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That's a great point, too. e- new page content upgrade 
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Feb 25, 2014 02:11
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Ummm... well, Jacques Villeneuve is gonna run the Indy 500 with Schmidt. http://racer.com/index.php/52-indycar/101413-indycar-jacques-villeneuve-to-return-to-indy-500-with-schmidt-peterson-motorsports
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Feb 25, 2014 02:20
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I was just thinking that I'd like to see JV give Indycar another shot. Good driver, even if his reputation is kind of shot at this point.
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Feb 25, 2014 02:28
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Cars may have been unsafe in the past but at least they crippled or killed our heroes before they became "that guy" who didn't know when to gracefully exit their careers.
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Feb 25, 2014 02:30
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VikingSkull posted:Cars may have been unsafe in the past but at least they crippled or killed our heroes before they became "that guy" who didn't know when to gracefully exit their careers. The 1992 Indy 500 had Gordon Johncock, Al Unser Sr, Mario Andretti, and AJ Foyt starting in it, with a combined age of around 500.
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Feb 25, 2014 02:35
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All 3 looked incredibly silly by that point, too, especially AJ. His temper got less impressive when he started hobbling and slapping instead of running and punching.
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Feb 25, 2014 02:38
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VikingSkull posted:Cars may have been unsafe in the past but at least they crippled or killed our heroes before they became "that guy" who didn't know when to gracefully exit their careers. JV owns. JV vs. JPM at Indy is going to own.
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Feb 25, 2014 02:38
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I mean, seriously, JV is 42. That's silly for Formula One, but Indycar's had a history of people running fairly competitively into their 40s. The guy was a sunny day away from being the only modern triple-crowner (and I really hope he gets another shot at it), give him a chance.
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Feb 25, 2014 02:39
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I'm not making GBS threads on JV in particular and he definitely has a shot at being competitive, it's just an overall thought that popped to mind. If he wins or is impressive, good on him, but if he sucks add his name to the miles long list of "dudes who went to Indy at the end of their career and were horribly disappointed, or worse". e- also he hasn't been in an open wheel car for like a decade, that's never a good thing
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Feb 25, 2014 02:54
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He's past his prime, but you know..I kind of like it. Also, it's hilarious to see all the old Crapwagon fans cry about him coming back. Villenevue was one of the last guys they held onto as someone who was a racing "purist", who'd NEVER drive in the "IRL". Seriously though. Will be cool to see him around IMS for the month of may. I do hope the next bit of news we hear though is about Conor getting a ride  .
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Feb 25, 2014 03:35
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Let's play some music to celebrate this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbiBdWLoDg
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Feb 25, 2014 03:54
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Fag Boy Jim posted:The 1992 Indy 500 had Gordon Johncock, Al Unser Sr, Mario Andretti, and AJ Foyt starting in it, with a combined age of around 500. It's gotta be said that times have changed considerably; I don't know if the over 40s can compete effectively anymore.
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Feb 25, 2014 09:08
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I mean, seriously, JV is 42. That's silly for Formula One, but Indycar's had a history of people running fairly competitively into their 40s. It's not even THAT silly for F1. He wasn't the driver he once was of course but Michael Schumacher retired at that age, Nigel Mansell was winning in F1 at 41/42. Different era in Nigel's case I guess.
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Feb 25, 2014 10:03
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Yeah, while aero was definitely a thing in the early 90's, somehow I'm pretty sure that the G loads drivers experience today is much greater than what it was twenty years ago.
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Feb 25, 2014 13:05
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah, while aero was definitely a thing in the early 90's, somehow I'm pretty sure that the G loads drivers experience today is much greater than what it was twenty years ago. Not to mention the physical demands of driving the DW12 since it doesn't have power steering.
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Feb 25, 2014 14:22
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To me? It's always good to see a guy like him involved with the sport of Indycar and the Indy 500 again. You WANT former Champions, and World Driving Champions banging on the door to be in this race. Just as you want a guy who has a USAC Triple Crown title to his credit, or a Cup Championship. It'd be pretty amazing if we could get him further involved with the sport. (maybe he can drag his old team owner out of retirement to help co-fund a team that promotes Canadian Drivers? Dare to dream!)
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Feb 25, 2014 18:13
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Yeah, its the Indy 500. Old winners/champs coming back just for the race is one of my fav parts. Still remember when Big Al came back in 92 and ended up with a top 3. I just never expected JV... gonna be ridic.
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Feb 25, 2014 18:26
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah, while aero was definitely a thing in the early 90's, somehow I'm pretty sure that the G loads drivers experience today is much greater than what it was twenty years ago. Really? I mean, the 1992 cars were running faster lap times with a sharper turning radius, thanks to the apron still being there.
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Feb 25, 2014 18:30
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2014 Indy 500: More Blue Tarps Than Sochi
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Feb 25, 2014 18:34
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Really? I mean, the 1992 cars were running faster lap times with a sharper turning radius, thanks to the apron still being there. Those cars were putting down much faster trap speeds than current cars but were slower though the corners. Also the cars that could run faster lap times were (with a couple exceptions, namely the Newman/Haas cars) running the Buick V6. (Most of) the cars with engines that could go the full 500 miles without turning themselves into a pile of slag weren't any faster than the current cars.
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Feb 25, 2014 20:26
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah, while aero was definitely a thing in the early 90's, somehow I'm pretty sure that the G loads drivers experience today is much greater than what it was twenty years ago. And were it not for the head injury, Dario had at least another few years in him. I could see him still competitve in the 500 at 42. 47 like Al Unser at his last win, might be a stretch, but I think that says more about the depth of the current field.
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Feb 25, 2014 20:52
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KingShibby posted:Not to mention the physical demands of driving the DW12 since it doesn't have power steering. What ever happened to the upgrade that Dallara had spec'd for the cars? I heard they had a drop-in unit that would cost $5K. Is the ICS really keeping them out of the cars knowing how many broken wrists it's been responsible for?
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Feb 25, 2014 21:20
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McMadCow posted:What ever happened to the upgrade that Dallara had spec'd for the cars? I heard they had a drop-in unit that would cost $5K. Is the ICS really keeping them out of the cars knowing how many broken wrists it's been responsible for? Pretty sure that'll be a 2015 thing
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Feb 25, 2014 21:28
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The cars aren't getting power steering (thank god), but they are getting a steering damper in the linkage and a revised upright block. Neither are ready yet, but Dallara has made prototypes for both and they are testing em (a team ran the damper at Sebring this offseason for data). The teams also have the revised aluminum steering arms as an option, some teams already ran them last year. The series is not going to make them mandatory because they do feel slightly different to the drivers, especially at the super speedways, so its up to the teams/drivers to decide if its worth it to them.
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Feb 25, 2014 21:37
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Graham's paint. I like it. Also Panther is suing everyone under the sun to try to get the Guard sponsorship back, gently caress john barnes.
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Feb 25, 2014 22:58
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Cygni posted:Graham's paint. I like it.  as justification for sacking Hildebrand. To hell with him. I hope someone finds a hidden stash of nose candy when they auction his poo poo off.
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Feb 25, 2014 23:33
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Cygni posted:Graham's paint. I like it. Rightest post in the thread so far on all counts - that's a slick looking car. Seems a bit like that awesome paint scheme that Newgarden ran for entirely too few races last year. Fun fact, since this is federal money, the denial is public record! I think the fact that RLL is asking for $5M less than Panther is a lot of the decision maker. Reading through it more, a large part of Panther's protest (and probably why they are suing Indycar) is they have/had some sort of exclusivity with regards to being physically in the Indycar Fan Zone they set up at the track. Being in the fan zone is a requirement of the sponsor contract, and both RLL and Indycar said that RLL will be in there, despite whatever contract Panther has. IOwnCalculus fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 25, 2014 23:33
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IOwnCalculus posted:Fun fact, since this is federal money, the denial is public record! I think the fact that RLL is asking for $5M less than Panther is a lot of the decision maker. That's $5M less a year. Also, that whole table says it all.  Even if RLL were asking $1-2M more than Panther I think they still would have gotten it over Panther just due to the fact they know how to manage a sponsorship better (aka "Understanding requirements" and "soundness of approach") Kilonum fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Feb 26, 2014 16:43
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As a rule I don't wish bad things on people, but I'm willing to make an exception for John Barnes. Seriously, the dude is the epitome of human garbage.
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Feb 26, 2014 16:43
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Kilonum posted:That's $5M less a year. Also, that whole table says it all. Exactly. I mean if you asked pretty much anyone in IndyCar if they would rather sponsor RLL or Panther for equal money, everyone would say RLL. For a 30% discount? Uhhh. Plus on that Qualifications of Personnel line, if looking at just the on-track staff, I dont think they really deserve to be equal. RLL has an American driver with a win and 2 poles, Bill Pappas, and John Dick all on staff. Panther has no driver (was testing a Columbian pay driver?), and fired their Chief Engineer (David Cripps) halfway through last year. So yeah.
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Feb 26, 2014 17:57
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No news on the title sponsor yet?
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Feb 26, 2014 18:04
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Panther won't win anything in court unless they can prove corruption, which is an extreme long stretch.
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Feb 26, 2014 18:04
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KingShibby posted:Panther won't win anything in court unless they can prove corruption, which is an extreme long stretch. Yeah, I'm sure IndyCar would be smart enough to put in the contract that the Fan Zone exclusivity thing is provisional on having the National Guard sponsorship in the first place.
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Feb 26, 2014 19:19
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Uncle Jam posted:No news on the title sponsor yet?
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Feb 26, 2014 19:29
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I'm a little concerned on three fronts for Indy. One is, of course, marketing. The other two have to be with the fact that there's no new teams entering the series, and it seems difficult for new talent (Read: Conor Daly, Sage Karem) to break in. With the loss of Panther, it's not a good thing. For as slimey as Barnes was, he did provide a seat within the series. You need guys willing to throw money at a series, and with IndyCar the amount is becoming a little smaller.
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Feb 26, 2014 19:34
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Are we pretending that Conor Daly is the savior of open wheel racing?
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Feb 26, 2014 19:44
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Frankly, driver continuity is much more important to me and the series than giving every guy that can win single races in lower series a chance. Driver continuity makes it much easier to be a casual fan, it makes casual fans feel more connected, and it sells more hats, tshirts, and tickets. The number of teams in the series has shrunk a little this year, but nothing crazy. It's easy to forget that RLL, Herta, and Fisher werent even full time teams a few years ago. Teams come and go. And frankly, if I was a team on the edge of my budget, I would be holding out for 2015 anyway.
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Feb 26, 2014 19:57
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http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/26/exclusive-cosworth-seeks-return-to-indycar-possible-one-for-f1/ Ford branded Cosworths anyone? anyone? Well we know that KV would be running them. (kind of hard not to when your owner is involved in the company)
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Feb 26, 2014 20:19
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Kilonum posted:IndyCar ... smart enough LOL
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Feb 26, 2014 20:31
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/26/exclusive-cosworth-seeks-return-to-indycar-possible-one-for-f1/ I'd support it on the sole basis that it's another engine manufacturer getting into the mix, but it being Cosworth is extra nice.
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