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serious gaylord posted:Exactly, If you want to have a go at them for not supporting the hobby go down that route. Also lol that I've made someone mad enough to spend money. English isn't my first language, but I'm not sure what you are saying. What I meant was that I can understand how someone who don't have a local store to play at wouldn't just buy it from a 3rd party online store with 20% discount or whatever. I wouldn't like being forced by GW to buy from GWs online store with a 20% markup to support stores and hobby centres that you'd never get to use. I buy all my poo poo from my FLGS anyway because with VAT and toll fees it costs pretty much the same.
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serious gaylord posted:Are we done with the personal attacks now? I'd like to talk about how GW's stock is in utter free fall since their brief recovery. How much they stock drop???
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Aug 13, 2014 15:30
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Moola posted:How much they stock drop??? Down 24 points since the start of the month, take out the brief bump yesterday and its 30. Trending to be at its lowest point for 4 months.
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Aug 13, 2014 15:34
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GW stock doesn't seem to have moved too much. Though I'm having trouble finding any data since 9am (GMT+1)
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petrol blue posted:GW stock doesn't seem to have moved too much. Type it into google, you can see everything up to 5 years ago.
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Aug 13, 2014 15:38
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Compared to January's drop, it's not much but it's a definite downward trend. The bump earlier this month is probably thanks to the Space Wolf release (I'd like to think that GW's shareholders were conscious of current releases, but most probably aren't) but we'll see how they fare once they release sales figures from the GK
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Aug 13, 2014 15:47
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That's not even remotely freefall.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:04
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I'm pretty sure it's because this guy finished his army. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsaLHgnSyBI That's going to be a big hit right there. I wonder if he'll move on to Xwing next and buy 4 tantive IVs.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:22
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TheCosmicMuffet posted:I'm pretty sure it's because this guy finished his army. The lack of basing on a good chunk of those infuriates me.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:26
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TheCosmicMuffet posted:I'm pretty sure it's because this guy finished his army. Ugh. gently caress this gay earth.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:26
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What a staggeringly ugly army, with a few nice pieces here and there.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:31
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serious gaylord posted:I agree with your post about the conventions. However as I have posted about numerous times, you can play games in their stores, just most of the people in this thread don't want to take part in the small campaigns or big saturday participation games so choose not to. FYI, these things don't really exist in 99% of GW stores in the US, because they've replaced almost all of them with tiny 1 man shops that have no personnel or table space for more than a game or two.
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The Gate posted:FYI, these things don't really exist in 99% of GW stores in the US, because they've replaced almost all of them with tiny 1 man shops that have no personnel or table space for more than a game or two. Park Plaza LA THURSDAY THROWDOWN - WARHAMMER 40K!!! Tomorrow from 4pm until we're done, bring 500 pts with 1 HQ and 1 Troop choice. We going who's the best! Be here or be square! New York GW Hey everyone! Today we want to give a big shout-out to our intrepid players braving the fury of gaming that is The Sargos Campaign. They have been playing their hearts out and leaving it all on the battlefield. A true example of what a narrative campaign should be! An extra big thank you to John Hoffman, our daring GM. If you missed out on this great event, stay tuned to this page in the future. There will be many more great beginner and veteran events to come! Quail Spring Village Another week in the books! Our escalation league is chugging along. It's never too late to get involved! First 3 i checked seemed to have some sort of gaming running regularly.
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Indolent Bastard posted:What a staggeringly ugly army, with a few nice pieces here and there. Agreed. What's the point of having all that if you're going to half-rear end it so badly? The Gate posted:FYI, these things don't really exist in 99% of GW stores in the US, because they've replaced almost all of them with tiny 1 man shops that have no personnel or table space for more than a game or two. Yeah most of the US stores I've seen can't really support more than two games at a time, and are poorly-equipped to run their events and tournaments. serious gaylord posted:New York GW Case in point, the NYC GW has two tables. If they clear their demo table, move some product, and set a piece of plywood across the middle of those, they can make three, which I've seen them do. It doesn't work that well, and there isn't a lot of room to move around during these events. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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serious gaylord posted:Park Plaza LA Please let me know how many players those actually have showing up, tia. Edit: also yeah, 500 point 1 troop 1 HQ. That's an intro game aka the only type of game you can fit in their tiny shitshops.
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The Gate posted:Please let me know how many players those actually have showing up, tia. Quail Spring Village was the only one I could find player numbers for easily. Escalation, started at 800 points and moved up every month. https://www.facebook.com/GWQuailSpring/photos/a.535784779813316.1073741825.411838768874585/757657967625995/?type=1&theater Also my point was that they put on games, but they're too small for people in this thread to want to play in them. Which appears to be the case.
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serious gaylord posted:I do not think that them not having games at an 6 hour event is them 'not supporting the hobby.' Yes, a company called Games Workshop not hosting games at their event that was formerly called "Games Day" and is now called "Warhammer Fest" (which still implies that there will be some form of Warhammering going on) is clearly showing nothing but love and support for the hobby*. *the hobby being "flog the small, jewel like objects of magic and wonder we call citadel to as many suckers as will still buy" serious gaylord posted:You're welcome to believe I'm a troll just because I disagree with the hive mind hatred based on internet hearsay. Feel free. OK, thanks! It's always nice to see someone obliquely admit that they have no rational arguments and that you can safely dismiss whatever they say from here on in. Much appreciated. 
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serious gaylord posted:Quail Spring Village was the only one I could find player numbers for easily. Escalation, started at 800 points and moved up every month. Yes, the complaint was they don't do events to support the community. Like running events that aren't just aimed at sucking in new players. They don't give a gently caress once you've collected your army, they just try and sucker in the next guy, until they've gotten enough money from them, and so on. Once you've built up your 1500+ points, you can go gently caress yourself as far as they're concerned, oh unless you want to get a new army and join this next escalation league? Use your old army, no no, it needs to be new. Of course you can't use anything at all from a third party, why would you even ask?!
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The Gate posted:Yes, the complaint was they don't do events to support the community. Like running events that aren't just aimed at sucking in new players. They don't give a gently caress once you've collected your army, they just try and sucker in the next guy, until they've gotten enough money from them, and so on. Once you've built up your 1500+ points, you can go gently caress yourself as far as they're concerned, oh unless you want to get a new army and join this next escalation league? Where does it say you can't use your old army?
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Why does GW feel the need to maintain it's own stores? I know tons of LGSs carry GW products and have Warhammer tables available. The ones that I'm familiar with hold Warhammer events from time to time as well. Is it really all just to try to force people to buy Citadel models so that they can play at all the events?
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fool_of_sound posted:Why does GW feel the need to maintain it's own stores? I know tons of LGSs carry GW products and have Warhammer tables available. The ones that I'm familiar with hold Warhammer events from time to time as well. Is it really all just to try to force people to buy Citadel models so that they can play at all the events? It's because they have been trying for ages to duplicate the UK "high street" model of retail in other countries. They desperately want GW to be the only The problem is that their approach works fine in the UK, decently in the rest of Europe, and not at all in bigger, more spread-out countries like the USA, Canada, Australia, etc. Which is why their retail model is a failure these days.
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serious gaylord posted:Where does it say you can't use your old army? I'm imagining taking the same army to two escalation leagues in a uk store and I think they'd probably allow it but I guarantee they'd be super passive aggressive about it
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Sydney Bottocks posted:
Someday SA will code the quote blocks to respect the ignore function, and then I'll have peace. Back on the subject of Warhorder 40k and his traitor legion that serves chaos: unbased, the part that *Really* gets me, aside from the menagerie of blue table painting, some dude he knows, and colorblind khorne berserkers, are the display-based Fulgrim and Angron which he basically says he hasn't had a chance to play with. I mean, it's loving weird. Not just because they're these pieces obviously designed for winning a trophy that are now languishing behind redundant, mostly un-converted seat filler models that total 38k points, which given that they're for the 30k setting seems perverse to me, somehow. But at least *as* annoying to me is that these are the primarchs. Not the demon princes that they're supposed to become. They don't even belong there! Until that guy has 25k of traitor marines in the world eaters white and blue, and the emperor's children purple, gold, and white, it's kind of bullshit. I mean, hording is one thing, but ... It seems fundamentally unjust. Meh. Guess I'm just sperging a little. But I really like the 30k setting. I thought they had a good idea with that. Because if they figured it out, they could bring back squats, and explore new eras. And they could do like MTG where they kept up their retarded 'new release' schedule, but they'd be cycling through different imperial eras, and it'd be kind of cool. You know? Like 36k! Tons of SoBs. No tyranids, necrons, or Tau. Squats still exist. Exodites are walking the dinosaur. I mean. They *are* interchangeable with Magic, Clue, or even Nintendo Game-N-Watch. So there's nothing to stop them marketing the product that way. TheCosmicMuffet fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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I am an old-school GW gamer (since the late 80's), and I do remember the halcyon days where they weren't arseholes. Like "Buy two blisters, get one free" for their stores, or deals which got you products for buying a subscription or the like. Nowadays they're just awful. I think the change came around late 90's early 2000's where they felt it prudent to move a store in close to independent retailers, choke their supply of stock and drive them out of business, and once this was complete, jack up the prices and cut back on services. I am currently selling off everything I own that is GW related. I will likely keep my 3rd ed Warhammer Fantasy book for sheer nostalgia, but everything else has got to go. When I've got games like Infinity, Malifaux, Warmahordes or Kings of War to play, why would I give my money to people who deliberately poo poo on their customers? Fantasy is better than it was, but not as good as it should be. Items like the Banner of the World Dragon is an example of the broken-mindedness of the designers when it comes to these systems. It really needs to be completely overhauled - Rules, miniatures, sales strategy, everything.
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Phoon posted:I'm imagining taking the same army to two escalation leagues in a uk store and I think they'd probably allow it but I guarantee they'd be super passive aggressive about it From speaking to one, unless they're taking the space of a new person they're welcome because it gives those new people opponents. A full event is better than an empty one.
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The Dark Project posted:I am an old-school GW gamer (since the late 80's), and I do remember the halcyon days where they weren't arseholes. Like "Buy two blisters, get one free" for their stores, or deals which got you products for buying a subscription or the like. Same here! I first got into GW's stuff back when White Dwarf wasn't just a house organ, but an actual games magazine that reviewed stuff from all over the gaming spectrum (I didn't even mind all that much when they started shifting over to "GW only" near the end of the 80s). Even in the late 1990s/early 2000s, it was clear that the guys who were in charge of WHFB, 40k, Specialist Games, and White Dwarf were all primarily gamers first and corporate dudes second. There were so many articles on how to make & build your own stuff, cool conversions, etc., etc. Sure, there were some negative points (the Dark Eldar models around that time were absolute shite, for example). But for the most part you could go buy a GW product and not feel like you should be thanking them for the privilege. That's all changed now. Nowadays the joy (and probably the soul, too) has been sucked completely dry from anything GW-related. Everything purely exists to sell things. Which is not terrible in itself; GW, like any other company, isn't a charity and they need to make money in order to survive. But the increasingly naked contempt they've been showing towards their customer base over the last decade or so is just mind-boggling.
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Yeah the days of actual enthusiasts running the company are long gone. I remember hearing of guys buying miniatures at GW open days by the pound at the metal cost for a lot of them, and other cool kinds of things like that. I remember when the Warhammer 40k mailing list became so well known that Jervis Johnson joined in to chat with us (and quickly proved himself a dick and left), but there was a lot of feedback back and forth, especially for conversion ideas, sounding out game changes with the community, and to leak interesting bits of info to us about upcoming releases. It felt like a community of like minded individuals rather than a corporate entity. But now? The rules alone make me really wary, as the latest new shiny might have some huge overpowered rules to make it sell really well, before the inevitable nerf after much complaining, only for the newer new shiny to take over. It's not a good system of things. I have the old 3rd ed Warhammer rules, and a lot of the stat-line and some of the mechanics are still present through to 9th ed. Now I know that's mostly because the system seems to be one of progression rather than radical change, but man, it could really use an overhaul. Will it be though? Unlikely. The CEO is a fool and everyone with a shred of creativity has been shipped off, while they try to ram this as the game to have to young kids in a shopping mall who will likely ditch it after a short space of time. I don't think the company has much time left to be honest.
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fool_of_sound posted:Why does GW feel the need to maintain it's own stores? I know tons of LGSs carry GW products and have Warhammer tables available. The ones that I'm familiar with hold Warhammer events from time to time as well. Is it really all just to try to force people to buy Citadel models so that they can play at all the events? It's all about margin. If they sell the product in their own stores, either online or at a retail location, all of the revenue is theirs. Highest possible margin. If they sell product through another store, that store gets a cut. The mere thought of this causes executives at games workshop to poo poo their pants with rage, so their plan over the last ~15 years has been to gradually remove as many of these "competing" lower-margin sales avenues as they safely can, operating under the assumption that consumers will just naturally go to GW directly for the product that's no longer available through web retailers or in sufficient stock at their local store. It's not potentially the worst idea with regard to online product, but most B&M stores are connected to some kind of online store now because it's 2014. Furthermore, GW stores have become progressively worse places to game over the last 15 years and were never amazing. Ultimately GW, like Wizards with Magic, depends on B&M stores where people play the games to drive sales and long-term stickiness with the hobby. It's not a hobby that consumers in densely-populated urban areas can play in their homes due to the space, time, and money required to build, store, and host a table, not to mention the difficulty in connecting with a community of other players without central hubs for gaming activity. It's a delicate ecosystem and some companies know how to cultivate and manage it (Wizards) and some companies actively attempt to hurt it (guess who). TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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HiveCommander posted:Our prophet of the end has returned! Dark gods be praised. Like a blood moon he rises- the harbinger of GWs demise, fed by the ritual sacrifice of a goon in this very thread.
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The GW manager unfurled a poster for us that's going up this Saturday which is literally just "The End Times are coming..." written in blood on a white background. I know it's promotional for something else but with everything that's gone on recently I found it pretty darkly humorous. There's no way GW is self aware enough for it to be intentional.
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If they were really self aware they'd make it read "The End Times have been in a perpetually coming state for the past 25 years." (Or however long it's been since 40k's story has been frozen at M41.999. I gather it may have been more flexible way back in the distant past?)
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Clearly this means they're about to pull out the big guns that will save their company. Warhammer 41k!!!!!!!
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Moola posted:Clearly this means they're about to pull out the big guns that will save their company. Looks suspiciously like Warhammer 40k except someone's put some masking tape with a "1" scrawled on it over all the 0s.
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Pyrolocutus posted:Looks suspiciously like Warhammer 40k except someone's put some masking tape with a "1" scrawled on it over all the 0s. That'll be $59.99, sir.
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Moola posted:Clearly this means they're about to pull out the big guns that will save their company. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only MORE war! 
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moths posted:That could be the most fantastic going-out-of-business signage ever. The greatest thing about it is that the store is mandated to put it up this weekend, which is also the weekend they have to put up a sign saying the store is closing (and moving locations). It's a pretty hilarious coincidence. The store is actually doing pretty well, the entire plaza is being demolished and rebuilt because it's 30+ years old.
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PierreTheMime posted:The GW manager unfurled a poster for us that's going up this Saturday which is literally just "The End Times are coming..." written in blood on a white background. I know it's promotional for something else but with everything that's gone on recently I found it pretty darkly humorous. There's no way GW is self aware enough for it to be intentional. 
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TheChirurgeon posted:It's not a hobby that consumers in densely-populated urban areas can play in their homes due to the space, time, and money required to build, store, and host a table I just wanted to say, I think this point can't be stressed enough. There's a reason why wargames that favor smaller skirmishes are getting more and more popular, and it's not just because they cost less or have a smaller initial investment. I think a lot of people are finding it much more convenient to have a smaller game, with fewer models, that they can play in a much shorter span of time at the kitchen table or wherever. A game where they can actually get two or three games in during the same span of time that one game of 40k or WHFB might take. And (for those who care about the hobby side of things) games where the purchaser has an actual half-decent chance at fielding a fully painted army because they only have to paint 10 or 20 figures in total, and so haven't gotten burned out on painting by the time they get to highlighting the codpiece of the second archer in the third row. Of course, Games Workshop used to have a game or two that would have fit perfectly with that particular changing trend, but apparently they couldn't have that, as it "cannibalized sales" (  ) from their bigger games (that you had to have a 6"x4" table at minimum to play on).
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