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Firebert posted:The GR are a Doomsday cult who believe that they (and everyone else not-raptured) were rejected by an Old Testament-style God for their sins, and their goal is to disrupt people from falling back into their pre-rapture ways, "saving" them by trolling and eventually converting people that they've targeted as potential converts. They are eager to martyr themselves (and start staging them among their own members, probably to garner sympathy/converts, it's vague in the book). They smoke because they believe that they're living in the endtimes so there's no sense worrying about health ramifications. I feel a bit disappointed by that. Canadian Surf Club posted:I don't think there's much to that NatGeo magazine in particular. It's a mcguffin representing some kind of choice or threshold we're unaware of yet. Ashrik fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Ashrik posted:I feel a bit disappointed by that. They are disappointed in you
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Ashrik posted:I'm going to guess that, like Wayne and his hugs, the grandfather's voices, etc, they will never be 100% explicit in telling us that "this poo poo right here is real".
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Or some/most/all of it could be supernatural and real since 2% of the planet's population vanished into thin air and magic is definitely a thing in this show.
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Sober posted:I dunno, I don't really feel like there's anything supernatural to attach to any of that. Wayne is a cult leader, and predicting his death is pretty drat obvious given all the poo poo going down. And Kevin Sr. hearing voices was probably always a problem, it's just that in a time where people get non-Raptured into the ether with no possible explanation and his son thinks its happening to him, at least one of them is bound to attach their mental instability to thinking they are communing with the departed. At this point, what is our read on the more ambiguous events of the show? Individually, many of the more peculiar events seem unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility, but taken in aggregate, do we still find these events credible? To name just a few: 1. The deer/car/dogs sequence in the pilot 2. Holy Wayne apparently successfully hugging away the pain in mere moments, including in a previously intractable Nora 3. Matt's lucky streak and its associated signs 4. The timing of the phone call that at least temporarily restored Tom's faith in Wayne 5. The crazy guy prattling on about "walking among the dead clothed in white" and Tom and Christine then encountering the crashed truck carrying Departed simulacrums 6. Garvey Sr. coming to Jill's aid at a decidedly crucial juncture Is there any significance to these events? Just coincidence? Is it simple narrative conceit? I still can't decide what I think but after watching Nora's episode, I realized that I want it to mean something and I think I'm going to be disappointed... which I suppose is the whole point of the show.
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Tomahawk posted:Or some/most/all of it could be supernatural and real since 2% of the planet's population vanished into thin air and magic is definitely a thing in this show. Given that the creators of this show are linked to LOST, expect a "Hey it looks like we're going to give you a scientific reason for these supernatural events, but in the end we're going to say that you shouldn't have expected that and that the story was really 'about the characters and their experiences.'"
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It's okay buddy, LOST ended over ten years ago and can't hurt you anymore. The creators have flat out said this is about the characters, and not having answers. Which honestly is more interesting for me, because with how much humans love pattern recognition having a truly random and unexplained event is something that would screw with everyone's head. Yes, the show is hit and miss with of making its characters worth exploring, but overall I'm really enjoying the series. Thinking on it, it's because I feel safe that the craziness isn't a mystery to solve, that I'm okay with the pace and direction. This has been more like a interconnected series of vignettes, so I care a lot less about if it has an abrupt ending or the way the various story threads have meandered. A show like Resurrection meanwhile, with weirdness going on but the show having that as a central thing to uncover, bothered me more. They had a clear goal and did a pretty good job with what the A to B was, but the pacing needed some real work with the shortness of the first season. It felt like a movie ending in the middle of act 2, and leaving the rest for the sequel.
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Rena posted:It's okay buddy, LOST ended over ten years ago and can't hurt you anymore. Are you from... the future? 
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hollylolly posted:Are you from... the future? He really took the time travel plot to heart I guess, it's official cannon.
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It's also an adaptation. Yes they can completely gently caress with the book's story, but so far they're presenting things that were in the book.
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Leb posted:At this point, what is our read on the more ambiguous events of the show? Individually, many of the more peculiar events seem unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility, but taken in aggregate, do we still find these events credible? To name just a few: edit: someone could just as easily say that there's no objective proof or meaning and that, therefore, everything is bullshit and meaningless, but that would be pretty GR-like, and I assume that their being portrayed as antagonists is being done purposefully. We're watching grieving characters struggle with nihilism and despair and I'm finding myself rooting for them when they try to find ways of escaping it, even if those ways would be considered kind of crazy in a world without the not-rapture. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Leftovers has been renewed for a second season http://t.co/UClGY9rlG7
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I hope they just continue to add new interesting characters, maybe have the first seasons characters become more side characters. Lost started losing steam when they ran out of backstory to reveal and had to focus on the stupid mystery.
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Leb posted:At this point, what is our read on the more ambiguous events of the show? Individually, many of the more peculiar events seem unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility, but taken in aggregate, do we still find these events credible? To name just a few: There's also Wayne seeming to be all-knowing when he does talk to Tom on the phone, like how he knew exactly where Tom was in the latest episode. Did any of Garvey or Matts' dreams have any prophetic type elements that couldn't be explained by something else?
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Uhh... Didn't Wayne not know who he was calling? All knowing indeed.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Uhh... Didn't Wayne not know who he was calling? Well he was like that for like the first two seconds of the call, but then he was giving Tom exact directions to the mailbox from the drugstore without Tom telling him where he was.
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savinhill posted:
Theres nothing in the show that can't be explained away pretty easily, but it's also very clear that the writers are actively creating ambiguous situations. I haven't decided yet whether stuff like Nora's abnormal survey responses are intentionally meant to be mysterious or if it's just really bad, unsubtle writing.
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I just realized that the dogs in the Sheriff's vision could be a metaphor for the Guilty Remnant. "These animals used to be tame but now they are feral and foreign. You should totally put them down." If another GR turns up missing that might explain the blackout bite on the Sheriff's hand. As far as factions go, real or imagined, the agnostic GR are the polar opposite of whatever is talking to Grandpa.
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I was hoping there wouldn't be a season 2 and this could wrap up neatly as a miniseries. However, looking at the Wikipedia plot summary for the book (no real spoilers) it looks like they're pretty much at the end of everyone's arc already so maybe S2 will be original content? Should be interesting either way.
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That episode was a solid "Pretty Good", I liked it. The teenagers continue to be kind of annoying, but at least they have them doing actual teenager stuff (hanging out in the woods, bedrooms fighting and being idiots) while preserving the "teens are different in a dark way" theme, rather than Slaneesh Sex Parties. Kevin's storyline could be interesting, I guess.
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fullroundaction posted:I was hoping there wouldn't be a season 2 and this could wrap up neatly as a miniseries. However, looking at the Wikipedia plot summary for the book (no real spoilers) it looks like they're pretty much at the end of everyone's arc already so maybe S2 will be original content? Yeah I wonder if they may go a True Detective route and focus on an entirely new cast. The fact that this is a story based on a worldwide event gives the writers unlimited options for original content. Perhaps season 2 will focus on the cult with the target on their heads.
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I would be satisfied if they just changed or cut most of the main characters on this show. GR had better become more interesting fast.
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savinhill posted:Well he was like that for like the first two seconds of the call, but then he was giving Tom exact directions to the mailbox from the drugstore without Tom telling him where he was. I think Wayne has all his protectors / mom's hiding in the same place. He forgot who he was calling because he and the other guy are in the same place and he mixed them up. He said he hadn't spoken with Wayne in two months. Between the time he saw Wayne at the gas station and when he called in the latest episode, I think they've spoken off screen because it's been longer than 2 months between those two events. Max fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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thathonkey posted:Not like they work in shifts or anything. But yeah I was pretty much wondering "security footage?" during that whole bit. Certainly a hotel like that would have ample security cameras in their bar. Anyway, quibbling aside, thought that was a great episode. Also, Plus if you want to quibble, how did she "forget" she brought a loaded (?) gun with her to NYC? She forget dealing with that during airport security? Maybe she checked her purse in with her bag and... yeah, whatever, it's an oversight. Or perhaps after the Departure, the theater that is TSA no longer exists!  Loved the last few episodes and in general, I like the drat show. I wish people in this thread would be a little more patient, however. It's like some of you expect all unknowns to be known in the first few episodes of the show. It's not a movie. Just go with it and if it starts to fall apart, stop watching. When I first heard about this show, I pretty much decided to skip it due to it reminding me of an older USA show called 4400. Seemed like a similar concept. However, after the first season (I think) the 4400 took a turn towards stupidlandand I had to stop watching that train wreck. I've been worried that Leftovers will do the same once some of the unknowns become knowns, but until that happens I'll watch it, and hope they keep up the quality. Nora's actress being 33 was a little surprising to me as well. I'm 33 myself and find her very attractive, but assumed she was a few years older than I am. I think she's married to some old fart too, so perhaps her biology is "catching up" to his and she's actually around 38-40!
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Shadow posted:Plus if you want to quibble, how did she "forget" she brought a loaded (?) gun with her to NYC? She forget dealing with that during airport security? Didn't she take the train? I thought that's how everybody in the state got to the city.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Uhh... Didn't Wayne not know who he was calling? He probably has hundreds of flunkies paired with a baby momma hiding out all over the country. It probably took him a moment to remember exactly which one he was talking to and their specific situation. Maybe Wayne is behind it all... Maybe 2% of the population is on the lam with a pregnant woman.
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I think at least on of these mysteries will turn out to be supernatural. 2% of the population did disappear into thin air after all.
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I keep wondering what it must've been like to have disappeared. Also, was Nora's husband the journalist dude from House of Cards?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I keep wondering what it must've been like to have disappeared. Also, was Nora's husband the journalist dude from House of Cards? Yes. I wonder if he will show up in any flashbacks or if he just got paid to just have his photo taken with Nora.
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Have there been any full fledged flashbacks in this show yet? I figure one of the last 3 episodes has to be heavily flashback focuses.
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Tomahawk posted:Have there been any full fledged flashbacks in this show yet? I figure one of the last 3 episodes has to be heavily flashback focuses. Most of them have been presented as/within dreams, so we might see Nora's husband in that context.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I keep wondering what it must've been like to have disappeared. Also, was Nora's husband the journalist dude from House of Cards?
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Sober posted:There was a quick flash in Nora's episode and he was literally there for a second giving a high-five or something. He's credited as "voice" in the Nora-centric episode, too, but I don't recall hearing him speak?
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I wonder if they'll pull a Treme in the first season where they set the very first episode well after the flood, and really make you think you'll never see the day of right until the end of the season where they pull the rug out from under you. I'd say seeing Matt's car accident in his fever dream is the closest we've gotten to a full-fledged flashback. But even that isn't a whole lot of new information, since it happens within a scene we had already been presented with. We just realize he was in the background of the pilot.
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Max posted:But even that isn't a whole lot of new information, since it happens within a scene we had already been presented with. We just realize he was in the background of the pilot. I really liked that, and assumed more things like that would happen but nope. Not so far.
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homo punching bag posted:I really liked that, and assumed more things like that would happen but nope. Not so far. Yeah, I was wondering if we'd see anything from that kid's perspective that starts screaming for his dad.
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tadashi posted:He's credited as "voice" in the Nora-centric episode, too, but I don't recall hearing him speak?
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