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Malcolm XML posted:
about 13,000 servers
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 17:51 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 13:19 |
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ahmeni posted:why are you being so goddamn verbose when you should just be saying use Puppet and Splunk lol ok grandpa more like ansible and logstash
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 18:46 |
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lets just shell out half a million for a splunk license - an idiot
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 18:47 |
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i know nothing about ansible but it's not written in ruby so it can't be that bad
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 18:58 |
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yeah it owns
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 19:00 |
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Mr Dog posted:Fedora because it uses GNOME 3 by default and doesn't try to "fix" it in stupid ways
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 19:12 |
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https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 19:27 |
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Rahu posted:Is there any way to make alt tab work in a not-stupid way in gnome 3? I like it apart from that but its super annoying. Go into Settings, and then the Keyboard page, and switch the Keyboard shortcut from "Switch Applications" to "Switch Windows". And then there's some additional switches in gnome-tweak-tool about Alt-Tab and grouping and previews.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 19:30 |
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Thanks
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 19:45 |
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ahmeni posted:why are you being so goddamn verbose when you should just be saying use Puppet and Splunk splunk is really good but also prohibitively expensive for most things puppet is fine but it's not the only choice. i don't really care what you use. any cfg mgmt is better than no cfg mgmt. even if it's bcfg2. (but i'll refuse to work for you if you make me touch bcfg2, gently caress you)
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 20:40 |
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Berkshire Hunts posted:splunk has the most irritating license model. realtalk bsd what are you using for your log centralization? the place i mentioned with huge volume was doing it all with homebrew code at my current job it's logstash writing into a pretty good-size elasticsearch cluster. much simpler.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 20:41 |
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Mr Dog posted:Fedora because it uses GNOME 3 by default and doesn't try to "fix" it in stupid ways fedora also ships the "kde spin," an installer that sets all the defaults to kde out of the box. this is a much more pleasant setup for normal human beings who don't want to ~*~ revolutionize human/computer interaction ~*~ while they get email and write code
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 20:43 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the place i mentioned with huge volume was doing it all with homebrew code Elk stack is cool as hell
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 22:43 |
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we use graylog2 backed by elasticsearch it's nice
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 23:01 |
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why oh why is this not the default? of course, this doesn't help me since i'm using unity. anyway, as a desktop linux user of 10 years, alt-tab is probably the thing I hate the most right now. one the one hand, that seems spoiled, since it used to be poo poo like having to compile audio drivers from source. on the other hand, this hits me multiple times EVERY DAY ARRRHGH
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 23:31 |
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crazypenguin posted:why oh why is this not the default? stop using terrible poo poo instead, install kde or xfce and get on with your day. it's like magic: you start kde and it has all of the normal interface touches you expect buttons in the right place. alt tab behavior that works. a clock. a start menu. shocking!
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 23:36 |
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crazypenguin posted:why oh why is this not the default? no idea.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 23:39 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:install kde never install kde
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 23:44 |
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graph posted:never install kde or at least wait until 5 comes out so your eyes don't melt
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 00:23 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:stop using terrible poo poo Until KDE 5. Then it will be broken for a couple years before it's usable again.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 00:26 |
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Rahu posted:Until KDE 5. Then it will be broken for a couple years before it's usable again. kde has split the project into pieces, and for kde "plasma" 5, the desktop piece, it looks like they actually intend for it to be working and useful on day one. http://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/ it is lookin' pretty fancy. i won't actually use it until it is packaged by debian though
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 00:34 |
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never use kde
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:39 |
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puppet is not the only choice but its one of the better choices because your management stuff should be a description of what a server should look like, not a bespoke set of scripts
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:43 |
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ansible is declarative fuckerb1tch
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:47 |
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Rahu posted:Until KDE 5. Then it will be broken for a couple years before it's usable again. kde 5 works, but right now it's more like a release preview since a lot of the nice things they were showing off aren't actually done yet. it already looks and feels 1000 times better than kde 4 though.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:54 |
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pram posted:ansible is declarative fuckerb1tch gently caress am i thinking of chef
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:57 |
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ahmeni posted:gently caress am i thinking of chef puppet, chef, and ansible are all declarative to some extent. puppet is just the most consistent about it
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:58 |
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deploying anything with an agent is terrible. especially a ruby one lmao
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 01:59 |
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ruby is basically awful and i am currently fighting against a dumb rvm issue because rvm is garbage and rubygems are garbage and this entire system was built from piss
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:05 |
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pram posted:deploying anything with an agent is terrible. especially a ruby one lmao uploading all of the code you intend to use, on every run (literally every five minutes!) is even worse. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jul 24, 2014 |
# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:05 |
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ahmeni posted:ruby is basically awful and i am currently fighting against a dumb rvm issue because rvm is garbage and rubygems are garbage and this entire system was built from piss fortunately the fact that puppet and chef are built on ruby will never affect the end user. chef, inc and puppet labs both ship self-contained packages that don't touch system ruby or require you to mess with gems
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:07 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:uploading all of the code you intend to use, on every run (literally every five minutes!) is even worse. lmfao you are dumb as hell. what kind of puppet module do you have that does something every 5 minutes
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:09 |
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pram posted:lmfao you are dumb as hell. what kind of puppet module do you have that does something every 5 minutes the norm is to run those agents every five minutes, so that you have enforcement and auditing and reporting, not just a one-off configuration. for remote command execution and deployments and poo poo, you use mco/pushy/salt/ansible, not a cfg mgmt agent. that's one of the issues with ansible: it doesn't know exactly what it is.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:13 |
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no that is dumb, why the gently caress would you run puppet every 5 minutes. who is logging into your system to change stuff after its been deployed either way if you're not masterless it still has to check the manifest so youre wrong. puppet is still basically doing everything ansible does over the network
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:16 |
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and if it is masterless then youre not enforcing poo poo
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:17 |
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pram posted:no that is dumb, why the gently caress would you run puppet every 5 minutes. who is logging into your system to change stuff after its been deployed idiot sysadmins, and worse, developers it doesn't matter how many "This file was installed by puppet. Local changes will be reverted" preambles you stick at the top of configs pram posted:either way if you're not masterless it still has to check the manifest so youre wrong. puppet is still basically doing everything ansible does over the network uh no. it's not uploading megs of code on every run. and it knows when its manifest is unchanged. for perspective, the chef runtime is 130 MB. that's all data you're not uploading. i don't have a puppet system at hand right now but it ain't far off.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:47 |
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ansible doesnt upload itself lol it opens an ssh connection
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:48 |
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pram posted:ansible doesnt upload itself lol it opens an ssh connection yeah, and anything it runs on the other side has to be uploaded. for instance, the cfg management system.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:49 |
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you are so profoundly dumb. ansible is idempotent just like puppet checking its manifest. it still has to connect to the master and check the hash, just like ansible
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:49 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 13:19 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah, and anything it runs on the other side has to be uploaded. for instance, the cfg management system. no
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 02:50 |