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No one who studies evolution seriously considers The Origin of Species a prophetic text that contains ultimate truth. It is a science publication with testable hypotheses and observations. Equally important, the differences between the two events he mentions make them entirely unrelated to his point. The Sacred Constitution dictates what the government does, so it applies to the withholding of federal and state benefits to gay marriage, yet has no bearing at all on a private organization's business decisions (suspending a very public employee for hurtful speech). Horsey is such an idiot sometimes.
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That's not the point. He's saying that making the debate about Bible and about Christian values :usa: is irrelevant to the real nature of the issue, which is political, and must be led within boundaries of what is acceptable as political in a liberal democracy. You may argue that he is missing the point because the Duck guy was just stating his opinion without an intention to fall into the political framework, but a counterargument to that would be that the underlying issue is the worrying equivalence of law and religiousness prevalent in Conservative discourse. To tie Darwin into the problem: The liberals are mistaken to accept the Conservative line of argument by responding to it. They shouldn't focus on the validity and interpretation of Biblical statements (for which evolution - and Darwin as a shorthand - is a powerful symbol), they should stay firmly inside the bastion of civil liberties and protect it from the erosion that comes with religious arguments. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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steinrokkan posted:That's not the point. He's saying that making the debate about Bible and about Christian values :usa: is irrelevant to the real nature of the issue, which is political, and must be led within boundaries of what is acceptable as political in a liberal democracy. Yeah, maybe that wasn't the best part of his opinion piece to cite, but this is basically his point. Whether the Duck Dynasty guy is right about what the Bible said and whether the gay straw-man is right about Origin of the Species isn't particularly relevant. Our rights as Americans are defined by the Constitution, and those rights include the rights of gays to marry and the right of Phil Robertson to complain about it (and the right of A&E to do whatever it wants to Robertson).
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Stultus Maximus posted:I think his mind has found a new track to relentlessly make non jokes on
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seiferguy posted:The Stranger, the mega-liberal newspaper from Seattle, gave Ted Rall (and others) advice on being called a racist: Nothing proves you're a racist like denying you're a racist.
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StarMagician posted:Nothing proves you're a racist like denying you're a racist.
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It's perfectly accurate to say that denying you're a racist is irrelevant to whether or not you actually are racist. Lots of people that hold bigoted views claim that they're not racist simply because they're not literal white supremacists. That or they're just lying.
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StarMagician posted:Nothing proves you're a racist like denying you're a racist. Have you ever seen anything useful or non-racist follow the statement, "I'm not a racist, but..."?
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Eschers Basement posted:Have you ever seen anything useful or non-racist follow the statement, "I'm not a racist, but..."? I've left joke letters to a jackass roomate before to the tune of "Hey Jack, totally not racist but we ran out of milk, gonna go pick up some more." He's long since moved out without paying his rent, soooo.
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Most of the caricatures are pretty bad. I do kind of like the Kerry one, but Kerry is easy to caricature. I would have added Ford ("There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe").
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Silver2195 posted:Most of the caricatures are pretty bad. I do kind of like the Kerry one, but Kerry is easy to caricature. Is it the cartoonists who doubt themselves or do they know how stupid their readers are? I mean I'm not even from the US and I didn't need the loving kerry 4 prez shirt.
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One thing I'm surprised about is that none of the rogue's gallery of cartoonists here covered Kshama Sawant (the actual Socialist elected for Seattle's city council). I was expecting an army of cartoons cowering in fear over her and the Soviet menace  , but I guess she's too local and obscure even for them.
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I just noticed goatee Obama is holding a bloody clothes hanger.
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Internet Webguy posted:I just noticed goatee Obama is holding a bloody clothes hanger. I guess points for proper display of a head mirror.
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And wearing a head mirror correctly! e: beaten <  >
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StarMagician posted:Nothing proves you're a racist like denying you're a racist. This post made me check and it looks like @YesYoureRacist is back on the air! 
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Abyssal Squid posted:Adding this one to the list! I sincerely thought it was an edit at first, because I didn't remember the red text up there. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...mpaign=20140106
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Any idea what study this is referring to? edit: maybe I'm giving it too much credit assuming it is referring to ANY study, even an awful one. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Looking forward to these continuing into 2015, as well.
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Benghazi death toll still rising, 483 days later. Will the mounting pile of human corpses and also abstract concepts ever be contained? Worst terrorist attack in history thanks to a chuckling Muslim Obama. No noun is safe
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By the way, Benghazi was really bad, I don't know if y'all remember, okay peace -mikey r
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I guess there's going to be 6 lights shining into the Benghazi skies now! I hate that this was the first thing to pop into my head when I saw that cartoon.
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I haven't had a chance to sit down and read through the NYT article but has there been any real rebuttal to it? I mean, besides the Right saying it only exists to help prop up Hillary in 2016. Have there been any valid critiques of it? EDIT: I forgot which thread this was. It's probably not best to fill up the PoliToon thread with a discussion.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Any idea what study this is referring to? VVVVV Right, that. I just seem to remember "16 years" being a specific reference to a right-wing sea ice talking point. hexwren fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Allen Wren posted:I want to say that there was a talking point from misinterpretation of actual studies of "Most sea ice in 16 years, suck it libs!" from last year and then they just ran it through the talking point izer again, adding a generation of fuzz on top, like a bad VHS copy---from "if sea ice, then why climate change" to "no change, suck it some more" (and added another year on top because 2014 isn't 2013.) 
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It isn't just random Ramirez being Ramirez, but rather some source the NYT got about Benghazi. I don't know the details because I'm not obsessed with Benghazi.
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Wow, not a single drone. I'm impressed. Can't quite tell what the message is, though. My first instinct is that it's opposed to the plastic bag ban because Rall is a shrill contrarian who hates everything that isn't his own glorious Rallvolution. But I dunno we could also be sympathizing with the cashier here.
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 I don't know what's supposed to be going on in the first one. Who is that supposed to be in panel 3? And surely your kids will be mooching off the same billionaire grandparent that you've been mooching off your entire lives?
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Samurai Sanders posted:Any idea what study this is referring to? If you go off solely land temperature measurements, there's been no statistically significant warming in 17 years. Because all the heat's been going into the ocean.
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Begemot posted:Wow, not a single drone. I'm impressed. I think the cashier is saying "shove your groceries up your rear end." The correct answer is, of course, paper bags or reuseable bags, as someone who knew even the tiniest, most miniscule bit about the issue would know already. This is Mallard Fillmore-level ignorance.
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Quantum Mechanic posted:If you go off solely land temperature measurements, there's been no statistically significant warming in 17 years. 
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Supersonic Shine posted:I guess there's going to be 6 lights shining into the Benghazi skies now! The "best" part is that he's already made two graveyard cartoons already.   As a bonus, here's a mini-collection of some Ramirez Benghazi cartoons. There are lots more that mention Benghazi, but I stuck with ones that had it as the main subject, as listing every cartoon of his that included Benghazi would take hours.  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
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Exactly. I've honest to god had someone argue that heat can't be going into the ocean because "the ocean's still cold."
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Samurai Sanders posted:Any idea what study this is referring to? There was a hot year 17 years ago so until every year is consistently hotter than that single anomalous year, global warming is over. Until we get another really hot year, then that is the new benchmark.
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