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Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


If you have to have the pen shipped from within the United States, try iSellPens. He sells Jinhao 599s for the same price as Chinese ebay sellers, only without the free shipping.

Also: I'm pretty sure he stocks 159s and x450s.

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SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Iron Chef Nex posted:

I have a bunch of Jinhao - you can find almost any of their low-end models on ebay for <$6. They all have tended to write really nice, very smooth nibs, but they all have also had some flow issues, drying up a bit between uses.

I've been playing with my new Jinhao 599 lately (their Lamy Safari knock-off) and it is absolutely the smoothest writing little bastard that I've played with for anything near its price.
Good to know. I just noticed them because they were stupid cheap - I don't want to spend more than say, $15 in case I lose it or it explodes on the plane or something.

Welsper
Jan 14, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

rio posted:

What ink is that? :fap:

Pilot Iroshizuku Kon-Peki.

QuiteEasilyDone
Jul 2, 2010

Won't you play with me?
I lost the cap to a TWISBI Vac 700 today :negative:

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

QuiteEasilyDone posted:

I lost the cap to a TWISBI Vac 700 today :negative:

I lost an entire vac 700 a couple weeks ago. Don't feel too bad.

SnakesRevenge
Dec 29, 2008

Remember the basics of CQC, Snake!

QuiteEasilyDone posted:

I lost the cap to a TWISBI Vac 700 today :negative:

Email customer service. When I busted the cap on mine Philip replaced it for me right away and only asked for shipping.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

SubponticatePoster posted:

Good to know. I just noticed them because they were stupid cheap - I don't want to spend more than say, $15 in case I lose it or it explodes on the plane or something.
The usual rule applies: you should probably get a Pilot Metropolitan. Still in the $15 range, and made by a manufacturer with actual quality control.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

SubponticatePoster posted:

Good to know. I just noticed them because they were stupid cheap - I don't want to spend more than say, $15 in case I lose it or it explodes on the plane or something.

It's hard to recommend something over the Metro for a budget that slim. It performs above its price range and it comes with both a cartridge and converter, so no matter what your setup it's ready to go out of the box (after a cleaning of course ;) ). Even if you spend $6 to 10 on a pen that's good, for just a few bucks more you could get a pen that gives the TWSBI Diamond 580 some competition. Some people love Jinhao, but I haven't really seen a Chinese pen that was worth it considering how much you actually save and the quality control they have.

djinndarc
Dec 20, 2012

"I'm Bender, baby, please insert liquor!"

SubponticatePoster posted:

Good to know. I just noticed them because they were stupid cheap - I don't want to spend more than say, $15 in case I lose it or it explodes on the plane or something.

It's already been said, but get a Metropolitan. Even if your budget was more than $15, I think everybody should own at least 1 Metro.

QuiteEasilyDone
Jul 2, 2010

Won't you play with me?

SnakesRevenge posted:

Email customer service. When I busted the cap on mine Philip replaced it for me right away and only asked for shipping.

I already did and it's already on the way. $3 for shipping

dino.
Mar 28, 2010

Yip Yip, bitch.

SubponticatePoster posted:

Good to know. I just noticed them because they were stupid cheap - I don't want to spend more than say, $15 in case I lose it or it explodes on the plane or something.

We should add "the answer is always to get a pilot metro" because it really is. Get one. From amazon it'll get to you quickly. Don't pop on the cartridge before getting on the plane. Wait until you arrive at your location. Also, for refills on the metro, get the 4.5 oz bottle of noodler's ink. The eye dropped fits in the hole in the cartridge.

teraflame
Jan 7, 2009
Wow getting my Vanishing Point fixed will have a turnaround time of 4 weeks.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde
Ok. I'll get a Metro instead. Isellpens has 'em for about $15 right now.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

dino. posted:

We should add "the answer is always to get a pilot metro" because it really is.
Someone should pm a mod, get the thread title changed.

RustedChrome
Jun 10, 2007

"do not hold the camera obliquely, or the world will seem to be on an inclined plane."
Even though I've been spoiled by pricier pens and don't use my Metro, it's still the one I recommend to people who just want a good, worry free FP to write with.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!

Iron Chef Nex posted:

I have a bunch of Jinhao - you can find almost any of their low-end models on ebay for <$6. They all have tended to write really nice, very smooth nibs, but they all have also had some flow issues, drying up a bit between uses.

I've been playing with my new Jinhao 599 lately (their Lamy Safari knock-off) and it is absolutely the smoothest writing little bastard that I've played with for anything near its price.

Oh man, I may have to get one of those 599s, they look fab and they're less than half the price of the Hero 359.

Hellbeard
Apr 8, 2002


Please report me if you see me post in GBS so a moderator may bulldoze my account like a palestinian school.

GBS Till Death posted:

Thanks a lot, no, seriously.

1 x Kaweco AL Sport Fountain Pen - Extra Fine Nib - Raw Aluminum Body (KAWECO 10000627) = $76.00
1 x Kaweco Fountain Pen Nib Replacement 060 - Gold - Extra Fine (KAWECO 20000458) = $13.50
1 x Kaweco Sport Pen Clip - Nickel (KAWECO 10000262) = $2.70
1 x Kaweco Squeeze Fountain Pen Converter for Sport Series (KAWECO 10000654) = $3.00
1 x J. Herbin 1670 Anniversary Fountain Pen Ink - 50 ml Bottle - Rouge Hematite (J. HERBIN H150-26) = $20.75
1 x Diamine Fountain Pen Ink - 80 ml - Oxblood Red (DIAMINE INK 7079) = $12.50
1 x J. Herbin Fountain Pen Ink - 30 ml Bottle - Perle Noire (Pearl Black) (J. HERBIN H130-09) = $9.00


At least I got free shipping!



You're welcome! I've got like, 5 pens in my bag at all times but somehow I always opt for the Kaweco Sport. Please report on how awesome it is, with pictures.

Meldonox
Jan 13, 2006

Hey, are you listening to a word I'm saying?
Well poo poo. I knew this would happen eventually, but what a pain. I went to refill my eyedropper Preppy when, upon closing it (and not tightly I swear), a hairline fracture opened along the body and it started seeping ink. Unless it's worth fixing (it's probably not worth fixing) I guess it's time to switch pens. I have a TWSBI 580 and a Lamy Safari that I also use, but not as heavily since this one was a way finer nib than either of them and I use it on a certain writing project where my writing is downright microscopic.

To hell with getting another fragile disposable Preppy. Is the answer one of the new fine-nib Metros, or is there something else that's inexpensive with a decent fine/extra fine nib?

And I guess while I'm at it I should really get another bottle of ink to flesh out my modest collection. 54th Mass, Ancient Copper, and Alt-Goldgrun are pretty nice but I'm sure there's something else I should take into consideration. My sample of Noodler's Black was pretty nice, a really impressively black black, but how boring. And of course this is a good excuse to grab a cheap notebook or two, maybe a Dotpad and something a little more portable. Any suggestions offered will be taken under serious consideration.

It just figures that breaking a four dollar pen is going to wind up costing me a bunch, but I knew what I was getting into. At least my hands look cool right now.

Nebraska Tim
Feb 2, 2010

Meldonox posted:

To hell with getting another fragile disposable Preppy. Is the answer one of the new fine-nib Metros, or is there something else that's inexpensive with a decent fine/extra fine nib?
As predicted, I will recommend the Metro, and if you like italic nibs, it is interchangeable with the Pilot Plumage if you're willing to spend $10 more.

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
I wish the purple Metro didn't have that drat leopard print on it. :( I don't really have anything with a fine nib and I'd love to have a purple Metro.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Nebraska Tim posted:

As predicted, I will recommend the Metro, and if you like italic nibs, it is interchangeable with the Pilot Plumage if you're willing to spend $10 more.

Seconded. In general, Japanese pens have nibs that run about a size finer than "western" pens, especially if you go into F and below. A Lamy 2000 EF lays a line somewhat thicker than a Pilot F.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde
Ok, pulling the trigger on a Metro from isellpens, any ink recommendations. I'd prefer either a black or sepia.

djinndarc
Dec 20, 2012

"I'm Bender, baby, please insert liquor!"

SubponticatePoster posted:

Ok, pulling the trigger on a Metro from isellpens, any ink recommendations. I'd prefer either a black or sepia.

I'm kind of staying away from noodlers right now, so I'd say waterman black, pilot/namiki black, or irishizuku take-sumi.

For noodlers , noodlers black and heart of darkness are hard to beat. I liked dark matter personally, but some folks don't care for it, and I don't think it is bulletproof.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

SubponticatePoster posted:

Ok, pulling the trigger on a Metro from isellpens, any ink recommendations. I'd prefer either a black or sepia.

For black, I'd recommend Noodler's "Heart of Darkness" or Waterman's black. No personal experience with the Waterman's but it's supposed to be the jam.

I've been wanting a sepia and have tried a few samples. Noodler's Whaleman's Sepia is a really nice colour, but it's an awful starter and expensive as hell. If you want a lighter one that's really immediately noticable as a sepia, Diamine's sepia is a really nice one. If you want something that's more subtle but still noticable, J. Herbin's "Lie de Thé" is my favourite. It's a beautiful colour and behaves nicely even in my F Kakuno.

SnakesRevenge
Dec 29, 2008

Remember the basics of CQC, Snake!
So I've got like a billion ink samples and I've been thinking of compiling a list of inks that don't stain/stick and are good for demonstrators. Would anyone here be interested in that when I get into gear and get it put together?

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

SnakesRevenge posted:

So I've got like a billion ink samples and I've been thinking of compiling a list of inks that don't stain/stick and are good for demonstrators. Would anyone here be interested in that when I get into gear and get it put together?

Yes! I feel like a lot of people in this thread use demonstrators as it is.

ACRE & EQUAT
Aug 28, 2004

FUNERAL BREADS
WAR BREAD

Strangelet Wave posted:



(Here's the link where I learned Italic handwriting: http://www.freehandwriting.net/educational.html Took me about a month to get fluent with it. I'm still not anywhere near as neat as an actual calligrapher.)

Hey, this was posted a while ago but I would like to emulate your impressive handwriting for similar lab book and grading purposes :hydrogen:

Is that link the only resource you used or were there others?

Duro
May 1, 2013

by Lowtax

SubponticatePoster posted:

Ok, pulling the trigger on a Metro from isellpens, any ink recommendations. I'd prefer either a black or sepia.

The only black worth owning is Aurora Black

As for Sepia, I'd go with Visconti Sepia but I don't have much experience with that color. I know there was another really nice one but I can't recall

Daerc
Sep 23, 2007

Look! A door! This must mean something!

SubponticatePoster posted:

Ok, pulling the trigger on a Metro from isellpens, any ink recommendations. I'd prefer either a black or sepia.

It might look a little dark from an extra-fine, but Iroshizuku Yama-Guri might be a good match for the sepia option. Noodler's #41 Brown might also be a good option, though it has the standard Noodler's issue of nib creep and might be a bit too golden brown.

As far as actual black goes though, most of the good brands make a fine black, and unless you're looking for a specific characteristic there's not a lot to really suggest one instead of another. Having said that, Aurora Black and J Herbin Perle Noire are two of the best black inks that appear black on virtually all mediums, with the biggest writing difference being that J Herbin is a little bit wetter on dry writers, but it is not a permanent ink like Aurora is though neither of these are very good against water. Pilot Black is also a pretty good ink, but it isn't quite as dark so you tend to get a bit of shading with it.

Daerc fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 12, 2014

Strangelet Wave
Nov 6, 2004

Surely you're joking!

ACRE & EQUAT posted:

Hey, this was posted a while ago but I would like to emulate your impressive handwriting for similar lab book and grading purposes :hydrogen:

Is that link the only resource you used or were there others?

Thanks! I also used a book called "Italic Calligraphy & Handwriting: Exercises & Text" by Lloyd. J. Reynolds, but really the most important thing is practice. I started keeping a journal, and I keep scrap paper at my desk for doodling and letterform practice.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
I thought Aurora Black was nonpermanent

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

PRADA SLUT posted:

I thought Aurora Black was nonpermanent

I've heard that it's water resistant once fully dry.

Noodler's Borealis Black is like Aurora Black, except darker and not as well-behaved. I like it though :shobon:

Daerc
Sep 23, 2007

Look! A door! This must mean something!

PRADA SLUT posted:

I thought Aurora Black was nonpermanent

I was thinking it was. I checked with a piece of scrap paper and it's only a bit better than the J Herbin, so I have no clue what ink I was thinking of.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
I knew a thread like this would exist I should have double checked on here first.

So my gf is graduating from law school this week and I wanted to get her something nice and professional. She writes letters fairly often for friends/family/thank yous. I ended up going with a Parker Sonnet, really because it was only name I knew of (there was a factory near where I grew up). Did I do ok?

venus de lmao
Apr 30, 2007

Call me "pixeltits"

Popete posted:

I knew a thread like this would exist I should have double checked on here first.

So my gf is graduating from law school this week and I wanted to get her something nice and professional. She writes letters fairly often for friends/family/thank yous. I ended up going with a Parker Sonnet, really because it was only name I knew of (there was a factory near where I grew up). Did I do ok?

You done good. You done real good.

It's also a cartridge filler, so if she's not a fountain pen geek yet it's pretty easy to deal with.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!
So... trip report of the Pilot Custom 823 with FA nib (special model sold only by this shop) so far.

Short version:
:frogsiren: if you want to spend money go get this pen right now, you don't know what you're missing out on :frogsiren:

Slightly less short version:
* gently caress parcelforce. If I pay for express shipping I want express shipping. I don't want to wait for you guys to twiddle your thumbs for a week before deciding to have your very own customs agents (yes, there's customs agents assigned to parcelforce) read the customs declaration that's right on the loving box so you can finally charge me customs. Did I mention that parcelforce also charge an inflated customs handling fee on top of that which makes them just as expensive as DHL even though they're a poo poo company compared to DHL :argh:

* The Pilot 823 is a really solidly made pen. It is much harder to scratch than most other expensive plastic pens (Pelikan Souveräns, Montblancs), and it doesn't even show any posting marks from the cap (Pilot engineers must know their materials science). The barrel material is quite thick except for the front, due to the vacuum filling mechanism.

* It looks great - the amber translucent cap and barrel and the brown section go together very well with the gold furniture. Note that it's made to be a tool though, so while it's well polished, if you look closely at the section you can kinda see where it was molded together from two parts (to be fair, if you look that closely, you'll find that Montblanc doesn't consistently polish away all production marks either).

* The nib is only semiflex if you're used to dip pens or century-old flex nibs, but goddamn it's a dream. Writing with it feels like writing on a cushion, with just the right amount of springiness/give as pressure changes when writing to relax my hand without making the pen hard to control. It's perfectly suitable for quick note taking and everyday use; the only nib I'd say comes close is an early-model Pelikan M800 14K nib.
When writing slowly and deliberately, it is possible to shade letters on the downstroke decently well. It doesn't snap back quite as quickly as a good dip pen, but it does so sufficiently with a dry ink. When not flexed, it's basically an EF (as in, western EF) nib so you can write both large and small. Having tried a number of Pilot and Waterman inks, I haven't noticed the nib being hard to start like many reviews have complained about - once I touch the paper, it lays down ink and doesn't skip at all even on very smooth paper. However, note that the nib is more sensitive to writing angle than a normal EF, so if you hold the pen rotated relative to the paper, it will get noticeably less smooth and will skip.

* The vacuum filling mechanism is quite neat to use. Pilot have integrated a "snorkel-lite" into the feed: Unlike youtube videos of the filling mechanism suggest, there is no reason to submerge the entire nib and section in ink to fill the pen. All ink that enters the pen does so through a small hole in the feed, so submerging about 1/3 to 1/2 of the nib guarantees a good fill. If an ink for some reason gums up the mechanism and makes it too stiff to operate, it's possible to unscrew the whole thing by hand (no tools necessary) for cleaning, obviously at your own risk. If you clean it, make sure to have a tiny amount of silicone grease on hand, as the seal between barrel and plunger will otherwise not be air tight anymore.

* Don't wash out Pilot Irushizuku Kon-Peki with tap water - in my case, it precipitated and I had to clean out the filling mechanism

suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 00:13 on May 13, 2014

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Asahiya owns, 823 owns - good choice and glad you like it.

Pilot's high-end tool pens - the 823 and 845 in particular, I think - show that the designers and engineers at Pilot really built them to be presentable, but first and foremost good writers. The inside of the barrel on my ebonite 845 is completely unfinished because it makes no difference to the pen, but the inside rim of the cap has a ring of felt to prevent posting marks and marks on the section when the pen is capped. Detail where it counts, and only where it counts?

Kessel fucked around with this message at 08:59 on May 13, 2014

jacobs
May 13, 2014
I'm not a huge fan of Fountain Pens -- or rather, I have not yet mastered the art of writing with a Fountain Pen yet.

I have a (then $80, now $60) Fine Nib Lamy Fountain Pen that I've used maybe 4 times.

It's sitting in my drawer, anyone want it? I can ship it out if someone wants it.

dino.
Mar 28, 2010

Yip Yip, bitch.

jacobs posted:

I'm not a huge fan of Fountain Pens -- or rather, I have not yet mastered the art of writing with a Fountain Pen yet.

I have a (then $80, now $60) Fine Nib Lamy Fountain Pen that I've used maybe 4 times.

It's sitting in my drawer, anyone want it? I can ship it out if someone wants it.

How much did you want for it? I never took the leap for a lamy because much more than $25 or so was a bit out of my budget, and because there are drat fine pens that cost a lot less than $20. I'd love to have one though, because they are such a neat looking pen.

It's well possible that you don't like a fine nib pen, or that the paper you have isn't very conducive to writing with a fine nib.

I have some Rhodia paper leftover from my class last semester that I can send you, along with a medium nib jinhao, filled with a fairly well behaved ink, if you want to give it a try? Maybe hold off on judgement about fountain penning until you try the different paper/ink?

When I first got the fine nib pens, I hated them because they didn't behave like my broader nib pens. Once I got the right situation for it, all was well.

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Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


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