terrorist kaiju) instead of the real underlying problems (capitalism) Bwah? Pretty sure the Real Underlying Problem is the monster-spewing portal. The reason why they've attacked the symptoms (the monsters) over the Portal is because they've tried it before and it didn't work*. What does the governmental system have to do with the monster-spewing portal? Any sort of system would have birthed the industrial systems that caused Earth to re-appeal to the Monster Masters. * Hell, I found that a bit weird, plot-wise. The lines say they know stuff bounces off the portal when they've attacked it before. So their grand plan was to drop a robot-with-a-bomb into the portal? What did they think would happen this time that didn't before? e;fb. Darn it.
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7thBatallion posted:Yeah, Sea Dye is cool stuff. I've seen it in person and it's a wonderful green. Really useful in search and rescue operations. It's been around since at least the 70s. The dye itself is called fluorescin and you can buy it as a powder from just about any lab supplier. An extremely small amount of it will stain everything it touches, so be careful. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Even though their goal is 'saving lives', their focus on attacking symptoms (terrorist kaiju) instead of the real underlying problems (capitalism) means that their efforts are misguided and futile. What on earth? The entire basis of this particular thesis of yours is that Godzilla was an anticapitalist hero (something that would be great to back up with literally anything except your own speculation, btw). Godzilla was a product of an entirely different culture and entirely different time, and the fact that two movies are about giant monsters coming out of the ocean certainly does not mean that they're both meant to reflect the same cultural and societal mores. The Kaiju aren't remotely a symbol of capitalism; indeed if you want to go down that road the "socialist" response to them (building the walls) turns out to fail completely, in favor of the gang of scrappy individualists operating outside of a larger controlling construct. All of this is stupid, though, because the "Real Underlying Problems" that Stacker et al. have to deal with are Monsters Coming Out Of A Hole In The Ocean. They're effectively apolitical throughout the entire film because politics are stupid and don't get anything done, as was demonstrated by the wall sequence. Geez. Do you even think these things through or do you just kind of spout them onto the forums and hope people are too bewildered to respond? MisterBibs posted:* Hell, I found that a bit weird, plot-wise. The lines say they know stuff bounces off the portal when they've attacked it before. So their grand plan was to drop a robot-with-a-bomb into the portal? What did they think would happen this time that didn't before? Maybe Stacker's plan was to walk up to the portal and hold it open like a  while another Jaeger shoved in the bomb. 
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You see, this is one problem I have with Marxism- its followers tend to treat it as the Unified Field Theory of history, so that EVERYTHING bad that ever happened or that people ever did is down to capitalism and the ONLY solution to any of these problems is revolution. I mean, most conflicts are caused by haves vs. have-nots (though that broad distinction is not identical to "capitalism", a specific market system relying on agreed-upon currency and systems of investment and interest and return so that you can attain capital without actually making or doing anything useful, etc.) But there are also natural disasters and epidemics and other things which are not attributable to human systems of resource distribution.
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This has probably been mentioned before but holy christ Mako is a dead ringer for Mary Elizabeth Winstead.
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I think they tried nuking with missiles but hadn't yet tried having a jaeger cram one in. I also think that the plan was probably always a mission to send a whole jaeger down.
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Don't you see how it can indeed be applied to the prawns in D9? In both stories we have an other that we're shown the characters in the movie have contempt for, viewing them as unthinking worker drones. In D9 however you are more aware of what's going on and how that's the wrong assumption to make because of how they further characterize the prawns and you might start thinking about what triggers and causes their violent behavior. For instance we see the creatures aboard the space craft and we're told they had been living in abject squalor for god knows how long but rather than actually help them they're simply relocated, moved aside because they have no value, the technology on board that ship, that's valuable. What I feel like that is getting at is should we be surprised at their violent outbursts, when treated as if they are worthless unthinking drones? with any value we deem they have to be taken advantage of because we are smart enough to know how to utilize it and they're just dumb unthinking things, but keep your distance from them because they are brutish monsters. This sort of comes back to my point about Newt and drifting, he never actually gets to see humanity from the Kaiju Perspective, he always stops short of that and only gleans enough information to better help the war effort. The difference here is that Wikus did in fact 'drift' with the other, but didn't stop short, the end result being it changed him mind, body and soul. Also as many have mentioned earlier the Kaiju are both trivial and the sign of the apocalypse in the film, initially they herald our doom. We then fight back the menace with Jaegers and trivialize it, be sure to buy your Romeo Blue shoe and Kaiju toys! and yet again this changes when Kaiju start to actually fight back against the Jaegers and win, now we're back on track to the apocalypse.
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MisterBibs posted:I have to bite on this one: Gottleib believed that the increasing number of Kaiju would lead the portal to 'stabilise', therefore allowing them to drop a nuke down it.
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Lt. Danger posted:You're more than welcome to explain how Pacific Rim is a liberal narrative, or whatever narrative you think it is. I think the cultural lexicon associated with fascism hits most if not all parts of the film, but if there's another I'd like to hear it. I'll bite, and this will be my last post on the subject, since, as many posters have stated, the discussion has become circular. Humanism - to clarify, not the modern secular humanism that stands in opposition to religions, but classical humanism that emphasises the individual and collective agency of human beings, states that we have the right and responsibility for our lives, emphasises the positive ideology of belief in human nature, and makes understanding the way to freedom. Faced with an alien, incomprehensible danger, symbolised by 'monsters on our doorstep', humans don't surrender. They take risks, form plans, acknowledge mistakes, change plans accordingly, try again; they share experiences while remaining respectful of each other; ultimately, it takes a combination of both theory (Gottlieb) and experiment (Newt) - certainly not blind faith - to arrive at the correct solution. They don't shrink from violence, because violence is a part of the human condition - homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto - and there are conditions where it's justified (I mentioned the just war doctrine repeatedly). A considerable part of the 'fascist' reading hinged on the idea that the Kaiju (or their masters) should be made able by the film to be understood, communicated with, freed. But, well, organic weapons exist in real life! A good example are dogs trained to be people-aggressive, such as the dogs in concentration camps that were trained to kill escaping prisoners. We kill those. [The Kaiju are presented as even worse: while such dogs are animals with instincts warped by training (a genuine born-aggressive dog is a genetic freak), the Kaiju are constructed. It's possible that their constructors simply didn't put fear into their brains.] I think that it's, in fact, the film's inherent humanism that's so good about it - what people called 'optimism', 'lack of cynism', 'earnestness'. The film is sympathetic toward heroes who are essentially good people who do good things for good reasons. I think it's telling that the 'fascist' proponents in the thread have repeatedly equivocated in their statements, ignored the actual text of the film and used incomplete, ultimately meaningless definitions to push their narrative. That's because there just isn't much for them to work with. Now, Independence Day, let's say, that's been mentioned so many times in the thread... that one's fascist. As are, indeed, the majority of action movies. I think that it just makes Pacific Rim even more important as an example of 'how to do action movies'. As stated at the beginning, this was my last post on the topic.
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Milky Moor posted:Gottleib believed that the increasing number of Kaiju would lead the portal to 'stabilise', therefore allowing them to drop a nuke down it.  I had completely forgotten this line, but it makes so much sense. EDIT: Oh lord I'm going to pull an SMG here: the portal is a stylized vagina, slit-line. If it 'births' too many entities, it gets loose and stretched. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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The kaiju are Argentine ants, the Jaegers are myself, and ant powder is the Wall. Ant powder is a temporary move at best, it eventually fails, and needs to be rebuilt. They come from cracks (portals) and destroy food (people, cities) and if I don't do something, I'll lose it all. I'm using cockroach jars (shelters, moving inland) but that costs money and can only be used for things like sugar and other staples (the 1%) Eventually I have to nuke the portal (caulk) but they still come back (sequel) Kilo147 fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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Miltank posted:Capitalism is not the underlying problem in the movie. That is something a crazy person would say. As in Terminator, Man of Steel, The Matrix, ID4, etc., the world on 'the other side of the rift' in Pacific Rim is an apocalyptic vision of the liberal capitalist 'end of history'. In Terminator and Man of Steel, it is literally the future. Recall that at the end of Terminator 1, the defeat of the symptomatic robot does not stop the Cyberdyne corporation from creating Skynet. Terminator 3 goes further, saying that even defeating Cyberdyne will not prevent Skynet. The enemy in Terminator is capitalism as a whole, as the logic of Skynet is inherent to it. Pacific Rim is not dissimilar. The logic of the alien masters is already present in Earth, in nascent form. The kaiju-like jaegers are built by the richest nations in service of President Romney and some other masters in the 1%. While Stacker does eventually disregard their orders, he and the other protagonists don't really do anything about these underlying problems, doing nothing to prevent humanity from becoming like the aliens. Future conflict is inevitable.
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Kaedric posted:This has probably been mentioned before but holy christ Mako is a dead ringer for Mary Elizabeth Winstead. You're not the only one who thinks so:  (from this Tumblr)
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brawleh posted:Don't you see how it can indeed be applied to the prawns in D9? In both stories we have an other that we're shown the characters in the movie have contempt for, viewing them as unthinking worker drones. In D9 however you are more aware of what's going on and how that's the wrong assumption to make because of how they further characterize the prawns and you might start thinking about what triggers and causes their violent behavior. For instance we see the creatures aboard the space craft and we're told they had been living in abject squalor for god knows how long but rather than actually help them they're simply relocated, moved aside because they have no value, the technology on board that ship, that's valuable. You literally cannot loving compare pacific rim and D9. D9 is about aliens who are individually powerless non-threatening refuges on earth. They are pretty obviously analogous with humans. Kaiju are nothing like the prawns. Each individual Kaiju, literally every single one that humanity has come in contact with including their fetuses has attempted to kill as many humans as possible and to wreck as much of our poo poo as possible. It doesn't loving matter if the Kaiju are drones or not. They could be super geniuses for all the it matters ethically when they are trying to kill humans. Kaiju are shown as being trivialized in the past but if you remember that is a demonstration of humanity being foolish. Soon the Kaiju start getting bigger and more start showing up. Kaiju as they are represented in the actual movie are never shown as pitiful or non-threatening.
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MisterBibs posted:Hell, I found that a bit weird, plot-wise. The lines say they know stuff bounces off the portal when they've attacked it before. So their grand plan was to drop a robot-with-a-bomb into the portal? What did they think would happen this time that didn't before? Because they had estimated that at least two kaiju would be coming through at the same time, they reasoned the portal would temporarily be widened.
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Accidental double post, disregard.
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Isn't SuperMechaGodzilla's shtick overanalyzing stuff and coming up with a pretentious word salad? I thought it was all for comedic effect. Anyway, I've just watched Pacific Rim for the second time yesterday, caught it on an exclusive preview and I've made plans to watch it on 3D this coming weekend. Is there a Director's Cut coming out? Please say yes, and that I somehow missed that announcement skimming the last few pages.
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Kaedric posted:This has probably been mentioned before but holy christ Mako is a dead ringer for Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Fake edit: Daaamn, tumblr is really producing for this film.
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Kaedric posted:This has probably been mentioned before but holy christ Mako is a dead ringer for Mary Elizabeth Winstead. She's a dead ringer for...some white actress whose been in a bunch of lovely movies? At least that's what a google search gets me.
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How are u posted:She's a dead ringer for...some white actress whose been in a bunch of lovely movies? At least that's what a google search gets me. Honestly, despite the difference in race, yeah. It's weird. But Winstead has been in good movies too! Scott Pilgrim! Sky High! The Thing... had its moments!
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How are u posted:She's a dead ringer for...some white actress whose been in a bunch of lovely movies? At least that's what a google search gets me.
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Okay, so I think you're basing this on the single line where Newt says the aliens do a world-consuming thing where they use up all the resources and move on to another planet and that's why they're invading earth. How on does this make the Kaiju a "symptom" of anything being done by human leaders, and how would fighting against wasteful human leaders in any way stop the aliens from invading? If anything they'd want our planet even more. Becoming like the aliens and consuming everything on the planet would make us undesirable, avoiding conflict. I get your point about human overconsumption, that's great, but it has literally nothing to do with the film. It is entirely something you have injected for some reason. The closest nod to that concept that is actually shown is the ration cards in the wall-building scene, in which resource scarcity is a direct effect of the Kaiju. Did you go into this hoping it would be Captain Planet With Mechas or something? Why are you seeing this? Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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