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Moster Box Here So I have an embarrassment of riches in my box and I'm not sure where to focus on next. I've been developing my mono-green/balance and Karin teams for a while now, but Ra, Isis, L Metatron, Haku and Satan are a lot more recent. I have three big questions: 1. Hera-Is seems to be my next stop, can I do it now or do I need something more? 2. What about Twinlits? Out of the question? 3. Bigger question here: if you had my box, what would you be developing for the long term? Haku or Ra seem likely, though L Metatron, Satan and Isis could be useful. I'd hate to give up the mono-green/balance, but maybe there's some way to keep it going? Thanks in advance, I'm kind of floundering here!
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Feb 11, 2014 16:55
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madstrike posted:Given how 'hard' it is to get Tamas on our side, i'd go with farming option, imo. Same for the dog(Cerberus) if you use him on the team. Someone said earlier that Cerberus is better than beeleebub. Is that just because his awakenings are better, even though his stats are worse?
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Feb 11, 2014 16:55
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Butt Discussin posted:Someone said earlier that Cerberus is better than beeleebub. Is that just because his awakenings are better, even though his stats are worse? Pretty much. Bees has more use on a blue team than anything.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:08
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Karnegal posted:I'm looking for some Kirin and SoD Lucifer friends. I sent some invites out based on the Google docs list, but I still need more than 1 or 2. I want to run some SoD on the dungeons in this event (I think I'm ready for Hera), and I'm just working on my Kirin skills generally. I'll probably have Haku up when you get the invite, but I'm running Lucifer for Hera and such when they come up.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:25
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Should I be rushing exp into my level 35 unevolved GrOdin for Hera this weekend? I also have a mid-level WD Neptune and a Chaos Devil Dragon (not busty, haha trifruits). I'm unsure of which of the two builds I ought to be using.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:34
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Should I be rushing exp into my level 35 unevolved GrOdin for Hera this weekend? I also have a mid-level WD Neptune and a Chaos Devil Dragon (not busty, haha trifruits). I'm unsure of which of the two builds I ought to be using. GrOdin, Neptune, 2600+ Autohealer ally = Hera kill, but seriously it could take forever and the early rounds may be harsh depending on lucky. Hades could take some stones as well. If you have decent subs and some way to reduce damage (rainbow keeper is the easy way) you can probably deal with it. Going Resist / Resist works, but you'll need a reliable way to generate heart orbs. Hades is still a problem.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:49
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Should I be rushing exp into my level 35 unevolved GrOdin for Hera this weekend? I also have a mid-level WD Neptune and a Chaos Devil Dragon (not busty, haha trifruits). I'm unsure of which of the two builds I ought to be using. Your best bet is probably neptune/friend max grodin, but you will need either at least one max skill heartmaker, or 1500 autoheal a turn from awakenings. Don't even bother trying without one of those, just get to work skilling up a siren for next time.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:59
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Solkanar512 posted:So is it really worth spending Tamadra on Satan, or just farming him with a Satan team? What was the estimated stamina per Tamadra running metal dragons? Farming extra Satans for awakening means investing 50 stamina per run, then enough stamina for a Rainbow Keeper, Dark Keeper, Mystic Mask, Dub-mythlit, Dub-Sapphilit and 883,883 dark XP. That would add up to a lot of metal dragon runs.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:14
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BGrifter posted:What was the estimated stamina per Tamadra running metal dragons? Based on my experience? Way too loving much. Probably around 500sta/tamadra
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Feb 11, 2014 18:57
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15 supers runs, only three super king drops on the final stage. That's some bullshit right there. Not that it's way outside of the variance, just annoying.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:03
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Based on my experience? Way too loving much. Probably around 500sta/tamadra I'd peg it as closer to ~300 stamina/Tamadra, under normal conditions. (~200, if the 1.5x appearance rate is active.)
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Feb 11, 2014 19:04
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Got in 14 super metal runs, 13 supers, 14 kings. Enough to get my satan up to 71 and put some XP in a bunch of other dudes that needed it.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:10
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Based on my experience? Way too loving much. Probably around 500sta/tamadra Yeah estimates I saw when googling put it around the 500 stamina mark. Probably ends up in the same ballpark as farming a Satan, all those evo mats and over 800k Dark XP. Plus you get a truckload of Metal Kings as a bonus. If you're sitting on a ton of excess evo mats and have nothing to spend Dark XP on go nuts awakening with duplicate Satans. If you value the Dark XP and would have to farm most of the evo mats it's probably better to farm a Tamadra. If you can do Twinlits without stoning it's not even close, Tamadras all the way. Edit: At 300 stamina/Tamadra I'd lean toward metal kings for sure.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:13
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Wait, wait, wait wait wait wait wait. The Red Pirate Dragon is Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts? Not Frederick "Redbeard" Barbarossa?
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Feb 11, 2014 19:19
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opaopa13 posted:Wait, wait, wait wait wait wait wait.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:22
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Grodin/bane/bane/bane/bane makes for some really mindless and easy super metal dragons. Just pick any ally that will have over 700 RCV and you're golden. I like that team.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:24
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BGrifter posted:Yeah estimates I saw when googling put it around the 500 stamina mark. Probably ends up in the same ballpark as farming a Satan, all those evo mats and over 800k Dark XP. Plus you get a truckload of Metal Kings as a bonus. And of course, this calculation goes right out the window if US is now going to see a mixture of stones and tamadra during the events.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:28
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Butt Discussin posted:Your best bet is probably neptune/friend max grodin, but you will need either at least one max skill heartmaker, or 1500 autoheal a turn from awakenings. Don't even bother trying without one of those, just get to work skilling up a siren for next time. Someday, I will have a Mermaid, and then that will mean I'd finally have all of the Healer girls. Lol wats a maxskill monster 
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Feb 11, 2014 19:34
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Solkanar512 posted:And of course, this calculation goes right out the window if US is now going to see a mixture of stones and tamadra during the events. Depends on how much stamina you have, and how many Tamadra you need. I mean, back when we had the 1.5x Tama drop bonus, I chucked about 1 stone/day towards stamina refills for running Metal/Jewel dragons. Worked out great for me - I ended up getting 10 Tamas, plus a ton of King Metal/Jewels for leveling up my critters. But then again, I had 180 stamina at the time, and my results were probably a bit on the lucky side.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:39
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Well, rerolling while on the shitter has gotten me an Archangel Lucifer. I don't see anything special about his skills but apparently he's a keeper?
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Feb 11, 2014 21:00
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Wheeee posted:Well, rerolling while on the shitter has gotten me an Archangel Lucifer. I don't see anything special about his skills but apparently he's a keeper? Definetly keep. He's slow going, but you can reliably clear a ton of content with the lolcannon.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:03
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Wheeee posted:Well, rerolling while on the shitter has gotten me an Archangel Lucifer. I don't see anything special about his skills but apparently he's a keeper? He's pretty good up to the easier Descends. It's just that his playstyle is very safe, but kinda boring. Keep him though and wait for a good Godfest like Egyptian.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:09
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Wheeee posted:Well, rerolling while on the shitter has gotten me an Archangel Lucifer. I don't see anything special about his skills but apparently he's a keeper? His skill deals 300k damage. If you use him as a leader with another Lucifer friend, you can deal 600k damage every 35 turns, and you can survive for that long seeing that you have a 4x HP and a 4x Recovery multiplier. The first normal dungeon boss that doesn't die after eating 600k damage is in Vesta Cave. That's a tier 6 dungeon. So...
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Feb 11, 2014 21:10
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Wheeee posted:Well, rerolling while on the shitter has gotten me an Archangel Lucifer. I don't see anything special about his skills but apparently he's a keeper? Archangel Lucifer can clear 80-90% of the game's content with relative ease due to the fact that his teams have a huge amount of survivability and can safely fit multiple Gravity monsters on their team that reduce boss HP by a % of max HP. Endgame Lucifer teams will usually have 2-3 Gravities on them and then use Lucifer's active skill to finish off the boss. I find Lucifer a little dull but I don't think there's any denying that for most of the game he's probably the strongest leader. He is incredibly easy to use, good Lucifer teams are almost completely farmable, and while some of the more recent Descends are designed specifically to prevent Lucifer from working people still manage to clear some of those dungeons using him anyway. Lucifer is also almost immediately endgame ready, where a lot of other teams require expensive REM teams or lots of experience or both.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:12
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Dias posted:His skill deals 300k damage. If you use him as a leader with another Lucifer friend, you can deal 600k damage every 35 turns, and you can survive for that long seeing that you have a 4x HP and a 4x Recovery multiplier. You'd need a healer for that, just a heads up. Can't use his skill when you're at 1 HP as that's what it reduces you to.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:15
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what team would you suggest for Keeper of the Green? do i stand a chance with my box? http://www.padherder.com/user/Momps
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Feb 11, 2014 21:25
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ThePotatoMasher posted:what team would you suggest for Keeper of the Green? do i stand a chance with my box? Keeper of the Green is pretty easy. You can check out the dungeon at http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Tuesday_Dungeon He hits for 3K every 3 turns. You should be able to tank that no problem with just about any team.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:31
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ThePotatoMasher posted:what team would you suggest for Keeper of the Green? do i stand a chance with my box? Keepers other than Rainbow are easy peasy. You shouldn't have any problem with that Kirin.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:40
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I'm absolute poo poo on the Twinlit dungeon. More often than not I can stall stage one just fine but I end up getting my rear end kicked on stage 2. I've only managed to complete it once, which is embarrassing. Can goons help?  Here are my monsters. I've tried the Zeus/Zeus team and many forms of Egyptian teams...I even fully awoke a drat Abyss Neptune for the poison resist...
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Feb 11, 2014 21:40
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I just came to the strange realization that I kinda want an Archdemons Godfest.  Dark Archdemon Lucifer is a ridiculously good sub now with 2x Skill Boost, a Dark row awakening, and soon a second Dark row awakening. If we ever got the ability to skill him up in NA he'd have a +Dark Orbs ability on a five freaking turn timer. (three on the first use thanks to Skill Boost!  )Belial is looking much improved with a long-ish cooldown orb change (not yet skillable in NA unfortunately), the same 2x Skill/2x row awakening as DA Luci, and Red Devils becoming a thing thanks to Red Sonia. Astaroth remains a bit of an odd duck but as a third best God in a pantheon isn't bad. I wouldn't go nuts rolling to get one, but if I happened into one it could be fun to experiment with. I know Astaroth teams were a thing in the JP version for a while. Baal & Amon still aren't setting my world on fire, but if they ever get a useful subtype the top notch awakenings could make them excellent subs.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:46
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Wheeee posted:Well, rerolling while on the shitter has gotten me an Archangel Lucifer. I don't see anything special about his skills but apparently he's a keeper? He's very good until he becomes merely decent. He's pretty boring throughout.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:52
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BGrifter posted:
I've had an Amon sitting around for a while that I'd like to find a use for. Even have two awakenings on him.. Maybe on a Satan team with DJ, either busty Vamp, Abyss Neptune? There's so many B/D and D/B devil types that I feel like I should have some use for him, but just haven't really bothered.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:55
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cheezit posted:I'm absolute poo poo on the Twinlit dungeon. More often than not I can stall stage one just fine but I end up getting my rear end kicked on stage 2. I've only managed to complete it once, which is embarrassing.
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Feb 11, 2014 21:56
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ReidRansom posted:I've had an Amon sitting around for a while that I'd like to find a use for. Even have two awakenings on him.. Maybe on a Satan team with DJ, either busty Vamp, Abyss Neptune? There's so many B/D and D/B devil types that I feel like I should have some use for him, but just haven't really bothered. W/L Lakshmi/Amon/I&I/Hermes/Viper Orochi/W/L Lakshmi 8 Row Awakenings, but you have to deal with the fact that you have two useless actives.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:02
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BGrifter posted:I just came to the strange realization that I kinda want an Archdemons Godfest. Yeah, the Archdemons have definitely gotten a bit of a boost recently, with their awakenings and active skill buff. Once we can skill them up, they'll make perfectly good subs for mono-color teams. DACK FAYDEN posted:...poison resist? Twinlits have poison? The Devilit does have a poison attack, but it's kind of irrelevant since you pretty much have to one-shot the bosses.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:07
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Yeah ignoring the Devil typing and slotting him into Mono-Blue is probably the best approach. With those awakenings he'd be a pretty good sub on the usual 4/2/2 teams too. As a bad Godfest roll he's actually not too shabby with those awakenings.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:10
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cheezit posted:I'm absolute poo poo on the Twinlit dungeon. More often than not I can stall stage one just fine but I end up getting my rear end kicked on stage 2. I've only managed to complete it once, which is embarrassing. You've got what I would consider the 'classic' Zeus team of Orochi/ Echidna / bind immune GrOdin / wildcard. If you've fully awoken Neptune then he'd be a great wildcard when his full bind immunity comes through (with another tamadra). Stall on 1, echidna 2, orochi +stall 3 on the tamadra unless everything is up except echidna, in which case just make sure echidna will be up in 6 turns then poison, Orochi + gravity 4, kill the devilit, echidna the angelit when it gets angry, finish it off.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:12
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DACK FAYDEN posted:...poison resist? Twinlits have poison? Yeah, If you're letting the devilit create poison orbs you have a much bigger problem than them. (in that it will kill your rear end when it gets angry).
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Feb 11, 2014 22:14
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OBi posted:You've got what I would consider the 'classic' Zeus team of Orochi/ Echidna / bind immune GrOdin / wildcard. If you've fully awoken Neptune then he'd be a great wildcard when his full bind immunity comes through (with another tamadra). Is there a secret to doing ~60 "hits" in the timeframe? I've never had more than 5 turns (with Echidna) and without doing all mass attacks all the time, at least one Dub is left and I die. Does everyone just sacrifice a stone for these? quote:Yeah, If you're letting the devilit create poison orbs you have a much bigger problem than them. (in that it will kill your rear end when it gets angry). And that he definitely did! How does the Zeus team do enough damage to do roughly 5mm in one team? Just the two grav's? I just want to evolve my Horus.
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Mirthless posted:Archangel Lucifer can clear 80-90% of the game's content with relative ease due to the fact that his teams have a huge amount of survivability and can safely fit multiple Gravity monsters on their team that reduce boss HP by a % of max HP.  a bit for a second, but it's a % of current HP, not max HP.
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