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Fag Boy Jim posted:There are even 9 teams in NASCAR? There are 9 teams that realistically come to the races to win, guess which 9 are in the cartel? Well really there are 8, but Petty gets grandfathered in and I guess they did just win. And you can kinda sorta almost maybe sorta not really count Furniture Row.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Too bad that's not going to happen. No because it denies them control over their product, and it severely cuts into their funding. Really every one of these teams on down should be getting a HUGE chunk of the merchandising and tv dollars. The reason why people go to NASCAR races is to see those teams. The fact that they get suck a small chunk is ridiculous. Instead it goes directly back to NASCAR itself, (and SMI/Pocono/Dover/IMS). It's why those tracks can host the number events they do. Doesn't matter if there's 2 people in the stands, they still get paid by NASCAR to run the race. Meanwhile every team sees very little in terms of actual pay out. Doesn't help that NASCAR keeps poaching sponsors to sponsor THEMSELVES, then leaving table scraps for quite a few teams.
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elmono311 posted:Could that be explained away just by the general mayhem of the race and could have been caused by normal wear and tear of a plate race? Or was it obviously tampered with? That's the question. That was my first thought as well. Pretty sure they would notice damage from the race right away, rather then the bar being tampered with. Have to wait and see what will come out of this.
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FuzzySkinner posted:No because it denies them control over their product, and it severely cuts into their funding.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:There are even 9 teams in NASCAR? 24 Current teams: ^Ganassi- 1, 42 ^Penske- 2, 12*, 22 ^RCR- 3, 27, 31, 33* ^SHR- 4, 10, 14, 41 ^HMS- 5, 24, 48, 88 ^Roush- 6 (2015), 16, 17, 99 -TBR- 7, 36 ^Petty- 9, 43 ^JGR- 11, 18, 20, Probable 4th car for Carl (2015) -Germain- 13 ^MWR- 15, 55, 66* -Wood Bros.- 21* -BK Racing- 23, 26, 83 -FAS Lane- 32 -Joe Falk- 33, 40 -Front Row- 34, 35, 38 -XXXTreme- 44 -JTG- 47 -Scott- 51 -NEMCO- 66, 87* -Humphrey- 77 -Furniture Row- 78 -Leavine- 95* -PPR- 98 ^- Alliance members *- Part-time cars.
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So LoTR fans got pissed at NASCAR because they couldn't watch their movies (with commercials, cut parts, etc...) because NASCAR happened and another twitter scrum during a Daytona race happened. Best one is NASCAR Wonka. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/nascar-daytona-lord-of-the-rings I request my name to be changed to Lord of the Rings with Jimmie's  grin as my av.
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BMB5150 posted:So LoTR fans got pissed at NASCAR because they couldn't watch their movies (with commercials, cut parts, etc...) because NASCAR happened and another twitter scrum during a Daytona race happened. Best one is NASCAR Wonka. Jeff Burton's is pretty awesome, too.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:14
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I didn't know there were still that many people left who actually watch movies live on cable TV. Or anything live on cable TV, for that matter. Hell, I literally don't even know what channels most of the shows I watch air on these days... 
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Jul 8, 2014 13:33
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Who on earth is that invested in LOTR and would waste their time watching it edited down "for time" with commercials every 5 minutes? edit: "NASCAR ruined a 'Lord Of The Rings' marathon on TNT, and Twitter is revolting", you can say that again.
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Jul 8, 2014 13:43
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You'd think all the geeks who had allotted an entire Sunday to watch a LoTR marathon would have already had the movies on DVD AND Blu-ray, which would probably give them a digital copy, too. Honesty time: I fell asleep during the first LoTR movie and didn't even try to watch the others. dennyk posted:I didn't know there were still that many people left who actually watch movies live on cable TV. Or anything live on cable TV, for that matter. Hell, I literally don't even know what channels most of the shows I watch air on these days... Well, when most of them air canned "reality" shows like Duck Dynasty, Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo, Storage Wars, and other shows which have a lazy "Noun, Verb" combination, there's not much to shoot for to watch.
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Jul 8, 2014 14:18
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I had difficulty telling when lord of the rings switched from smegal to kyle petty.
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Jul 8, 2014 18:12
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Lord of the Rings on TV? That's gotta be like 5 hours per movie, jesus christ people.
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Seriously I don't think I know anyone under the age of 50 that actually would watch a monkey fighting movie on TV.
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I watched some of it later in the day. It's good on the background while sittin on the internet. I know multiple people who had it on too...it would be funny to see the ratings for LOTR vs NASCAR. LOTR has to get a lot of viewers, they do those marathons like twice a month.
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Cygni posted:I watched some of it later in the day. It's good on the background while sittin on the internet. Watch NASCAR saying they had great ratings for the first few minutes of the NASCAR race. All sorts of people watched for NASCAR and totally not LoTR.
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I think this is huge news and does deliver the first semblance of balance to NASCAR since...maybe forever. While I don't lose much sleep over the owners, I will be thrilled if they can cut down on NASCAR stealing away sponsors because that's lovely. Also, if you're one of the teams that didn't join what is your angle? You gotta figure that you're too small to matter and that when/if the RTA does successfully negotiate a bigger piece of the pie these smaller teams are going to be the ones who need a cut of it the most. More importantly I see the RTA as cracking NASCAR's armor. The real fight, and the real victory, will be getting the drivers to unionize. Right now the teams and the drivers may be on the same side with a common enemy, but that won't always be the case. Get the drivers a seat at the table and now we're talking about World War III. And you guys do realize that if the RTA ever does play hardball and boycotts a race that we have to be in solidarity with them. If we watch the race then all of the bitching we've been doing for years will be wasted breath.
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I mainly want this to go down in flames and for NASCAR to die.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I mainly want this to go down in flames and for NASCAR to die. I want NASCAR to die, but I want Stock Car racing to still very much be a thing. I also very much still want to see Daytona to still very much be a thing. I don't like the fact NASCAR has control over almost everything related to auto racing in this country. I don't like ISC, and the fact that they sanction TUSC isn't good things for the sport. Kill NASCAR, but long live Daytona and long live stock car racing.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I mainly want this to go down in flames and for NASCAR to die. Eh, I just want Brian France to get comeuppance, competent leadership, and maybe a better product on track. If the Columbus Blue Jackets can be miraculously unfucked, so can NASCAR.
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Jul 9, 2014 05:48
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This isn't CART, the NASCAR team owners aren't stupid enough to shoot their own money maker in the face. The value of their teams has been going down, and they want a unified front to cut costs and get a bigger piece of the series sponsor/TV revenue to boost their own valuations. Its not sexy drama-porn, its organized charter flights and getting sliced in on series sponsor money.
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Brad Daugherty mentioned that the priamry goals of the RTA are for the teams to get more of the TV money and for costs to come down.
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RTA is such a boring name. I propose we call it the Owner's Cartel.
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NASCARtel. Or the CARtel.Cygni posted:Its not sexy drama-porn, its organized charter flights and getting sliced in on series sponsor money. The NASCAR Air Force has been dwindling for years and probably will even more, now. Hendrick, Gibbs, RCR, SHR, and Roush still have their own team planes (varying from 50 seat regional jets to 727s), but combined charters have been growing. Two of these were in and out of town for the 400, and there was the incident where one got stuck in the grass in Concord when trying to leave: http://www.miamiair.com/fleet_737_800.asp
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Apparently Brian France was at Wharton business school for reasons other than using the coke machine. http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/nascar-digital-world-making-devices-part-race/ quote:An advantage of being part of a family-owned business, France said, is that “it takes a little pressure off,” in that it allows him to “take some risks” and “take [a] longer view” in NASCAR’s business strategy. In most sports initiatives, he added, the CEO is answerable to key owners in the league. But in France’s case, “I don’t have to [get buy-in from] 32 different people to set priorities and set the agenda. That’s obviously very helpful.” Along with the ability to take more risks comes more allowance for trial and error, he noted. quote:But after several drivers openly made negative comments, France told them, “Hey fellas, this is like owning a restaurant and saying to people, ‘Come on in, but you know, the food is not going to be very good.’” He instituted a policy that going forward, drivers who attacked a product would incur a significant fine. “Even though I made the mistake of not getting enough buy-in, I obviously couldn’t accept [their behavior],” he noted. quote:One type of fan that France said is essential to develop is millennials (those born from approximately 1980-2000). He called this effort the number-one focus of NASCAR’s strategy. To that end, NASCAR has boosted its digital presence in recent years, including the 2013 re-acquisition of its digital rights from Turner Sports. The company has also launched a partnership with Twitter and created an official iPhone app. France said 100 employees manage NASCAR.com, and the organization’s drivers are highly encouraged to have a strong social media presence. If the class was on anything but on how elite MBA's need to learn how to deal with airhead inheritor owners, I'd be writing to the dean.
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quote:The lesson that France took from the experience was that it’s important to get everyone aligned up front, even if takes a battle. “People have their own interests; some people don’t agree with you, and you have to spend the time to wear them down or at least make sure they’re on board.” If you can't join 'em, beat 'em until they join you.
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"One type of fan that France said is essential to develop is millennials (those born from approximately 1980-2000). He called this effort the number-one focus of NASCAR’s strategy" What the gently caress. Guys were gonna target them there kids by using a twitter account and not by, you know, making our product interesting at all. Kill everyone involved in marketing, tia Peanut President fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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I also like that they mention that they took back control of NASCAR.com from Turner Sports, when Turner Sports had actually been doing a really good job with it, and the current NASCAR.com is a loving abomination.
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quote:France said 100 employees manage NASCAR.com, and the organization’s drivers are highly encouraged to have a strong social media presence. Of course, this would be better too if Dale Jr. wasn't the only driver worth following by a factor of ten.
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I actually find following NASCAR media people to be more interesting than I do the drivers themselves, which might be in part because you never can tell if many of the drivers themselves are tweeting or if it's some PR handler doing the work.
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100 people work on NASCAR.com? Thats so embarrassing.
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Cygni posted:100 people work on NASCAR.com? Thats so embarrassing. 90 of them take turns on the bikes to keep it powered.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I also like that they mention that they took back control of NASCAR.com from Turner Sports, when Turner Sports had actually been doing a really good job with it, and the current NASCAR.com is a loving abomination. This times a hundred. When NASCAR took over the site, they laid off the editorial staff and deleted all their articles. Mark Aumann, who did the feature on my site in 2010, is now semi-retired and doing production work for the PGA. quote:One type of fan that France said is essential to develop is millennials (those born from approximately 1980-2000). He called this effort the number-one focus of NASCAR’s strategy. To that end, NASCAR has boosted its digital presence in recent years, including the 2013 re-acquisition of its digital rights from Turner Sports. The company has also launched a partnership with Twitter and created an official iPhone app. France said 100 employees manage NASCAR.com, and the organization’s drivers are highly encouraged to have a strong social media presence. If I were nine years old today instead of in 1991, I wonder if I'd get hooked on today's product. I honestly don't know.
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LASTCAR posted:If I were nine years old today instead of in 1991, I wonder if I'd get hooked on today's product. I honestly don't know. I think with how good the LASTCAR runnings have been compared to the early 90s you'd be a major fan.
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Peanut President posted:Guys were gonna target them there kids by using a twitter account and not by, you know, making our product interesting at all. But the new points system will surely bring more excitement to the series?
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LASTCAR posted:If I were nine years old today instead of in 1991, I wonder if I'd get hooked on today's product. I honestly don't know. They're talking about kids from 1980-2000, correct? I was a big fan of the sport from 1992-2005ish. I had diecasts, favorite drivers and quite a few things related to the sport. My father also followed it pretty hardcore back in the day. You know what pushed me away? Exactly what Brian France is talking about. It became like I was watching "American Idol" more so than I was watching auto racing. The audience he was talking about? He HAD. He seriously did. He pushed them away though.
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You know what I find helps? DVR the race and skip the 2 hours of BULLSHIT pre-race. Seriously, it works wonders.
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OnlyJuanMon posted:You know what I find helps? DVR the race and skip the 2 hours of BULLSHIT pre-race. Skip the 2 hours of commercials during the race, skip to the next restart after the field lines up in parade formation, watch the last 20-50 laps. NASCAR is a half hour sporting event.
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Slickdrac posted:Skip the 2 hours of commercials during the race, skip to the next restart after the field lines up in parade formation, watch the last 20-50 laps.
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I remember watching races with my grandfather when I was young when Richard petty or Bill Elliot would flat out dominate, and I was still entertained by cars going in circles. Maybe we expect too much these days?
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