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D.N. Nation posted:Southerners could just as easily mock northerners for putting un-raised homes on the ocean in the path of a hurricane. How does someone do this, then post it and think, yep, that'll do.
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I think the impression he was going for was 'flattened against a window'.
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Feb 13, 2014 17:20
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Vicas posted:Mmm yes all those people who have literally never seen snow stick to the ground in their lives have no excuse for not knowing how to drive in it, I agree In the North, the ground is cold and the snow tends to stay as snow, which will offer some traction for driving. In the South, the ground is usually still warm under it, which melts the base. Then when the top is compressed it turns into ice, making it much worse to drive on. Also, the South was never glaciated so it's much hillier than most of the North. All this combined with snow being relatively rare makes for much hilarity on the roads.
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Feb 13, 2014 17:39
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I can't hold it against a group of people who have no collective experience and no means to practice when they can't handle uncommon weather. Where are people going to practically practice driving their cars on ice without the roads being iced? 
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Feb 13, 2014 17:48
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xxEightxx posted:...the worst hurricane disaster in recent history happened in a city in the south that was built below sea level. I've wondered since Katrina "Why did they think it was a good idea to build a city below sea level that close to the water?" They really had no excuse, it was bound to happen eventually.
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Feb 13, 2014 18:33
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Captain Trips posted:I've wondered since Katrina "Why did they think it was a good idea to build a city below sea level that close to the water?" Who is your "they" in this scenario?
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Feb 13, 2014 18:37
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:Probably not, my experience with earthquakes has typically been someone coming up to me and saying "hey, was that an earthquake"? Does anyone have the real bee version of this?
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Feb 13, 2014 18:37
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Captain Trips posted:I've wondered since Katrina "Why did they think it was a good idea to build a city below sea level that close to the water?" The Dutch seem to have it figured out, so it's not impossible by any means. They don't have hurricanes of that (or any, really) magnitude but I'm sure with the right expertise and enough funding even Katrina could've been handled without too much trouble.
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Feb 13, 2014 18:42
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Pick posted:Who is your "they" in this scenario? People who ran the city, people who had poo poo destroyed, people who lived there. Anyone too dumb to move away from the Atlantis-waiting-to-happen.
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Feb 13, 2014 18:46
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Captain Trips posted:People who ran the city, people who had poo poo destroyed, people who lived there. Anyone too dumb to move away from the Atlantis-waiting-to-happen. New Orleans is there because it's the mouth of the Mississippi River. It's a major seaport, and the terminus of most of the barge traffic in the central US. It has to be there. It's important enough that part of it being below sea level is an annoyance worth dealing with.
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Feb 13, 2014 18:50
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Deteriorata posted:New Orleans is there because it's the mouth of the Mississippi River. It's a major seaport, and the terminus of most of the barge traffic in the central US. It has to be there. It's important enough that part of it being below sea level is an annoyance worth dealing with. They also have those awesome accents there.
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Feb 13, 2014 19:08
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Rhyno posted:They also have those awesome accents there. Don't forget the good food.
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Feb 13, 2014 19:11
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Taeke posted:The Dutch seem to have it figured out, so it's not impossible by any means. They don't have hurricanes of that (or any, really) magnitude but I'm sure with the right expertise and enough funding even Katrina could've been handled without too much trouble.
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Feb 13, 2014 19:12
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Europe does get storms that match the power of (smaller) hurricanes though, they're just a completely different type of meteorological phenomenon. The current Dutch defenses against floods were created after a flood that killed nearly 2000 people in the Netherlands back in 1953. I know, but they're not hurricanes/tornadoes in the sense that the US has them, and 1953 is a hell of a long time ago. I was just making the point that it's entirely possible to go about things sensibly and prevent a clusterfuck like the aftermath of Katrina. Hell, that's what the flooded English are so angry about right now.
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Feb 13, 2014 19:15
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Everyone drives like an rear end in a top hat, all the time, every wheres. Pretty sure is Goon made, not mine
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Feb 13, 2014 19:35
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Taeke posted:I know, but they're not hurricanes/tornadoes in the sense that the US has them
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Feb 13, 2014 20:04
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Deteriorata posted:In the North, the ground is cold and the snow tends to stay as snow, which will offer some traction for driving. In the South, the ground is usually still warm under it, which melts the base. Then when the top is compressed it turns into ice, making it much worse to drive on. Now tell us about the chains on our tires  
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Feb 13, 2014 20:15
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Living in flood plains you say? This is from a town called High River.
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jiharlequinade posted:Now tell us about the chains on our tires With all the debate about snow in NC and Atlanta the past few weeks, snow chains/tires get brought up all the time as if those are super common in the north. I've lived in Wisconsin for 28 years and I don't think I've ever actually seen a vehicle with snow chains. I've also never put snow tires on my vehicles and nobody I know does either. Also LOL if you think all roads get plowed/salted immediately after a snowstorm and that the snow doesn't get driven over/compressed into ice. 
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Feb 13, 2014 20:58
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Deteriorata posted:In the North, the ground is cold and the snow tends to stay as snow, which will offer some traction for driving. In the South, the ground is usually still warm under it, which melts the base. Then when the top is compressed it turns into ice, making it much worse to drive on. Not exactly accurate there. Even at -35 Celsius the roads ice over very quickly just by cars driving, due to friction caused by tires and heat from engines. In mid January there was half a foot of ice on some roads in my city due to the snow getting compressed and friction of traffic turning it into ice. Intersections were completely ice due to spinning of tires and vehicles sitting with engine heat melting the snow/ice. At -40 it refreezes pretty much instantly. The reason there is more traction in colder climates when driving on snow is due to hardpack naturally having more grip at lower temperatures. (I'm talking differences of 20 degrees Celcius) Walking across a road in minus 40? No problem. -15, it's slippery as hell. One of the roads in my city has about 150,000 cars per day traveling on it and during the winter you can go 2 months without seeing the pavement. It's all compressed snow and ice.
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Hydrogenated posted:Not exactly accurate there. Even at -35 Celsius the roads ice over very quickly just by cars driving, due to friction caused by tires and heat from engines. In mid January there was half a foot of ice on some roads in my city due to the snow getting compressed and friction of traffic turning it into ice. Intersections were completely ice due to spinning of tires and vehicles sitting with engine heat melting the snow/ice. At -40 it refreezes pretty much instantly. The reason there is more traction in colder climates when driving on snow is due to hardpack naturally having more grip at lower temperatures. (I'm talking differences of 20 degrees Celcius) Walking across a road in minus 40? No problem. -15, it's slippery as hell. I grew up in a medium-sized city in Michigan, and heavily traveled roads got plowed and salted regularly. The side streets were plowed far less often, and thus remained mainly snow. It was quite flat, however, so driving on it wasn't very difficult. My experience obviously wasn't the same as everyone else's. In addition to the hills, the roads in Tennessee are far less forgiving. Trees, mailboxes, ditches, telephone poles, etc. are often within inches of the roadway, leaving you with far smaller margins for error.
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So glad we're ironing out misconceptions about weather these last two pages, you've all done a lot of good here and with God's blessing we'll all believe the same thing about weather and road conditions within the next couple of pages. 
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Captain Trips posted:People who ran the city, people who had poo poo destroyed, people who lived there. Anyone too dumb to move away from the Atlantis-waiting-to-happen. So no fault on the Army Corps of Engineers' part, then? You know, the people actually responsible for the levees failing when they were supposed to easily withstand a storm like Katrina. 
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Feb 13, 2014 21:59
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We just need some flying cars, problem solved. Shut the gently caress up about weather please?
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Chard posted:We just need some flying cars, problem solved. We have flying cars. They're called "airplanes".
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Feb 13, 2014 22:24
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Pick posted:Who is your "they" in this scenario? The French. They planned this from the beginning.
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Feb 13, 2014 22:25
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Ferrule posted:We have flying cars. They're called "airplanes". Sure sure, but have you ever tried parking one????  The HOA isn't going to like that...
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Feb 13, 2014 22:26
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Shnag posted:Everyone drives like an rear end in a top hat, all the time, every wheres. 
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Feb 13, 2014 22:41
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I saw one of these guys in Columbus last month, it blew my mind. I can't imagine riding a unicycle in great weather, let alone six inches of snow.
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Feb 13, 2014 22:50
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Krowley posted:So no fault on the Army Corps of Engineers' part, then? You know, the people actually responsible for the levees failing when they were supposed to easily withstand a storm like Katrina. I can't let this go. The ACoE had been yelling for years if not decades that N.O. was a major disaster waiting to happen. But they made the mistake of needing money to fix it. Blame Congress first, and the state of Louisiana second.
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Captain Trips posted:I saw one of these guys in Columbus last month, it blew my mind. I can't imagine riding a unicycle in great weather, let alone six inches of snow. Meh, he's got all wheel drive.
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BonHair posted:Does anyone have the real bee version of this? You mean this one? 
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Captain Trips posted:I've wondered since Katrina "Why did they think it was a good idea to build a city below sea level that close to the water?" Why do people build near water? It could flood! Why do people build in the middle of the desert? Theres no water! Why do people build in the middle of tornado ally? Theres like tornadoes and poo poo!
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Darth Freddy posted:Why do people build near water? It could flood! The solution is to never build anything anywhere.
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Morpheus posted:The solution is to never build anything anywhere. Tents. The future is in tents.
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Morpheus posted:The solution is to never build anything anywhere. Build further north, nothing happens up there.
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Tardcore posted:Build further north, nothing happens up there. The best part of Ohio is the lack of natural disasters. Tornados, floods, blizzards. That's it. Never have to worry about an earthquake or a hurricane.
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