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I am using my  tendency to make a reference sheet. I will try to have it done today.I think the text reads: Mereniel, Save us. Kill them. Xuriel
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Sogol posted:I am using my To be fair, it could just as easily be: Save them. Kill us. If the gods have grown stagnant and corrupt, it might be time for a cull.
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Sep 18, 2013 21:23
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I'm almost starting to wonder if we should ask "Are you my daddy?"
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Sep 18, 2013 21:28
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1.  2.  Ishamal and Jalitha. Not Bareen, because she is not trustworthy. Her actions do not coincide with what she preaches; she says magic is for all, and that the king hides this from man. Yet she fails to teach her followers the magic she had supposedly been taught and considers her divine duty to spread. Danal also has the same physical traits of a magician, yet he doesn't seem to know magic. She's full of poo poo, in my opinion.Jalitha is trustworthy obviously. She knows the most of our birth of anyone we know. She knows who our father is, likely, and we were never told. She only insists Shushem is not. It is time we knew. Ishamal is an enigma in this place. It would be easy to assume he is like the Mighty Men, but he is not. He is allowed to sit in place of the king, he is the oldest man in the city, and he lacks the extra fingers that those of the line of Labaras seem to possess. Yet he clearly has some divine power, having beaten the Asherah out of us. Ishamal is also cool with both the king and Bareen. We avoid petty factionalism by going to him, and we hopefully avoid becoming a pawn in a game between powers.
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Sep 18, 2013 21:34
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SerSpook posted:1. it is.
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Sep 18, 2013 22:25
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SerSpook posted:The best plan. 1. say "Thank You"2. Ishamal and Jalitha.
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Sep 18, 2013 22:37
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Voting closes in a few hours. We will update tonight.
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Sep 18, 2013 23:10
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1. B - Who are you? 2. A - ask Ishamal about our recurring dreams
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Sep 19, 2013 00:08
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SerSpook posted:1.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:16
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B. "Am I Mereniel?" If we're allowed Aussie style voting preferences, "who do I save"is my second preference if this is defeated. A. Ishamail because I'm sure mom will say "forget about it, sweetling, have seaweed cakes." I agree that we need to be more proactive and seeking out Bareen is not a horrible idea. We just want to talk to her. However, I don't think building up a network of street spies is worth it in the long run because I think the direction of the story will have important events take place outside the city.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:20
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SerSpook posted:1. Surely we must meet Mom's age requirement by now? Besides, we haven't really talked to her since we got to Zepath. Voting for this.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:24
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I want to have one last chat with Naomi, just so we can be bitter and resentful over our rival for an even longer period.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:30
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1. 2. Ishamal and Jalitha.Raserys posted:Surely we must meet Mom's age requirement by now? Besides, we haven't really talked to her since we got to Zepath. Voting for this. I assume she'll wait untill we're 16, as that is the "official" age at which we become adults.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:31
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1. 2. Ishamal and Jalitha.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:37
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Imperialist Dog posted:B. "Am I Mereniel?" Seconded.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:48
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Canuck-Errant posted:I want to have one last chat with Naomi, just so we can be bitter and resentful over our rival for an even longer period. Hah! Let's fuel Enkidel with even more teenage angst. 
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Sep 19, 2013 01:14
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1. A 2. B
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Sep 19, 2013 01:51
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LLSix posted:1. Sure, why not. Voting B and A as per above. On the subject of the red text analysis, I think that any attempt to draw a very firm conclusion on what the message there is at this point immensely premature. Given the words available, just about any combination of commands is possible, and there's nothing particularly pushing towards a particular combination. I mean, heck, there's a fair amount of assumption that the words are a demand to us, but how do we know that the "correct" combination isn't something like "Mereniel, save them. Xuriel, kill me", for instance? One thing that seems fairly clear, though, is why we got that text. In this dreamworld hazy-state, we voted for this: "N. Wait... Xuri... did it say..." Seems pretty clear in retrospect that what this ended up doing was analyzing and clarifying the "HUNGER" message from earlier, which manifests to us, the readers, in the form of all the hunger going away and leaving the message behind. Remember, folks, the hidden words were always in the HUNGER message - alert goons spotted a few when they first appeared. One thing to take away from this is that "Jonah/Snarls" is by no means necessarily "Xuriel" - we just happened to try and focus on a scrap of memory and thought involving Xuriel, and it doesn't necessarily have a drat thing to do with Jonah. Also, whatever the correct combination of words is, it seems like we can probably pin down Asherah as a tortured spirit one way or another - he's a being consumed entirely by hunger who can, apparently, form fragments of coherent thought, which no matter how they're combined is asking someone to either "Save me" or "Kill me" (unless Asherah uses caveman grammar, "Me kill them" and such). Whatever Asherah's true nature, it seems quite possible that he wasn't always consumed by hunger as he is now, and may have been just as much a thinking, sentient being as any other, one with apparently divine/daemonic power. And now all he consists of is essentially a black hole where his soul used to be. Tragic. Tomn fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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Sep 19, 2013 01:57
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Ok. Here is a reference document. I have made up some names for things that did not have them (e.g. Band of Xuriel). I have probably also made mistakes. You can PM me with edits, complaints and additions. If it is useful I will try to maintain and update it as we go. (I don't know how to do a wiki and not able/willing to take the time to learn just now. If it should be housed or published differently let me know.) https://www.dropbox.com/s/efey9bd94tn8lw5/Reference%20for%20UR.pdf Updated link with changes per Diogines. Will look for other Great Fish later. Sogol fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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Sep 19, 2013 02:29
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The other incarnation of Jonah/Snarls is Smis, who is known to protect beings from Asherah. So whether the Giant entity is El or Xuriel or someone else entirely he always manifests as a protector when we are on the Dream Plane.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:00
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Sogol, I read your writeup and I liked it. I won't comment on the accuracy of it, since it is your interpretation, some of it may be right, some of it may be wrong! I think it is likely useful to help people keep track of names! I applaud you for writing that! A few things I will comment on, since it was in things that were previously posted, not my interpretation etc. A few small things on the "Sky Pantheon" you wrote? This came up, but it was spread over a few posts, so it might of been overlooked. 1. They are pretty big, possibly giants. They do live in the sky, via the top of Mount Har. But Sky Giants is a name your mother made up to help you, a savage child in a backwater primitive society, understand. The men of the cities call them Melachim, and the most powerful ones, Ophanim. 2. El is not a Melachim. The men of Zepath are very clear on this point, that El is something entirely different than the Melachim and he is their creator. Bareens followers don't think he is a Melachim either, they just think he is made up. "Kinga" was a typo and one I thought I fixed? >< It is King, Kings, etc. Kinga is not a word special to our setting, or a real one. Rabitha was a typo I believe was fixed in all places. It is Rathal. You know that Barkof is the leader of the Mighty Men. Tudiya was previously. Barkof got the job when Tudiya became King, by winning a tournament held to fill the role. There was a list with a bunch of the other Great Fish, if you wanted to go track it down, others were listed.
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Cool. I will make the corrections. The hierarchy is: El>Ophanim>Melachim for the majority belief? Edit: El is the creator of Melachim, not Ophanim? I thought Melachim were humanoid heroes and Ophanim giant often winged figures? I guessed Sky Giants was informal since no one uses it. I will make clear that they are actually giagantic. Labaras' status is confusing to me. Do we know anything more specific about that? He is created after humans in Tudiyas creation story, but I can't quite sort how he relates to the Ophanim and Melachim. He is referred to once as a Land Giant. Any objections to other place holder names besides Kinga (which I kinda liked)? I looked for the fish names, but will go back. I know there is also another town that has some tension with Zepath, but I could not find it. I tried to keep interpretation to a minimum, but we know so little about some things it is impossible. Thanks for the feedback. Sogol fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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Sep 19, 2013 03:12
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Whatever details of Labaras, are whatever details you have so far. He was capable of fathering children and is both a man, the epitome of man and also somehow, more than a man. I leave it to you to decide if he was actually human or not. No objections to any placeholder names, they are up to you, I just wanted to clarify Kinga was a typo  .Your post will do a lot to help people keep track of names, thanks for the hard work Sogol 
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You feel a slobbery liquid upon your face and wake to an ECSTATIC Snarls Barkley! You are in your bed, Snarls is under the blanket, but his head is rested on your chest. As you open your eyes, he barks excitedly and leaps onto the floor then turns around several times in excitement! You lean up and place your feet on the floor then rub your eyes. You rub your eyes. Both of your arms are functioning fine. You feel a little groggy but otherwise, you do not feel any pain, maybe just a little stiffness, mostly in your right arm, but not all that much. Snarls Barkley runs out of the room. You go to a basin of water in the corner of room and look into it. There are no bruises or cuts on your face. You wash your face. Snarls returns a few moments later with Danal, who runs in behind him. You learn from Danal that the battle ended. A day has passed. Ishamal eventually came over and sent Lullaya running after he beat the hell out of you. You were totally awesome and brave to challenge Lullaya and Paebel and his friends think so too! Lullaya was never very nice to them either... And they really like how you helped them get the horns! They sold them. Paebel's father, a debt slave, is now a free man! You wanted to do that, right? 1. (Optional) As Danal tells you that the horns are not yours or Danals you think.... A. SON OF A BITCH! I got my face pounded in and we didn't even get one of the horns... B. Something else. Fill in. You ask Danal is Lullaya is in trouble. He shakes his head. "Lullaya got away okay." You ask if YOU are in trouble. Danal lets out a little laugh "Dad says he is only mad you lost." Danal grins at you. Well that does sound like Tudiya... You decide that you want to have a chat with Ishamal. 2. Do you bring Danal with you? A. Yes. B. No. You do not have a great deal of trouble finding him. Ishamal is in one of his favorite taverns, with some of his friends, drinking and singing. You approach them to talk.... 3. Do you want to talk to Ishamal alone, or do you want his friends here? A. Ishamal, alone. B. I don't care if his friends are here. Any questions you want to ask, ask. I had to travel today, sorry for the delay folks! I only have a little time now, but I will dive into your questions more, tomorrow afternoon, I may have time for a few tonight. Questions which are obviously inflamatory, I may ask for a mini vote for, to decide. Otherwise, just write your questions. Telling him things will require a vote or a mini vote, depending on what you want to say. If a bunch of you say you want to tell him something and there is no apparent opposition, we will skip any formal vote and you will just say it. Diogines fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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Diogines posted:Whatever details of Labaras, are whatever details you have so far. He was capable of fathering children and is both a man, the epitome of man and also somehow, more than a man. I leave it to you to decide if he was actually human or not. Ok, got it on the Melachim: " The Ophanim, the oldest and most powerful of the Melachim are the "Sky Giants" of your mothers stories, they are giants, winged, beautiful and greatly powerful. " So Melachim is the general category. Ophanim are a special case. Could you give an example of a named Melachim? Do we know one?
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Sep 19, 2013 03:32
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How is my face healed? I lost the fight, but feel unhurt.
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It does not seem that Danal is too upset about not getting a horn, and Paebel's father is now a free man. I am content with this result and, though we lost the fight, we are not seriously injured. This will further reinforce that something truly bizarre happened. Bring him. He is like a brother to us, and we should not hide such things from him. Though he is young and often foolish, he will not act out of malice. He may be able to corroborate our injuries being gone if it was thought we would be much more injured than we are. I trust Ishamal's friends, yes, but they do not need to know every little thing about us. This is a time for seriousness and, in addition to this, if Ishamal feels Danal should not be present, they can watch him. Perhaps he will learn some interesting swears? I want to ask Ishamal if he knows the name Mereniel. I want to explain to Ishamal what we saw as we went unconscious, as well as what we saw two years prior. Include the white voice on black text as well.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:37
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Sogol posted:Ok, got it on the Melachim: They are featured in various stories, but they are generally of less importance and lesser beings than their much more exciting eldest brothers and sisters. I am not aware of any named so far in the game.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:39
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1: B. We should feel proud. We held our own against a half-dozen older, bigger teens. And our actions played a key part in freeing another from a life of bondage. Come to think of it, it was only thru El's grace. We'd better pay him a proper tribute. 2: A. Bring Danal. He's our de-facto kid brother and may someday become our brother-in-law. 3: A.
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SerSpook posted:
Voting for this.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:44
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I too am down with Plan SerSpook
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Sep 19, 2013 03:45
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1. Ask Danal whose idea it was to sell the horns. And why? How much did they get? How are these sold, to who? Why was it worth so much? 2. Yeah bring Danal along. Make sure he knows it's confidential and nothing here gets mentioned elsewhere. 3. Ishamal alone. Danal selling the horns is something really unexpected and generous, we should find out if it was his idea or what. Encourage this kind of thing in the future.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:46
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I'd also like ask Ishamal if he has any left over beef from the minotaurs.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:53
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Ask danal if Paebel's father's owner is happy with the transaction or upset he lost a slave. Maybe he was one of his better slaves. 1B. "I'm glad Paebel's father is now a free man and Zepath is a better place because of it." 2A. Danal should know we're more than a simple slave-boy. We have some unique communication to higher beings. 3 SerSpook posted:
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Diogines posted:They are featured in various stories, but they are generally of less importance and lesser beings than their much more exciting eldest brothers and sisters. I am not aware of any named so far in the game. Updated the link. Thanks for the corrections. Fish later. SerSpook posted:
With the slight variation on 1-B to tell Danal that this was perfect and we are proud of him. Also, ask Ishamal about the Stars sigil and what that means.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:58
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Almost forgot to add that we should thank Ishamal for coming to help save our rear end and send Lullaya running.
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I am all for Ser Spooks questions. Also, some points for our Ishamal question session. 1. About the name Mereniel. 2. About all of our knock-out dream. Especially about who could be visiting us in our dream, e.g. Barkly. the white & black voice, the white & red voice. 3. How Tudiya would be able to know details of our village no one knew about (Sushem's name) 4. If Ishamal tries to dismiss our worries, explain that we can't accept that as an answer. This is a serious matter, and it is why we are asking him for advice. This is more serious than our first love affair. 5. Are there any religious stories of the end of the world or coming disasters? Religions tend to have those kind of stories.
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I'll vote more fully later, but I wanna get this out here right now: Be sure to ask Ishmael how the minotaur tasted.
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Sogol posted:With the slight variation on 1-B to tell Danal that this was perfect and we are proud of him. Do this Tomn posted:I'll vote more fully later, but I wanna get this out here right now: Be sure to ask Ishmael how the minotaur tasted. And this 2.  Why would we?3. Can we do both? Some things, like the minotaur joke and the stars questions are good for the group. We may get more of a straight answer about Mereniel and the storm stuff if we talk to him about them without others around. Ask Why did you and your friends fight separately from the rest of the men? Ask/request Can you teach us how to fight? Without getting knocked unconscious? This seems especially natural after losing one. LLSix fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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