UKMT August '14 - BoJo's Brilliant Buran Bazaar

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Lamuella: Jun 26, 2003; It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.

Gort posted:

The Lib Dems aren't going to have a single MP come the next election.

Alistair Carmichael would have to bugger a dog on the steps of St Magnus Cathedral in order to not retain Orkney & Shetland.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 14:53

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 15:12

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Orwell said the future was a jackboot stamping on a human face forever, but it took this thread to pick out the brand.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 15:02

Praseodymi: Aug 26, 2010

Pretty sure it makes sense for the UKMT to buy British products rather than stuff that profits off the image. Jack Wills pisses me off no end, it's all made in China.

UKMT: Bootchat.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 15:13

Rush Limbo: Sep 5, 2005; its with a full house

Comfort is the main factor, but you want to look good at the same time. I mean, you're going to be stomping on that face forever, you don't want to be changing your boots halfway through.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 15:14

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

I got some new boots for ma birthday and they are well good. I can walk about in them and everything.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 15:40

GeeCee: Dec 16, 2004; "You're going to be...amazing."

I swear by magnum spiders. I use mine for airsoft more than anything though.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 16:02

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Gonzo McFee posted:

I got some new boots for ma birthday and they are well good. I can walk about in them and everything.

They were made for it.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 16:16

Rush Limbo: Sep 5, 2005; its with a full house

Gonzo McFee posted:

I got some new boots for ma birthday and they are well good. I can walk about in them and everything.

You walk about in your boots? Jesus what a poser. If you aren't constantly ready to be featured in an Athena poster you can GFTO.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 16:19

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Gonzo McFee posted:

That man is going to become Prime Minister.

It's fairly unlikely to happen, just because of the setup of the Tory leadership elections. While a lot of people like BOZZER LEGERND the grandees in the party will remember that as London Mayor he was very pro-EU and Clarkson-baitingly friendly to cyclists, not to mention his occasionally muttering that maybe the housing market was a teeny tiny bit overvalued, striking at the three core tenets of the swivel-eyed wing of the party. Without a significant proportion of their votes you can't get in as leader - Cameron is easily the most pro-EU Tory leader since Heath, which isn't saying much, and it was only the utter disasters of IDS, Hague, and Howard that made them wind their necks in long enough to get him elected.

The only scenario I can see that ends up with Boris as leader is UKIP grabbing a significant chunk of the Tory vote (unlikely) and the anti-EU wing of the party jumping en masse to the Kippers leaving a rump party of Wets and pro-EU Tories (even less likely - the Tories aren't splitters and have always recognised the wisdom in hanging together). Boris isn't particularly wet but he's carefully cultivated a "Cuddly Tory" image that would fit in with them well, and he's easily the highest-profile non-Dry in the party so he'd be their only chance of retaining electoral significance. Like I say though that's a really tiny chance.

The most likely scenario I see is the Tories limping to a second term then crashing and burning Major-style (especially if Labour get rid of Milliband and get someone who looks a bit less like a lost Martian) then disintegrating back into irrelevance for a couple of elections.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 16:22

Rude Dude With Tude: Apr 19, 2007; Your President approves this text.

lol http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11394985.Immigration_Street_TV_crew_pelted_with_eggs/

Southern Daily Echo posted:

Immigration Street TV crew pelted with eggs in Derby Road in Southampton
Police are investigating after a TV crew filming the controversial Immigration Street series in Southampton were pelted with eggs and flour. Members of the Love Productions team were filming outside a shop in Derby Road when they were targeted by a gang of youths. Members of Newtown Residents' Association said the crew ran off.

Police confirmed that they are investigating the incident, which occurred on Tuesday at just after 5.30pm. A police spokesman said: �We received a report of a public order incident involving a television production crew. �The incident is currently under investigation. No further details are available at this time.� The six-part Immigration Street series is due to be screened next year.

A Channel 4 spokesman said no-one was hurt in the incident. She added: �We intend to continue to film with residents who are very happy to share their experience of living in Derby Road. We would urge anyone who has concerns about their participation to discuss them with the production team.� Love Productions declined to comment on the egg-throwing incident.

Feelings have been running high since plans to film Immigration Street - a sequel to the highly controversial Benefits Street series filmed in Birmingham - were revealed earlier this year. Last month scores of residents attended a public meeting to vent their anger at Love Productions. Their concerns centred on fears that the programme name is racist and does not accurately describe the people who live in Derby Road. Campaigners urging the firm to drop the programme and �go home� and were backed by local councillors and MPs.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:03

Pork Pie Hat: Apr 27, 2011

Hey, you remember dogfucker from the end of the last thread?

Well according to the nme he was sacked from his band, they're going to re-record their new album with guest drummers and donate any profits from album sales to the RSPCA.

Got to keep up with the dogfucker news, thread.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:05

farcry: Jan 18, 2006

just renewed my car insurance but swapped companies. Used to be with direct line and went fishing around now I'm with hastings and its less then half the price, this is crazy everyone remember to look for better deals for any insurance and utilities on a regular basis. When I rang direct line to see what they would offer to compete with it was still a crazy price comparatively.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:08

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Umiapik posted:

Labour: No economic credibility, failing to gain support in Conservative areas, hobbled by Ed Miliband's low opinion poll ratings.

Conservatives: Have failed to reach out to voters beyond their base in the prosperous SE, still widely seen as the 'nasty party', struggling to prevent supporters from defecting to Ukip.

I think Ukip has a good chance of damaging Labour, too. Its message is going to appeal to a lot of Labour's old core voters; namely older men in semi-skilled work. A good chunk of them feel left behind by the modern world and are tempted to blame migration for their woes.

I don't think it's at all clear that UKIP will split only the Tory vote.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:10

Venomous: Nov 7, 2011

So when Labour loses next year, who's going to replace Ed?

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:12

Lamuella: Jun 26, 2003; It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:

lol http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11394985.Immigration_Street_TV_crew_pelted_with_eggs/

Good.

The problem with that production company is they also make the Great British Bake-Off so the middle class commentariat will never turn on them for long.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:17

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Pork Pie Hat posted:

Hey, you remember dogfucker from the end of the last thread?

Well according to the nme he was sacked from his band, they're going to re-record their new album with guest drummers and donate any profits from album sales to the RSPCA.

Got to keep up with the dogfucker news, thread.

ha, that's actually a pretty cool thing to do

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:31

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

mfcrocker posted:

My constituency (Bristol W) will be a good indicator of just how hosed they are. If Stephen Williams goes (I loving hope so) then pretty much no-one is safe.

Bristol West was Labour not long ago (Valerie Davey), and Tory before that, it can't be one of their safer seats.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:37

Alecto: Feb 11, 2014

Zephro posted:

I think Ukip has a good chance of damaging Labour, too. Its message is going to appeal to a lot of Labour's old core voters; namely older men in semi-skilled work. A good chunk of them feel left behind by the modern world and are tempted to blame migration for their woes.

I don't think it's at all clear that UKIP will split only the Tory vote.

I'm surprised people are still saying this. There's no if's or maybe's, UKIP does hurt Labour, it's a statistical fact. The question is does it hurt them in relation to the Conservatives, most of the time the answer is no. In support levels of <20% it harms the Tories the most then Lib Dems then Labour, at 20% it's still the same order but as they exceed that the other two begin to catch the Tories up. Presumably at some absurd point of insane UKIP support Labour do catch the Tories up. The Lib Dem vs Labour question seems wholly dependent on the constituency, but shouldn't much of a factor this GE.

So the evidence suggests UKIP will be an electoral benefit to Labour, despite reducing their overall vote.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:46

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Pork Pie Hat posted:

Hey, you remember dogfucker from the end of the last thread?

Well according to the nme he was sacked from his band, they're going to re-record their new album with guest drummers and donate any profits from album sales to the RSPCA.

Got to keep up with the dogfucker news, thread.

Has he been convicted? I'm not a fan of people being punished before being found guilty in a court of law.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 17:48

ReV VAdAUL: Oct 3, 2004; I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

Its pretty much certain UKIP are going to be trying to hurt Labour even more than they are given their conference is in Doncaster (Ed's seat) next month. A Front National style outflanking from the left (but only for whites) seems a very strong possibility.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 18:20

Answers Me: Apr 24, 2012

mfcrocker posted:

(I'll also laugh if Cleggy loses his seat)

Isn't there a good chance of this happening? His constituency is mostly students, right?

# ? Aug 7, 2014 18:22

ReV VAdAUL: Oct 3, 2004; I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

Answers Me posted:

Isn't there a good chance of this happening? His constituency is mostly students, right?

Yes, it isn't certain but it is highly possible:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/mortarboard/2014/jul/28/sheffield-hallam-students-vote-out-nick-clegg

quote:

The worrying thing for Clegg is that this is entirely possible. He won his seat in the 2010 election by 15,284 votes, but recent approval ratings put Clegg's popularity at an all-time low � and local election results in recent years suggest that his majority might not be as safe as it sounds.

Sheffield Hallam is made up of five council wards which, if you add the numbers together, give a constituency-wide figure for how well each party has been doing. Council election support for the Lib Dems has dropped from around 53% in the years between 2006 and 2010, to somewhere between 31% and 39% since 2010 (with the exception of a by-election in 2013). Labour has picked up the baton and gone from 11-16% to 23-29%.

And a recent ICM poll suggested that Clegg would lose his seat to Labour by 33 points to 23 if respondents didn't change their minds by the 2015 election.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 18:26

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Clegg's more likely to lose his seat to the Tories, to be honest. The last time Labour finished second there was in 1979.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 18:34

Renfield: Feb 29, 2008

BootChat:

I wore out a pair of proper DMs in the 90s, and now only have the made in China softer ones. They just don't fit right- and they didn't make my feet bleed when they where new.

Now, I wander around in these when I want to be loud and cloppy (like a mill-worker, not a pony)

What's more British than Cloggs hand-made in Yorkshire !
(Although I got mine in Rochester, when they came down for the Sweeps festival... Medway is indeed a hole, as someone pointed out)

And, remember to get your slippers in time for winter so we don't have another 'keep warm' derail like last year :p

# ? Aug 7, 2014 20:43

Bozza: Mar 5, 2004; "I'm a really useful engine!"

Post itt if you own DMs (I do).

I also own a pair of God's Own Training Shoes, the Reebok Classic. Prole 4 lyfe.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:27

Praseodymi: Aug 26, 2010

Do you tuck your tracksuit into your socks?

# ? Aug 7, 2014 21:31

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Venomous posted:

So when Labour loses next year, who's going to replace Ed?

Knowing Labour right now, it'll be some awful Blairite. Maybe we'll see David Miliband ride heroically back onto the scene. I suppose Andy Burnham is a more realistic candidate. Can't imagine it being Balls, he's entirely unpopular. But his wife might be in with a shout, Yvette Cooper. Chuka Umunna was being mentioned as a future leader, though he might be too young at this point. And as a socialist I think he'd be a horrible choice for Labour leader, I can see another Blair in him.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:05

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

forkboy84 posted:

Knowing Labour right now, it'll be some awful Blairite. Maybe we'll see David Miliband ride heroically back onto the scene. I suppose Andy Burnham is a more realistic candidate. Can't imagine it being Balls, he's entirely unpopular. But his wife might be in with a shout, Yvette Cooper. Chuka Umunna was being mentioned as a future leader, though he might be too young at this point. And as a socialist I think he'd be a horrible choice for Labour leader, I can see another Blair in him.

Personally, I would love Margaret Hodge to do it, but she is clever enough to know she wants nowt to do with that car crash. Chuka is just an interchangable tory-bot

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:09

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

forkboy84 posted:

Knowing Labour right now, it'll be some awful Blairite. Maybe we'll see David Miliband ride heroically back onto the scene. I suppose Andy Burnham is a more realistic candidate. Can't imagine it being Balls, he's entirely unpopular. But his wife might be in with a shout, Yvette Cooper. Chuka Umunna was being mentioned as a future leader, though he might be too young at this point. And as a socialist I think he'd be a horrible choice for Labour leader, I can see another Blair in him.

It'll most likely be Cooper. Given that Theresa May will be fighting for the Conservative leadership next time it comes around, the fact the Tories will have had two female leaders before Labour had one will smart a lot.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in four years, two of the three parties have female leaders. The question is which one won't.

Trickjaw posted:

Personally, I would love Margaret Hodge to do it, but she is clever enough to know she wants nowt to do with that car crash. Chuka is just an interchangable tory-bot

Or, as I called him, "a walking regex machine".

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:09

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

TinTower posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if, in four years, two of the three parties have female leaders. The question is which one won't.

UKIP, obviously.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:15

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

KayTee posted:

UKIP, obviously.

UKIP doesn't even have a human leader.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:19

Filboid Studge: Oct 1, 2010; And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Labour won't lose next year.

:toxx:

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:20

Bozza: Mar 5, 2004; "I'm a really useful engine!"

Praseodymi posted:

Do you tuck your tracksuit into your socks?

Depends on the socks and the weather, but yeah. People give you a wide berth if you're rocking the tracky-b's tucked into your socks, Reeboks and a Leeds United shirt.

#1 train chav

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:27

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

Trickjaw posted:

Personally, I would love Margaret Hodge to do it, but she is clever enough to know she wants nowt to do with that car crash. Chuka is just an interchangable tory-bot

Alistair Darling would be ok, I think?

Also seconding (or thirding) the gently caress Chuka thing. Seen him on Question Time a few times: bloke is an unspeakable mix of ambition, shamelessness and bland robot-speak.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:27

ReV VAdAUL: Oct 3, 2004; I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

Filboid Studge posted:

Labour won't lose next year.

It was Axelrod wot won it!

Have Labour tried to adopt the Obama campaign's use of quants and data mining at all?

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:27

Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

Is there any chance that (A) Ed will be dethroned before the next election or (B) Labour will win the next election? Should that "or" be an "and"?

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:34

twoot: Oct 29, 2012

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Is there any chance that (A) Ed will be dethroned before the next election or (B) Labour will win the next election? Should that "or" be an "and"?

The party has a final chance to kick him out at the conference, other than that he'd need to resign.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:38

ReV VAdAUL: Oct 3, 2004; I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Is there any chance that (A) Ed will be dethroned before the next election or (B) Labour will win the next election? Should that "or" be an "and"?

There's really no upside to getting rid of a leader close to election, it just gives your opposition more ammo to attack you with. Getting rid of Ed at this point would Labour look indecisive and like ruthless backstabbers. It would also allow the Tories to mock them for making Ed leader in the first place. Plus for all his personal unpopularity the party has maintained poll leads for several years which is nothing to sniff at.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:47

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

ReV VAdAUL posted:

There's really no upside to getting rid of a leader close to election, it just gives your opposition more ammo to attack you with.

This. Plus, the media would have a field day. Which would be a death knell for any election hopes.

# ? Aug 7, 2014 22:52

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Alecto: Feb 11, 2014

Umiapik posted:

Alistair Darling would be ok, I think?

I had a wonder about something like this a while ago; I remain in hope that Balls is just soaking up punches until he's thrown out of the clown car in time for the election. What Labour really need for shadow chancellor is a dull white man that's already established, i.e. the British political definition of a 'safe pair of hands'. So, the question for the Scottish, in the event of a No vote, would it be too alienating/galling/whatever for Darling to come back as shadow chancellor?

ReV VAdAUL posted:

It was Axelrod wot won it!

Have Labour tried to adopt the Obama campaign's use of quants and data mining at all?

I don't think they have the money for it, but that's just a whiff of a memory of an article some guy wrote.

Alecto fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Aug 8, 2014

# ? Aug 7, 2014 23:01

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