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Professor Shark posted:Thanks, can we hug this out? Consider it hugged out. Y'know, I'm fine with the show not exploring the mystery of why/where are they now, but it will be kind of lame if they don't ever cover the actual moment of disappearance in more detail at some point. thathonkey fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Holy Wayne is Black Sybok. He wants to share his knowledge of Sha Ka Ree. Hug style.
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thathonkey posted:Consider it hugged out. It appears that there are some important details relating to what was going on in different people's lives leading up to the departure that they are unveiling as the series rolls on, like the fact that Laurie and the head of the GR knew each other before the event or that the chief appears to have been having an affair leading up to the event, and I expect we'll see more of those details revealed. I don't expect they will ever attempt to explain why the departure happened or why certain people disappeared, though. That's just so far from the point of the show. I feel like that was the episode they really needed at this point in the show. Well played, HBO. tadashi fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Aug 4, 2014 14:00
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Nora really shouldn't shack up with Garvey since she just found out both her husband and Garvey are cheaters. But he is hot so. The weird snuff/masochistic need-to-feel-alive intro was creepy as hell, as is buying fresh non-eaten groceries for 3 years either just in case her kids come back or because she refuses to let go. The entire episode seemed like it was being filmed through a yellow filter, and with the behavior of the hotel staff, it gave off a vibe of an unreliable narrator/camera, that maybe Nora was going crazy as much as Garvey is. Wayne's acting was great. Making out with the surrogate corpse was funny too.
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tadashi posted:I don't expect they will ever attempt to explain why the departure happened or why certain people disappeared, though. That's just so far from the point of the show. Oh yeah, totally fine with that!
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Aug 4, 2014 17:08
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Sober posted:Wow, Carrie Coon is only 33? She kinda looks a bit older on the show for some reason but I think she's still pretty drat hot. Looks like she did theater for years with just small roles on TV. I thought she was Molly Parker (House of Cards, Deadwood) all the way up until this episode. Coon is a much better actor.
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Aug 4, 2014 17:34
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Another great episode. I know once they start to get a little more explanatory it will likely fall apart, but aside from (I think it was the) third episode, it's been pretty strong.
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IMB posted:Another great episode. I know once they start to get a little more explanatory it will likely fall apart, but aside from (I think it was the) third episode, it's been pretty strong. The third episode was as good as (if not better than) this episode. Well, in my opinion at least. That was a Matt-centered one.
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That was some beautiful television. I hope the final line of the whole series is "It was high-sugar cereals the whole time."
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Lrigwoc posted:The third episode was as good as (if not better than) this episode. Well, in my opinion at least. That was a Matt-centered one. Yeah, I was wrong. It was the one after the Matt episode that wasn't any good. For some reason I thought Matt's episode was episode 2.
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So is Wayne for real or just a charismatic dude, good at reading people, taking advantage of a world where people are a lot more likely to believe in magic?
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JayMax posted:So is Wayne for real or just a charismatic dude, good at reading people, taking advantage of a world where people are a lot more likely to believe in magic? Most likely they'll leave that ambiguous forever. We're shown that he is for real, and it plays with our bias towards skepticism in the real world.
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JayMax posted:So is Wayne for real or just a charismatic dude, good at reading people, taking advantage of a world where people are a lot more likely to believe in magic? What interests me about Wayne is whatever it is that the people who see him give up in exchange for having their pain taken away. Yes, they pay him, but I can't shake the feeling that they are giving something of themselves away along with the pain, and that strikes me as being intensely creepy. Nora's episode ending with her receiving her first ever "no" response to question 121 makes me think that something within or about her has changed as a result of seeing Wayne, and not necessarily for the better. messagemode1 posted:Most likely they'll leave that ambiguous forever. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Ersatz posted:What interests me about Wayne is whatever it is that the people who see him give up in exchange for having their pain taken away. Yes, they pay him, but I can't shake the feeling that they are giving something of themselves away along with the pain, and that strikes me as being intensely creepy. Nora's episode ending with her receiving her first ever "no" response to question 121 makes me think that something within or about her has changed as a result of seeing Wayne, and not necessarily for the better. And don't forget that there have been references that Wayne's baby is the "anti-christ"
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Wayne is no more real than the Guilty Remnant or Jim Jones, he just understands the nuances of how some people feel about the departures, and he can verbalize this to them. They know or understand they feel this way but they can't or won't talk about it and they're all wound up. He didn't do or say anything that even remotely suggested abilities beyond reason. If you guys mean 'real' in that he actually has an effect on people, then duh, that's kind of part of being a cult leader.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Wayne is no more real than the Guilty Remnant or Jim Jones, he just understands the nuances of how some people feel about the departures, and he can verbalize this to them. They know or understand they feel this way but they can't or won't talk about it and they're all wound up. He didn't do or say anything that even remotely suggested abilities beyond reason. This would be my take, except this show keeps toying with random, ambiguously supernatural elements. The issue with the question on the departure form is the best example from this episode. The show actively dismisses the idea that she's influencing the respondents in some way by making it clear that she's getting 100% positive responses with no variation, and then drives the point home at the end of the episode. I doubt that's something that'll ever be addressed, just like Wayne, but the writers are pretty clearly trying to create mysteries that are open to supernatural explanations.
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I think it's pretty obvious she was influencing the question by looking distraught/sad as she asked it, forcing the people to answer Yes for her sake, not their own. Now that she has had that weight lifted the pain isn't in her face when she asks the question and now she can receive an honest answer.
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Paradoxish posted:This would be my take, except this show keeps toying with random, ambiguously supernatural elements. The issue with the question on the departure form is the best example from this episode. The show actively dismisses the idea that she's influencing the respondents in some way by making it clear that she's getting 100% positive responses with no variation, and then drives the point home at the end of the episode. I doubt that's something that'll ever be addressed, just like Wayne, but the writers are pretty clearly trying to create mysteries that are open to supernatural explanations. ^^^ e: f;b
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I think my ideal end to this season is another rapture happens except it's like 90% of the population this time.
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Sober posted:It would be interesting to see exactly if Nora is assigned people who needs the form filled out or she works in Mapleton. But I suppose it doesn't matter because the whole thesis of that part of her was supposed to say that was she kinda giving off that vibe unintentionally because of her view of the world in the wake of the departure of her entire family. Yeah, but 100%? There wasn't a single person that overlooked the way she asked the question? Seems a bit odd, but humanity is seemingly losing its mind, after all.
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Sober posted:But I suppose it doesn't matter because the whole thesis of that part of her was supposed to say that was she kinda giving off that vibe unintentionally because of her view of the world in the wake of the departure of her entire family. This is a perfectly valid interpretation, but my point is that the 100% figure serves no purpose except to leave room for a more open-ended explanation. How many interviewers are there doing this? How many people has Nora interviewed? Out of all the interviewers in the US, she's the only one getting a 100% positive response rate? You could play this out in exactly the same way by saying that she's receiving significantly more positive responses than anyone else, but instead the writers chose to use a figure that's exceptionally unlikely.
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It's also interesting that it's one of the (possibly only?) opinion questions on the form that we know of. The rest seem to be asked for the sole purpose of finding a pattern. This one has no bearing on anything and is kind of like, unprofessional? Can't tell if that's bad writing or good writing.
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Tomahawk posted:I think my ideal end to this season is another rapture happens except it's like 90% of the population this time.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:He didn't do or say anything that even remotely suggested abilities beyond reason. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Ersatz posted:It's not so much what Wayne does or says - it's the mismatch between what Wayne does and says and the incredible results that he's getting that suggest that something supernatural might be happening. Wayne has an apparently perfect track record of getting people from incredible pain to lastingly OK in the space of a few minutes, through nothing more than hugs and some clever and empathetic words. He is predicting his own death, persecuted by the authorities, seemingly actually being supernatural to some extent. Where have I heard that before...... The fact that he has a "problem" with underage asian jailbait and his followers willing to kill and die for him makes him a rather interesting "Jesus" figure for our times.
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Maybe Wayne is Satan or something. Him peddling this too-good-to-be-true happy feelings and relief stuff seems suspect since it's like letting people off the hook for feeling bad about what happened and maybe allowing them to avoid reflecting on their own lives.
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NihilistCanada posted:He is predicting his own death, persecuted by the authorities, seemingly actually being supernatural to some extent. Where have I heard that before...... along the way posted:Maybe Wayne is Satan or something. Him peddling this too-good-to-be-true happy feelings and relief stuff seems suspect since it's like letting people off the hook for feeling bad about what happened and maybe allowing them to avoid reflecting on their own lives. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Tomahawk posted:I think my ideal end to this season is another rapture happens except it's like 90% of the population this time. messagemode1 posted:I would bet instead that like 2% of the 2% departed come back, raising further questions of why did only certain people come back and where have they been. I'd rather have another 2% disappear or like messagemodel1 said, like 10% come back... or a combination of the two. I think it'd create an interesting dynamic where those that reappeared become celebrities/ hated by those who had loved ones that didn't come back. It'd at least make the GR somewhat more interesting, maybe. I just want Gary Busey back 
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I want the last scene of the season to be a glimpse into the alternate realty where the other 98% of people disappeared. Seeing a world where so few people are left 3 years after the departure would be awesome.
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It doesn't make that much sense for the hotel's security to be on the real Nora's rear end and not even have a visual on the fake Nora who actually threw the bottle, and is sitting at the panel. You'd think they'd look at her badge that says "Nora Durst" and identify her as a persona non grata and kick her out as well as the real Nora. I mean the hotel making a huge clusterfuck out of everything is not completely unrealistic but it's a little dumb when your explanation is "Oh people are incompetent."
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NihilistCanada posted:He is predicting his own death, persecuted by the authorities, seemingly actually being supernatural to some extent. Where have I heard that before...... And Jesus said to the blind man, "Do you have a Paypal account?"
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JayMax posted:And Jesus said to the blind man, "Do you have a Paypal account?"
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JayMax posted:And Jesus said to the blind man, "Do you have a Paypal account?" Have to fund the ministry somehow. Besides have you SEEN the sort of firepower the moneychangers are packing these days?
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JayMax posted:And Jesus said to the blind man, "Do you have a Paypal account?" "Jesus and his lawyer, are coming back" Lawyers don't come cheap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2yy141q8HQ Novocaine for the Soul, how appropriate.
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Paradoxish posted:This is a perfectly valid interpretation, but my point is that the 100% figure serves no purpose except to leave room for a more open-ended explanation. How many interviewers are there doing this? How many people has Nora interviewed? Out of all the interviewers in the US, she's the only one getting a 100% positive response rate? You could play this out in exactly the same way by saying that she's receiving significantly more positive responses than anyone else, but instead the writers chose to use a figure that's exceptionally unlikely. What I really don't get about this part of the episode is that she very clearly sets up a camera before asking the questions every time. If they suspected that she was somehow biasing responses wouldn't they just look at the tapes?
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Wallet posted:What I really don't get about this part of the episode is that she very clearly sets up a camera before asking the questions every time. If they suspected that she was somehow biasing responses wouldn't they just look at the tapes? That's why they asked her if she told them she was a legacy before she sets up the camera and begins the interview.
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Did we ever see or have seen what question #151 (or whichever the one Nora's boss asked her about) was? I paused it at that point but her hands blocked the question so I only saw the "in your opinion" part. Was hoping we'd see the question at the end but it didn't happen. Who was the girl at the end by the school with the kids by the way? A flashback of younger Nora? e: vvv Oh drat you're right. I just rewinded to the first scene with the boss and it is indeed #121 vvv Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:Did we ever see or have seen what question #151 (or whichever the one Nora's boss asked her about) was? I paused it at that point but her hands blocked the question so I only saw the "in your opinion" part. Was hoping we'd see the question at the end but it didn't happen. Who was the girl at the end by the school with the kids by the way? A flashback of younger Nora? It was the question she asked at the end, #121. "Do you believe ____ is in a better place?"
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