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Rorus Raz posted:It's something of a recent tradition for Tinsley to take Martin Luther King Jr. Day as a opportunity to be smugly racist. He'll intentionally not mention it, and then do a cartoon the following day where ducky answers an angry letter about why Tinsley didn't mention...Squirrel Appreciation Day! Ho ho, Tinsley, you are so clever. Unless some time travel was involved those are both the 2013 cartoon.
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My prediction: It's going to be another "New Years Prediction" thing, but this being Mallard Fillmore, he'll incorporate "Squirrel Appreciation Day!" awkwardly somewhere. Maybe it will involve Kim Jung Un's uncle, for all we know.
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Yeah I fixed it. Also, I have never heard Nye talk about nuclear power, whereas I've seen him talk about global warming and evolution a lot. Not the worst flaw to have unless he's pumping a lot of money into anti-nuclear lobbying behind the scenes.
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visceril posted:Whatever I can understand being wary of nuclear and even being alarmist about it. By this logic I'd be valid to say because private industries cut corners all those windmill blades will be fixed on with gum and double stick tape and are prone to go flying off any minute now. edit: Reminder Bill Nye also is in the "The Fukishima meltdown will kill us all" camp, he's legit dumb as poo poo about nuclear power, you can be smart about one thing and dumb about another.
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Jan 17, 2014 20:46
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rjryan3 posted:/\ More excellent points on why Bill Nye isn't an idiot for being anti-nuclear. When they justify their arguments using false science then yes it is a problem.
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Jan 17, 2014 20:46
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Rorus Raz posted:2012 Holy poo poo how was he not fired immediately. "I'm not racist" *compares black people to rodents*
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Holy poo poo how was he not fired immediately. Tinsley is a huamn shitstain that unfortunatly still gets work so that the paper can print it next to Doonesbury and pretend to be balanced.
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Besides, that's not as bad as his "national conversation on race? let's start with the knockout game" comic.
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Jan 17, 2014 21:00
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Tatum Girlparts posted:By this logic I'd be valid to say because private industries cut corners all those windmill blades will be fixed on with gum and double stick tape and are prone to go flying off any minute now. Irradiation posted:When they justify their arguments using false science then yes it is a problem. Can you provide source for these claims? Because unless I see evidence it just sounds like you two are just upset that Bill Nye doesn't recognize the "brilliance of nuclear power".
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Holy poo poo how was he not fired immediately. bunnyofdoom posted:Tinsley is a huamn shitstain that unfortunatly still gets work so that the paper can print it next to Doonesbury and pretend to be balanced. Also, Tinsley is, technically, self-employed. How many self-employed people fire themselves?
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rjryan3 posted:Can you provide source for these claims? Because unless I see evidence it just sounds like you two are just upset that Bill Nye doesn't recognize the "brilliance of nuclear power". No they're right the Fukushima fallout has been way overblown and the people that are freaking out about it are either yellow journalists or people who aren't listening to the science or don't understand the science. I do think nuclear power is long-term better than coal and oil...but solar and wind are better still. It takes way less capital to set up the latter than the former. On top of that, R&D into improving wind and solar is way cheaper/more fruitful than R&D to improve the safety/yield of nuclear. And of course, there's the fact that you don't have to mine solar or wind energy, and while blades can gently caress with birds they can't poison water, give you cancer, etc.
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Jan 17, 2014 21:07
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rjryan3 posted:Can you provide source for these claims? Because unless I see evidence it just sounds like you two are just upset that Bill Nye doesn't recognize the "brilliance of nuclear power".
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bunnyofdoom posted:Tinsley is a huamn shitstain that unfortunatly still gets work so that the paper can print it next to Doonesbury and pretend to be balanced. Sounds like some liberal Fairness Doctrine hooey to me. Of course, it's only bad when they want more liberal views expressed, making sure conservative comics are in there is just logical.  1Bill Day, is that you?  2Which is why we still have a drone program. Your point?  3That dirty French sexhaver!  4Poor Joe Biden. No respect, I tells ya...  5Do any of these cartoonists realize that young people can only sign up between 26 and 30? (I know the answer to that.)  6This got a 5 star rating on Cagle's site.
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visceril posted:And of course, there's the fact that you don't have to mine solar or wind energy, and while blades can gently caress with birds they can't poison water, give you cancer, etc. I realize that the windmills-killing-birds thing is never really brought up except as a concern troll (as evidenced by the fact that both Asay, who is among other things a big-oil fanboy, and McMillan, the primitivist who hates all forms of energy, have made cartoons about it), but is there any reason why we couldn't take the same approach to them we take with swivel fans and surround the turbine with a grate? Would that lower the efficiency too much to make them feasible?
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Rorus Raz posted:It's something of a recent tradition for Tinsley to take Martin Luther King Jr. Day as a opportunity to be smugly racist. He'll intentionally not mention it, and then do a cartoon the following day where ducky answers an angry letter about why Tinsley didn't mention...Squirrel Appreciation Day! Ho ho, Tinsley, you are so clever. It's true, if there's one holiday that completely commercialized, it's Martin Luther King Day, the day that some but not even most people get off that is otherwise completely ignored by industry. And yeah, you have to be pretty tone deaf to decide that "rodent community" is going to be the best harmless analogy.
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rjryan3 posted:Can you provide source for these claims? Because unless I see evidence it just sounds like you two are just upset that Bill Nye doesn't recognize the "brilliance of nuclear power". For one he claims that cesium, a highly dangerous product of fission, is used to 'control reactors' which is basically as wrong as you can be about a thing and something anyone who's even Googled nuclear reactions knows. That alone should show he knows nothing about the issue. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/03/25/exp.nr.nye.dangers.leaking.reactor.cnn Along with that he's claimed 'radiation sickness' is sweeping Japan because of the meltdown, which, again, is absurd. He also says that the solution to Fukushima is to 'dump concrete on it like Chernobyl'. He really has no clue about what nuclear power IS let alone has any authority on its safety.
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loquacius posted:I realize that the windmills-killing-birds thing is never really brought up except as a concern troll (as evidenced by the fact that both Asay, who is among other things a big-oil fanboy, and McMillan, the primitivist who hates all forms of energy, have made cartoons about it), but is there any reason why we couldn't take the same approach to them we take with swivel fans and surround the turbine with a grate? Would that lower the efficiency too much to make them feasible? It's going to be a pretty heavy and expensive grate. I can imagine that it wouldn't actually reduce bird fatalities either with smaller birds deciding that the grates make great nesting places and throwing their chicks into the blades EDIT: And eagles would still fly into the grates and kill themselves on those Domattee fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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Jan 17, 2014 21:18
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Nuclear power needs to be in every DnD thread's Things We Can't Handle list.
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Domattee posted:It's going to be a pretty heavy and expensive grate. A grate the size of an entire office building. You don't really grasp how huge those windmills are until you end up in traffic (in my case, on a motorcycle) alongside an eighteen-wheeler hauling one blade for one of those things. It's longer than a city bus and about as wide. When it had to turn left at a light to get onto the service road to enter the interstate, it had to go to the far right lane to start out and literally blocked the entire eight lanes of intersection as it passed through. I popped the visor up on my helmet and just gawked. VitalSigns posted:Nuclear power needs to be in every DnD thread's Things We Can't Handle list. I keep forgetting this thread is in DnD. I'm generally of the mindset that I just don't go to DnD because politics aaaaaaaaaa I'm just a drummer, I'm going back to NMD where it's safe. But I like cartoons.
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Additionally I would bet way more birds fly into windows- they're not bright creatures.
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Monkey Fracas posted:Additionally I would bet way more birds fly into windows- they're not bright creatures.
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Windmills don't kill particularly many birds, but they do in a fairly gruesome way. If you were really concerned about birds though you'd ban cats, tall buildings, and coal power plants, all of which kill far more birds than windmills.
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VitalSigns posted:Nuclear power needs to be in every DnD thread's Things We Can't Handle list. Just make one list, things DnD can't handle: Disagreement.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Just make one list, things DnD can't handle: Disagreement. I disagree!
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/\ I here ya.Tatum Girlparts posted:For one he claims that cesium, a highly dangerous product of fission, is used to 'control reactors' which is basically as wrong as you can be about a thing and something anyone who's even Googled nuclear reactions knows. That alone should show he knows nothing about the issue. Ok, so Bill Nye doesn't know a thing about nuclear power, I'll admit it. However, I find it very odd that you immediately dismiss visceral's point about how nuclear power is not a best option when a chemical plant in West Virginia that poisoned the water supply last week hasn't been inspected since 1991. And Irradiation, did you have any evidence of Bill Nye being an anti-nuclear lobbyist, because so far it just sounds like CNN grab a person to talk about a subject they know nothing about because CNN are run by idiots.
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Try to parse this loving sentence  I also have no idea what 7oden is going on about given that the consensus still seems to be that Hillary would win handily if she decides she wants to run. 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Just make one list, things DnD can't handle: Disagreement. I think we had a like 3 page derail about backpacks in one thread in here one time.
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Sorry lobbyist was the wrong word for me to use. I meant proponent.
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Someone called Bill Nye a piece of poo poo. These are dark times we live in, my friends. My favorite thing about reading the Something Awful forums is that I rapidly learn why I should hate every thing and every one, because everyone is a piece of poo poo apparently.
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rjryan3 posted:/\ I here ya. Yea there needs to be good regulation, this is true for everything. Visceral's point was only a few steps from the 'guess we might as well not have laws' bullshit. Like yea, private companies can be lovely but so can the government, the issue is regulation and oversight not who's pulling the switch. Also I have no issue at all with government run power production but that's a much more difficult fight I imagine.
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Rebochan posted:
So, who's going to be the first conservative cartoonist to drag out this quote to bash affirmative action? You know they're gonna. That one line is probably the only thing King ever said that they pay attention to.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:By this logic I'd be valid to say because private industries cut corners all those windmill blades will be fixed on with gum and double stick tape and are prone to go flying off any minute now. I would imagine that a catastrophic wind accident would probably be far less destructive than a catastrophic nuclear accident, wouldn't it?
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Cabbit posted:I would imagine that a catastrophic wind accident would probably be far less destructive than a catastrophic nuclear accident, wouldn't it? I dunno, are we going to enter into who can tell the best short story territory here? I imagine you get those blades flying you can make a chunk of the area look like Man of Steel just went through. The point is that catastrophic nuclear failures are rare, and almost always caused by the government failing to regulate and protect. Private industry will cut corners, and it's the government's role to create rules and restrictions that mean when they do cut corners the situation is 'gently caress my power sucks this month' and not 'gently caress the plant is melting down, time to flee'.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The point is that catastrophic nuclear failures are rare, and almost always caused by the government failing to regulate and protect. Private industry will cut corners, and it's the government's role to create rules and restrictions that mean when they do cut corners the situation is 'gently caress my power sucks this month' and not 'gently caress the plant is melting down, time to flee'.
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Systematic System posted:If you were really concerned about birds though you'd ban cats, tall buildings, and coal power plants Have you got a petition I can sign?
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The thread is derailing, time to bust out the big guns. I indirectly knew Pulitzer-winning editorial cartoonist Doug Marlette before his tragic death, anyone have any questions about him?
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colonel_korn posted:Try to parse this loving sentence It's what she said in her senate testimony, that it didn't matter if it was because of a video or if a bunch of guys were out for a walk, they needed to be dealt with regardless. Cabbit posted:I would imagine that a catastrophic wind accident would probably be far less destructive than a catastrophic nuclear accident, wouldn't it? I hate to add to this derail, but I believe that the death per kilowatthour for nuclear is less than that of wind and solar combined but not separate.
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duz posted:I hate to add to this derail, but I believe that the death per kilowatthour for nuclear is less than that of wind and solar combined but not separate. no!
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R. Mute posted:Hmm yes it's clearly the government's fault hmm yessssssss No it's both party's fault you reactionary baby, but the government is the only one in the relationship with the ability to force their standards on the industry.
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