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Hog Wild drawing no money at the gate by virtue of design Ed Leslie having six different gimmicks Unmasking Psicosis Juvi as "The Juice" Goldberg refuses to follow the script The Miss NWO pageant Jerry Only wrestles e: Vampiro pours blood from the rafters onto people. Vampiro fights the KISS Demon in a graveyard. Vampiro lights Sting's stuntman on fire in a Human Torch Match. Vampiro forms a stable with the Great Muta and the Insane Clown Posse. Vampiro.
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Great White Hope posted:Ric Flair wins First Blood match despite bleeding first via (I forget if it was pinfall, submission, or ref stoppage) How was this stupid? It worked in the storyline since he had his own personal ref. Compared to some of the other poo poo it made sense.
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Ok, I'm going to update it with the following: Letting the Radicalz Leave nWo Nitro (on the Starrcade 97 go home!) Licensing Deal with Kiss Chucky Juvi winning the IWGP Jr title via tequila bottle shot Hogan rips up Observers at WW3 and buries main event storyline/reality of Macho's elbow. Madusa throwing the WWF belt in trash (triggering a lawsuit and then never using her!) Unmasking Rey Mysterio Jr Hogan vs Ed Leslie headlines Starrcade 94 The Junkyard Invitational (Huge cost both in money and injuries) Making Kevin Nash booker Hiring Vince Russo Uncensored 95 I'm not sure if I missed an obvious suggestion that was posted. Those are added to Letting Ric Flair go to the WWF Firing Steve Austin Letting Brian Pillman work them into a release The Giant vs Hulk Hogan monster truck match The Uncensored 96 DOOMSDAY CAGE MATCH Roddy Piper vs Hulk Hogan at Starrcade is secretly non-title nWo Souled Out Sting doesn't go over Hogan cleanly at Starrcade 97 Goldberg vs Hogan given away on free TV Leno/DDP vs Hogan/Bischoff Hogan vs Warrior Bischoff plans for Halloween Havoc to run long, chain of command forgets to inform cable companies Goldberg loses to Nash via cattleprod at Starrcade 98 1/4/99 Nitro (Butts in seats, Goldberg goes to jail, Fingerpoke) The Hummer Starrcade 99 is another Montreal Screwjob Bringing Vince Russo back David Arquette: World Champion The Russo/Hogan worked shoot that caused a lawsuit Vince Russo: World Champion Something like nWo Nightcap would fit with the Leno match and some of these while they are dumb, Robocop was a Turner directive and not a major storyline thing, so I don't know if it fits with some of these. As for: Swagger Dagger posted:I feel like you should name this the Vince Russo Memorial Tournament and disallow his hiring, because otherwise it's the obvious choice and wins in a landslide. Plus, talking about the individual things he did is way better than "Russo got hired." Was hiring Vince Russo a stupid move? It's hard to say honestly. His track record at that point was pretty good. It was laughable that he created the Attitude era and the Rock and all the poo poo he said he did, but he was writing the TV for the competition that was killing them. On top of that they were directionless and in need of a shot in the arm. I don't blame WCW for bringing him in the first time. Now, bringing him back... I can even see the reasons for it, but to me that's dumber.
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Some other potential moments Hiring Master P and friends Buying plane tickets for everyone, regardless of whether they were used on the show or not Briefly banning top-rope moves That match with the championship in a box Not firing Scott Hall after missing shows
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My top 25 stupidest poo poo WCW ever did: Letting Flair go to WWF Hiring Hogan and friends Jobbing out and firing Steve Austin Anything pre-NWO that Hogan did in WCW (dungeon of doom, alliance to end hulkamania, darkside hogan, etc.) Watering down the NWO with jobbers Bischoff joining the NWO Splitting the NWO into heel and face factions Starrcade match with Sting Giving away Hogan vs. Goldberg free on TV Epically mishandling Bret Hart Fingerpoke of Doom Pushing Jarrett (who had more X-Pac Heat than X-Pac during the time X-Pac Heat was coined) to the moon Turning Goldberg heel Bringing in top card ECW talent and doing jack poo poo with them Rehiring Russo (they get a pass for hiring him the first time since no one knew he was so awful) Giving away Raw results on Nitro Releasing the Radicals Exploiting Scott Hall's IRL demons and having him show up and "work" several times in an extremely unfit state Road Wild (which was free admission and they lost TONS of money on) Hotshotting the belt constantly World Heavyweight Champion David Arquette World Heavyweight Champion Vince Russo Spending tons on celebrities no one cared about (lumping everyone from Megadeth to ICP to KISS to Leno to Rodman to Master P to David Arquette here) Focusing way, way, way, way, way too much on popping ratings Announce team ignoring all matches that weren't the main event 10 Honorable mentions that didn't make the list because they didn't exactly kill the company like most of the main list stuff: Hogan killing Vader's credibility by no-selling Souled Out (or whatever that gimmicked to hell PPV was where everything was in black and white and through a fisheye lens) Causing Bobby Heenan to stop giving a gently caress about wrestling Larry Z cutting a promo on a dead Louie Spicolli Mongo Anything Paul Roma did from being the worst horseman to making Alex Wright look like a chump The Giant as Andre's son Junkyard Invitational Unmasking Rey Oklahoma
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Letting Jericho go to the WWE. Paying Lanny Poffo to do nothing. (Related) Purchasing the Gorgeous George gimmick from The Maestro and giving it to Savage's girlfriend. Edit: Related to Paul Roma making Alex Wright look like a chump, Jim Duggan making Berlyn look like a chump. At least they fired Roma, Duggan wasn't even punished.
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MassRafTer posted:Was hiring Vince Russo a stupid move? It's hard to say honestly. His track record at that point was pretty good. It was laughable that he created the Attitude era and the Rock and all the poo poo he said he did, but he was writing the TV for the competition that was killing them. On top of that they were directionless and in need of a shot in the arm. I don't blame WCW for bringing him in the first time. Now, bringing him back... I can even see the reasons for it, but to me that's dumber. Hiring him was smart because WWF was taking off at the time and for all WCW knew, he may have been able to back up what he was saying he could do. RE-hiring him, though, was a HORRIBLE move.
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Aerial Tollhouse posted:Some other potential moments Master P is perfect and bringing Watts back after he hadn't watched any wrestling in years definitely fit. Occupy Japan posted:My top 25 stupidest poo poo WCW ever did: I've been trying to figure out a way to sum the Hart and Hall thing into one event. I thought about Vader too.
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MassRafTer posted:Yes, definitely. I wanted to add that and forgot. I knew there were more idiotic releases. Hiring Lanny Poffo might count too. I would count letting Foley go. Obviously Lost in Cleveland was pretty drat stupid, but letting Cactus go without seeing his potential let him become a legitimate main eventer in the 'F.
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Memento posted:I would count letting Foley go. Obviously Lost in Cleveland was pretty drat stupid, but letting Cactus go without seeing his potential let him become a legitimate main eventer in the 'F. Given how the list as expanded it probably fits. I didn't want to include it at first because Foley did piss the company off by spitting on the WCW tag title and going so far with anti WCW promos in ECW, but they did squander him first. I also can't remember if he quit or got fired. Does anyone remember?
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All the ones in more recent WCW have been mentioned, but how about the Black Scorpion angle or not having an identity for the mysterious masked wrestler assaulting your world champ when beginning it if you want something more specific? NWO Souled Out's a weird case in that the idea itself made perfect sense on paper but holy poo poo was the execution awful.
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Thauros posted:All the ones in more recent WCW have been mentioned, but how about the Black Scorpion angle or not having an identity for the mysterious masked wrestler assaulting your world champ when beginning it if you want something more specific? I was thinking of a good way to quantify the Black Scorpion, but that's a good one.
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I would probably count turning Luger heel at Great American Bash 91. Then again that entire show could go on the list.
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Stacy Keibler's pregnancy, and subsequent miscarriage in some kind of gravy bowl (or pudding? whatever) PPV match.
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WCW also totally alienated British wrestling fans by staging an abysmal, superstar-bereft tour, which ended in a main event featuring the Mamalukes vs. Ron and Don Harris. Yeah, that was a main event. Fans wanting to see the likes Goldberg, Hall, Nash, and Hogan were not pleased to say the least. quote:WCW @ Birmingham, England - NEC - March 10, 2000 (11,812; sell out)
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Lenny Polfo getting paid is like 14 seed at best. Letting flair walk with the title, for $25k and a paycheck and it turns out, firing Austin is #1 poo poo. Hacksaw going over Austin for the US is like 6 seed.
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Dario the Wop posted:Stacy Keibler's pregnancy, and subsequent miscarriage in some kind of gravy bowl (or pudding? whatever) PPV match. If one thing from New Blood Rising is going on, the whole PPV needs to be. Not sure it belongs on there as much as the Hog Wild concept and Souled Out, but maybe. I'll see how the numbers look when I write up the list.
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Erik Watts walking around with a bullwhip has to be on there. I was just reminded saw that on GAB 89. With what we know about his dad and all, it's gotta be a lower seed at least.
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The American Dream posted:Erik Watts walking around with a bullwhip has to be on there. I was just reminded saw that on GAB 89. With what we know about his dad and all, it's gotta be a lower seed at least. Could you describe this a bit more? When I think of Erik Watts all I can think of is dropkicks and Jncos.
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More additions: Signing Master P Hiring Lanny Poffo, buying the Gorgeous George gimmick for him and then never using him Larry Zbyszko maintains kayfabe after the death of Louie Spicolli Bischoff suspends Ric Flair in 1998 over petty bullshit Ric Flair heart attack/poisoning angle leading up to Bischoff/Flair match Ric Flair has a kayfabe heart attack to strip him of world title WCW runs Mick Foley out of town Hog Wild: WCW runs a PPV (yearly!) in front of a racist bikers paying nothing WCW starts a Sting/Black Scorpion feud with no clue who the Scorpion will be Bret Hart turns heel and joins nWo as a midcarder 6 months after Montreal Hiring Bill Watts Turning Scott Hall's alcoholism into an angle Stacey Kiebler miscarriage angle in a Rip off the Camo match Sting/Vampiro human torch angle ends with stunt man Sting jumping off Turner tron and announcers acting like Sting has maybe died. Paul Roma: Horseman Hiring Mike Awesome in a way that gets them sued by ECW Jobbing Austin to Jim Duggan in 10 seconds Oklahoma wins WCW Cruiserweight title Letting the Radicalz Leave nWo Nitro (on the Starrcade 97 go home!) Licensing Deal with Kiss Chucky Juvi winning the IWGP Jr title via tequila bottle shot Hogan rips up Observers at WW3 and buries main event storyline/reality of Macho's elbow. Madusa throwing the WWF belt in trash (triggering a lawsuit and then never using her!) Unmasking Rey Mysterio Jr Hogan vs Ed Leslie headlines Starrcade 94 The Junkyard Invitational (Huge cost both in money and injuries) Making Kevin Nash booker Hiring Vince Russo I'm not sure if I missed an obvious suggestion that was posted. Those are added to Letting Ric Flair go to the WWF Firing Steve Austin Letting Brian Pillman work them into a release The Giant vs Hulk Hogan monster truck match The Uncensored 96 DOOMSDAY CAGE MATCH Roddy Piper vs Hulk Hogan at Starrcade is secretly non-title nWo Souled Out Sting doesn't go over Hogan cleanly at Starrcade 97 Goldberg vs Hogan given away on free TV Leno/DDP vs Hogan/Bischoff Hogan vs Warrior Bischoff plans for Halloween Havoc to run long, chain of command forgets to inform cable companies Goldberg loses to Nash via cattleprod at Starrcade 98 1/4/99 Nitro (Butts in seats, Goldberg goes to jail, Fingerpoke) The Hummer Starrcade 99 is another Montreal Screwjob Bringing Vince Russo back David Arquette: World Champion The Russo/Hogan worked shoot that caused a lawsuit Vince Russo: World Champion I think that's 50. I took Uncensored 95 off because as dumb as it was it drew well and I wanted an even 50. I would've taken the Spicolli thing off, but a few people asked for it so why not. If it's less than 50 I'll add Uncensored back on. If I am missing something glaring please post it. If you post That's the Wall I won't like you. Just a note, this isn't a traditional tournament with seeds. Every round we vote for the least stupid thing, and that is eliminated until we are left with the stupidest thing WCW ever did.
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The only thing that I can think of thats jumping out at me is The Final Solution, which forced Turner to step in and force them to rename him after they got a ton of complaints from Jewish groups, followed by WCW making a statement stressing that they were unaware of any connections to Hitler.
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So who wants to buff the stuff of Buff Bagwell for money? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL04h9PXW1I Wonder if his mother still works as his agent.
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Wasn't the KISS segment literally the lowest rated moment in Nitro history? And didn't KISS retain all merchandising rights (on top of getting paid a couple hundred grand to lip-synch a lovely song)?
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On the list of things that weren't structurally damaging to the company but were just awful angles: Everything involving Master P and the No Limit Soldiers. They paid him ridiculous money to put the audience to sleep. Putting the No Limit Soldiers up against the West Texas Rednecks and not knowing how to handle it when the racist heels were cheered as faces. Well, they handled it by hiring Virgil. The Vampiro vs. Steeeve, sorry, Sting angle. The Se7en worked shoot. Kevin Nash as a wizard. Kevin Sullivan as an old sexually confused wizard. Putting Fit Finlay in a gay porn angle. They fired Ricky Steamboat while he was injured. Were there good reasons for that? He'd been with them for years. The Final Solution The Machine, a jobber based on a villain from the film 8mm. His gimmick is that he wears a gimp mask, abuses steroids, and raped and murdered a teenage girl. Thankfully he only appeared once or twice. By the way, how well was WCW doing in the early 90s with all the Dungeons & Dragons vs. Hulkamania crap by Kevin Sullivan? Of course it was awful, and we look back on it as an era where both companies were just completely lost in the creative department, but was WCW doing good business?
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One stupid WCW thing that I rarely see mentioned is the "Viagra on a Pole" match.quote:Billy Kidman and Torrie Wilson had a sex tape at first, and it was hot if you're into staring at a bed cover for two minutes. Shane Douglas tried to one-up Billy Kidman by making his own sex tape with Torrie Wilson, but it ended up not working because Shane Douglas couldn't get an erection.
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MassRafTer posted:Hey everyone, I am going to run a different Survivor II tournament than I originally announced. Instead of workrate we're going to vote on THE STUPIDEST poo poo WCW EVER DID. I'd like 25 entries but we may go higher. Ideally these things should be a single event, aka Hiring Vince Russo, not THE WHOLE NEW BLOOD ANGLE or The Starrcade 97 Main Event not THE NWO NEVER LOSING! You can consider the build to something as part of that (like how Sting vs Hogan was built for a year, or how the dumb build to Warrior/Hogan made the match dumber.) This is the most exciting thing.
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Does letting Benoit win the title warrant a separate spot from letting the Radicals leave? Same with the April 2000 reboot and bringing Vince Russo back. How was the Mike Awesome lawsuit a dumb WCW thing? I thought the lawsuit was only to prevent the ECW title from appearing on TV. If anything it prevented them from being stupid like the Madusa thing. Turning Goldberg heel was worse than a lot of the dumb but harmless booking.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Does letting Benoit win the title warrant a separate spot from letting the Radicals leave? How is that stupid? He deserved the title and the other option was a lot worse - Tank.
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bobkatt013 posted:How is that stupid? He deserved the title and the other option was a lot worse - Tank. It was also a last ditch effort to get him to stay.
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Judy Bagwell tag-team champion Judy Bagwell on a pole match.
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bobkatt013 posted:How is that stupid? He deserved the title and the other option was a lot worse - Tank. I guess it was stupid because he was leaving the company anyway, and they just put the title on him in a panic to hopefully get him to stay. At least that's the way I remember the story going.
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bobkatt013 posted:How is that stupid? He deserved the title and the other option was a lot worse - Tank. I would say any time the WCW Champion is someone not employed by your company for even 24 more hours, it is a stupid move!
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The Dungeon of Doom's longevity still manages to confuse the hell out of me. It existed for 3+ years. How?
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e: ^^Sullivan was booking Maybe giving Sullivan the book in 2000 should be on the list since that includes the idiotic title change and letting Benoit etc. walk out.
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MassRafTer posted:Hey everyone, I am going to run a different Survivor II tournament than I originally announced. Instead of workrate we're going to vote on THE STUPIDEST poo poo WCW EVER DID. I'd like 25 entries but we may go higher. Ideally these things should be a single event, aka Hiring Vince Russo, not THE WHOLE NEW BLOOD ANGLE or The Starrcade 97 Main Event not THE NWO NEVER LOSING! You can consider the build to something as part of that (like how Sting vs Hogan was built for a year, or how the dumb build to Warrior/Hogan made the match dumber.) - Smoking Giant - title-holder Meng on a handshake contract, leaves for WWF - Horseman Steve "Mongo" McMichael - Asya (BIGGER THAN CHYNA) - Last Call Scott Hall - The York Foundation, and the Laptop that could calculate how to defeat people - As Booker T is starting to get over, saddle him with poo poo like feuding over the "T", and GI Bro
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Red posted:- The York Foundation, and the Laptop that could calculate how to defeat people Ok now you're just posting awesome things
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