Radish posted:

Oh yeah I totally forgot that the faq fixed that issue. Until then it was up to tournament organizers so for a little while you never knew how it was going to go until you showed up and it was debatable if that spell was part of the lore or not. I remember making the same argument the faq did in regards to invocation when playing in a tournament the week Demons were released, having it inferred I was a WaaC rules lawyer and getting ruled against, then having my army stopped mercilessly. Early on there was a bunch of anti-Vampire lists since they were dominating up to the Demon release at least where I played so you saw it but after the faq and Vampires died down the Despair Banner was typically the go to choice. Thanks for the correction.

I get the feeling that Thorek was the hard counter to something at some point (I remember miners coming on the field from reserves and then charging into stuff with a 1/9 chance for failure) but I'm not sure.

The Gate posted:

World Dragon is just one of those things that takes a huge amount of points and specific mages to counter, while also being only 50 points and can fit on a unit standard bearer. If it were 55 points, and thus restricted to only the BSB, it might be vaguely reasonable. 50 points to poo poo on an entire army outside of them bringing 2 lores of magic is totally broken.

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While Australian players were hit hard by the restrictions on international sales, Australian retailers (who never exported to international customers in the first place) remained largely unaffected. That all changed in May this year, when Games Workshop applied to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission — without notifying any of their 158 Australian trade partners — for the right to legally discriminate against online-only retailers.
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The reasons behind the move match up with Games Workshop’s justification in other territories: in their view, online-only stores (“Distance Selling Channels”) don’t contribute anything to “the community”, and therefore don’t help Games Workshop’s bottom line like physical stores (“Shop Front Channels”) do.
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They also tend to be an area where the ACCC has a particular interest and is known to go after major international companies, including giants such as VISA, Foxtel and FILA,” says Vuleta. “These agreements can be used to provide consumer benefit such as lower prices or maintaining product quality, or Pizza Hut ordering its franchisees to continue its unholy obsession with Pepsi, but do need careful scrutiny whenever their purpose appears to be to preserve the market power of a large player.”
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What does this mean? Essentially, for Games Workshop to establish that their move will not reduce competition in the market, they are required to prove that their products are largely interchangeable and not actually that special. Seems counter-intuitive, for a company that quite literally uses the first paragraph on its investor page to claim that they make “the best fantasy miniatures in the world”.
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n its initial submission to the ACCC, Games Workshop described its market as “model kits, tabletop games (including miniature wargames), board games, collectible card games, role-playing games and interactive entertainment games”. They then provided a list of “substitutable products” that runs to two pages long.

Here’s a brief selection: HeroClix, Warmachine, Hordes, Flames of War, Ticket to Ride, Carcassone, Dominion, Battlecry, Diplomacy, Risk, model trains, model scenery, radio controlled vehicles, Dungeons & Dragons, Magic: The Gathering, Star Wars: The Old Republic, World of Warcraft, StarCraft, The Elder Scrolls (series) and Fallout (series).

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GW recognises the following as substitutable products;

Heroclix, Mage Knight, Star Trek Attack Wing, Monsterapocoloypse, Warmachine, Hordes, Iron Kingdom, Flames of War, Dust, Smallworld, Ticket to Ride, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars X Wing, Dark Crusade, Carcassone, Dominion, Axis and Allies, Battlecry, Diplomacy, Risk, Spartacus, Firefly, plastic model kits, model trains, model scenery, diecast models, millitary action figures, radio controlled vehicles, Magic the Gathering, Dungeons and Dragons, Yu-Gi-Oh, Star Wars: The old republic, World of Warcraft, Starcraft, The Eldar Scrolls and Fallout.

"GWOP submits that there is no discernible public detriment in the proposed conduct"

"Consumers remain freely able to buy Hobby Products from a number of other third parties"

"The competitive suppliers listed in the Notification offer similar experiences to GWOP in relation to
Hobby Products and Hobby Activities, however the Hobby Products and Hobby Activities which
customers invest their time and money in are interchangeable. All Hobby Products within the Hobby
Activities market may be substitutable for one another."

"To give an example, "Magic: The Gathering" (as referenced in section S(a)(iv)(A)(l) of the
Notification) is a very popular collectible card game produced by Wizards of the Coast (a subsidiary
of Hasbro) and sold by almost every Trade Account of GWOP. It is sold in the form of starter decks
of cards, booster packs of cards, and individual cards. The cards are collected to form "decks" which
are used to play in competitive game against opponents. These cards directly compete with the
products sold by GWOP."

Comstar posted:

I can only hope Hasbro takes the same view and buys them out to give us RISK: 40K. GW's plan seems to be as idiotic as Chancellor Palaptine's was in Episode 1.

Comstar posted:

Edit- Ah, this was discussed 7 pages ago, but the article below was only from yesterday. Apologies for the late news to everyone else. More coverage in the WargamerAU thread


I need to update my death pool date.


Games Workshop secretly moves to cut off Australian online retailers from selling to Australia, by telling the ACCC that RISK and Fallout:New Vegas are the same thing.




From the WargamerAU thread:



I can only hope Hasbro takes the same view and buys them out to give us RISK: 40K. GW's plan seems to be as idiotic as Chancellor Palaptine's was in Episode 1.

Comstar posted:

Edit- Ah, this was discussed 7 pages ago, but the article below was only from yesterday. Apologies for the late news to everyone else. More coverage in the WargamerAU thread


I need to update my death pool date.


Games Workshop secretly moves to cut off Australian online retailers from selling to Australia, by telling the ACCC that RISK and Fallout:New Vegas are the same thing.




From the WargamerAU thread:



I can only hope Hasbro takes the same view and buys them out to give us RISK: 40K. GW's plan seems to be as idiotic as Chancellor Palaptine's was in Episode 1.

Indolent Bastard posted:

"Physical stores support the hobby." Since canceling gaming at Games Day and not supporting tournaments among other things can GW legitimately bitch about web stores not supporting the hobby? Wankers.

quote:

GW recognises the following as substitutable products;

Heroclix, Mage Knight, Star Trek Attack Wing, Monsterapocoloypse, Warmachine, Hordes, Iron Kingdom, Flames of War, Dust, Smallworld, Ticket to Ride, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars X Wing, Dark Crusade, Carcassone, Dominion, Axis and Allies, Battlecry, Diplomacy, Risk, Spartacus, Firefly, plastic model kits, model trains, model scenery, diecast models, millitary action figures, radio controlled vehicles, Magic the Gathering, Dungeons and Dragons, Yu-Gi-Oh, Star Wars: The old republic, World of Warcraft, Starcraft, The Eldar Scrolls and Fallout.

Chill la Chill posted:

To be fair this is true cuz you could be spending your time playing these other games which are good instead of 40k/WFB which is bad.

Chill la Chill posted:

serious gaylord posted:

Im not sure how a 1 day event is the same as having no-where to play at all but keep on trucking.

Not a viking posted:

There is a single GW store in my country and my FLGS where I normally buy my mans don't bother having gaming tables for anything other than MtG. So there is literally no way for me to go to a store and buy miniatures to support the store letting me play there.

And since when did people play at GW stores? Aren't they one-man stores with only a few 4x4 feet tables for display purposes now? The few I've been to in Oslo, Copenhagen and Barcelona certainly were.

Not a viking posted:

And since when did people play at GW stores? Aren't they one-man stores with only a few 4x4 feet tables for display purposes now? The few I've been to in Oslo, Copenhagen and Barcelona certainly were.

Chill la Chill posted:

serious gaylord posted:

Im not sure how a 1 day event is the same as having no-where to play at all but keep on trucking.

Chill la Chill posted:

Broken Loose posted:

Holy poo poo, is this for real? I know your gimmick is that you literally will defend anything GW does, but this can't be for real.

Phoon posted:

I wish s scale trains were common so I could make a combination train set/wargaming table

Broken Loose posted:

Holy poo poo, is this for real? I know your gimmick is that you literally will defend anything GW does, but this can't be for real.

serious gaylord posted:

I do not think that them not having games at an 6 hour event is them 'not supporting the hobby.'

serious gaylord posted:

I do not think that them not having games at an 6 hour event is them 'not supporting the hobby.'

lilljonas posted:

Just convert this by putting tons of skulls on it:

http://www.hobbylinc.com/trumpeter-german-railway-gun-k5e-leopold-plastic-model-military-weapon-1:35-scale-00207

Indolent Bastard posted:

It was, it is, and it always will be.


I would disagree with that statement.

You can't play games at their premier event, you can't play games at many of their stores and they abandoned giving any support to entire conventions dedicated to their games; but these drat online retailers are damaging the hobby that is Warhammer.

serious gaylord posted:

I do not agree with what they're doing in Australia though. Its not the correct way to go about it.

serious gaylord posted:

I agree with your post about the conventions. However as I have posted about numerous times, you can play games in their stores, just most of the people in this thread don't want to take part in the small campaigns or big saturday participation games so choose not to.

Numerous indies all complain about the big online retailers as they simply can't compete with their prices, yet get lambasted if they dont provide space for people to play with models often bought elsewhere.

I do not agree with what they're doing in Australia though. Its not the correct way to go about it.

serious gaylord posted:

You're welcome to believe I'm a troll just because I disagree with the hive mind hatred based on internet hearsay. Feel free.