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Cena will only turn heel if a)the company is hella desperate, b)Cena wants to. It's not bloody likely.
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So let a heel do it. Edit: in reference to the audience turning in whoever breaks the streak. Didn't realize how far back I was.
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Dec 4, 2013 22:08
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Cena will only turn heel if a)the company is hella desperate, b)Cena wants to. It's not bloody likely. I dunno, I could see both of those conditions being met in the next couple of years as Cena's body starts to really go and they realize they haven't made anyone that comes close to the next Cena.
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FishBulb posted:So let a heel do it. Damien Sandow will finally get his due!
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Gonz posted:I certainly apologize for posting. I'll avoid it in the future. That's all we ask.
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Dec 4, 2013 23:11
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Nick_326 posted:No idea if there's any truth to this, but I heard that in order to end the streak, three people need to sign off on it: Vince, Undertaker, and whoever is set to beat 'Taker. I also heard that at some point, Vince and 'Taker signed off on having Kane end the streak, but Kane declined. I remember when this first came up, it was soon declared to be a complete fabrication, but all these years later it still pops up as a thing (like that wrestlers' salaries list).
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Dec 4, 2013 23:23
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Jerusalem posted:I remember when this first came up, it was soon declared to be a complete fabrication, but all these years later it still pops up as a thing (like that wrestlers' salaries list). IF it was indeed true, it can't have been their first match at XIV, because The Streak wasn't a thing yet. They met again at XX, but even then, I don't think WWF/E had built up The Streak into a recognized accomplishment just yet. It may have been mentioned that UT had never lost at the event, but it wasn't pushed as a driving force for the match. The Streak became a real storyline device the next year, at XXI, when Randy Orton promised to end this 'winning streak' Undertaker had put together. Orton ending it may have held some weight, because Orton was up and coming, had the company behind him, and had the gimmick of Legend Killer. That didn't happen, though, and his match with UT ended up being just okay (with a great ending, however). Kane losing to UT at XX made more sense storyline-wise, since the match was set up by UT returning from being "Buried Alive" anyway. Even if you accept that Kane declined the victory, he was right to do so, as him winning wouldn't have really accomplished anything but extend his feud with UT to another boring UT/Kane match.
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flashy_mcflash posted:I hope at least one of those is replaced by "_______ should do MMA" for 2014. I deeply treasured the argument that Dan Severn was a better MMA fighter than Brock Lesnar because he had more fights, but that some fat guy with no martial arts training could easily beat either, and would love to see it recapitulated on a more regular basis.
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Dec 4, 2013 23:48
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Red posted:IF it was indeed true, it can't have been their first match at XIV, because The Streak wasn't a thing yet. The rumor was that one year, the WWE had intended for Kane to defeat The Undertaker to end the streak. Since Kane objected, they instead fed somebody else to Undertaker that year, and are continuing to push his winning streak for some sort of bigger payoff further down the line.
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I missed out on a few years of WWE, and am attempting to sort of review what I missed by watching the Big Four from 2003-2010. Are there any stand-out events that I should be watching in addition to these? Also, having watched Royal Rumble 2003 (The Night of the Belly-to-Belly), I had another question - has there ever been a Rumble where all of the contestants had been eliminated before the next person came out?
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Sprint posted:I missed out on a few years of WWE, and am attempting to sort of review what I missed by watching the Big Four from 2003-2010. Are there any stand-out events that I should be watching in addition to these? Don't miss Money in the Bank 2011, something pretty amazing happens.
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Jerusalem posted:Don't miss Money in the Bank 2011, something pretty amazing happens. That was the event that got me back into watching (well, actually the pipebomb). Once I heard that Punk was actually being given a serious run, my head exploded and I kept watching to see what would they would do with Punk and Bryan. It has been...disappointing. After that, I just kept seeing stuff like Bradshaw and Jamal were main eventers and John Cena was the top guy somehow, so I kinda wanted to see how all that stuff went down. Sprint fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 5, 2013 |
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Sprint posted:I missed out on a few years of WWE, and am attempting to sort of review what I missed by watching the Big Four from 2003-2010. Are there any stand-out events that I should be watching in addition to these? December To Dismember 06 No Way Out 04 Judgment Day 04 and 05 Vengeance 07
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Sprint posted:I missed out on a few years of WWE, and am attempting to sort of review what I missed by watching the Big Four from 2003-2010. Are there any stand-out events that I should be watching in addition to these? No Mercy 2008 is an excellent show.
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Sprint posted:That was the event that got me back into watching (well, actually the pipebomb). Once I heard that Punk was actually being given a serious run, my head exploded and I kept watching to see what would they would do with Punk and Bryan. It has been...disappointing. After that, I just kept seeing stuff like Bradshaw and Jamal were main eventers and John Cena was the top guy somehow, so I kinda wanted to see how all that stuff went down. Yeah it didn't turn out the way people might have liked, but it's still a pretty pivotal and exciting "moment" in WWE history, and definitely worth seeing and enjoying (which you obviously already have). Also make sure you check out New Year's Revolution from 2006. It's not a great show and the main event was pretty disappointing and frustrating but holy poo poo what happens at the end is still a loving incredible moment.
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I Before E posted:December To Dismember 06 What did he ever do to you?
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MassRafTer posted:No Mercy 2008 is an excellent show. Oh yeah, and No Mercy 2007 also had the pretty great Last Man Standing match between Orton and Triple H, even if how they got to that point in the show was pretty 
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I Before E posted:December To Dismember 06 This is the worst thing.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What did he ever do to you? At the very least, it is historically important.
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Sprint posted:Also, having watched Royal Rumble 2003 (The Night of the Belly-to-Belly), I had another question - has there ever been a Rumble where all of the contestants had been eliminated before the next person came out? I don't think there's a point where everyone is eliminated but the 2011 Royal Rumble is, I think, the best booked Rumble of the last ~15 years in that it goes through a number of phases where certain factions rule the ring and team up to eliminate people as soon as they enter. Even the Cena/Hornswoggle team is effective comedy.
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Dec 5, 2013 02:48
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Here's an odd question… Are the championships belt made differently these days? Perhaps more delicately? I've seen guys win titles and they hold them over their heads while they're still buckled. Or even when they're bringing titles to the ring with them, they're often over their shoulders already buckled. I just think it looks weird. It seems as though everyone is afraid of unbuckling the belt and actually holding it up or over their shoulder like a strap anymore.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Here's an odd question… No, the same belt maker they've used for years makes most of their belts.
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MassRafTer posted:No, the same belt maker they've used for years makes most of their belts. Then is there some other reason that anyone could figure out why nobody unbuckles the belts anymore? It's as if the straps are glued together.
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Maybe it's Vince being insane again, like when he decided no one could call them belts.
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MassRafTer posted:No, the same belt maker they've used for years makes most of their belts. He recommended against the new design, 'cause the diamonds are always falling out and shifting. So there's an action belt, which is used for belt bumps, and a hero belt, for close-ups. (At least I think that's what he said.)
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Survey derail/update: I've been super busy with work, and I haven't had much free time to put toward the wrestling survey. I still plan to get to it, but if anyone wants to take a look at the data before "eventually" I'd be happy to turn it over. Sorry to everyone who's been looking forward to the results.
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LividLiquid posted:When he was on Figure Four Daily, he said that the belts now are a lot more intricately designed, and therefore more fragile, so that might have something to do with it. He said the new WWE title is more delicate, mostly because so much of it is milled out, but that wouldn't have anything to do with keeping it buckled, more using it as a weapon. Milling out that much material leaves it prone to warping, so it's not as good to use as a weapon. It doesn't sound like there were any changes to how the belts were made, just in this one design. The other ones shouldn't have any issues. It's not like UFC where they are now getting belts from China. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Dec 5, 2013 |
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I'd add in New Year's Revolution and Vengeance from 2005 as the two bookends of the big Batista run, which were also the best matches and the former of which contains one of my favorite JR calls, and the first two One Night Stands are pretty good (although for the first you really need to find the PPV broadcast because the DVD has Enter Sandman pulled out).
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Dec 5, 2013 03:49
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So, I can extrapolate how American pro-wrestling is descended from the old traveling carnival shows from the turn of last century. Anyone know how and why it spread to Japan?
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Superstring posted:So, I can extrapolate how American pro-wrestling is descended from the old traveling carnival shows from the turn of last century. Anyone know how and why it spread to Japan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikid%C5%8Dzan
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Right around the turn of the century, a guy named Edward Barton-Wright returned from to England from Japan, where he'd spent a few years working as an engineer and studying jujutsu as a hobby. He founded a "Bartitsu" school and brought some Japanese grapplers to London to teach and to compete in spectator matches. One of them, Miyake, would go on to become a pro wrestler in his own right. He wrestled Ed Lewis and Jim Londos, among others. (I don't know if all his American matches were worked, but unless he had a huge physical disadvantage, I can't see him losing to Londos, who was not a shooter compared to men like Lewis.) Judo was established in England in the early 20s, and Japanese martial artists took an interest in Barton-Wright and his associates. That being said, the cultural influence of jujutsu on catch wrestling was mostly a one-way street for a long time. Professional wrestling didn't catch on in Japan until after WWII. Rikidozan debuted in 1951, the same year Barton-Wright died.
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So in light of the Sin Cara deal, are there any instances of replacing a guy in a gimmick like that and having it work or having the guy actually go on to bigger success using that gimmick over the original?
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Suben posted:So in light of the Sin Cara deal, are there any instances of replacing a guy in a gimmick like that and having it work or having the guy actually go on to bigger success using that gimmick over the original? Demolition Smash
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Suben posted:So in light of the Sin Cara deal, are there any instances of replacing a guy in a gimmick like that and having it work or having the guy actually go on to bigger success using that gimmick over the original? Well. Technically, the 2nd Max Moon did more than the original.
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Sprint posted:Also, having watched Royal Rumble 2003 (The Night of the Belly-to-Belly), I had another question - has there ever been a Rumble where all of the contestants had been eliminated before the next person came out? The closest would be Royal Rumble 1999. Austin chases McMahon out of the ring and neither is eliminated, but the ring is completely cleared. The ring fills up and Kane clears it before being chased off by men in white coats. The ring fills up again and Mabel clears it before being kidnapped by the Ministry. So it sort of happened, except Austin and McMahon were still part of the match. 2002 almost counts too, just for Maven eliminating Undertaker and Undertaker murdering him to the point that he couldn't compete in the match anymore.
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Gavok posted:2002 almost counts too, just for Maven eliminating Undertaker and Undertaker murdering him to the point that he couldn't compete in the match anymore. And before anybody says anything, Jericho acknowledged Maven hadn't been eliminated the next night and gave him a title shot.
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epitasis posted:I don't think there's a point where everyone is eliminated but the 2011 Royal Rumble is, I think, the best booked Rumble of the last ~15 years in that it goes through a number of phases where certain factions rule the ring and team up to eliminate people as soon as they enter. Even the Cena/Hornswoggle team is effective comedy. 2011 is nearly unwatchable thanks to the commentary.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:2011 is nearly unwatchable thanks to the commentary. I like that you didn't include "Royal Rumble" in your post because it's still true.
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Jerusalem posted:And before anybody says anything, Jericho acknowledged Maven hadn't been eliminated the next night and gave him a title shot. Poor Spike Dudley didn't even get that. 
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A different and obviously different guy playing Sin Cara every week would be pretty amusing.
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