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jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Awd Nissans like the gtr, g35x etc are like that too (the diff, not the springs). And probably BMWs, and some trucks. It's either that or have the entire engine in front of the front axle.

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bandman
Mar 17, 2008

TrueChaos posted:

Technically possible is the most fun! :haw:

On a serious note, an environmental remediation system I designed basically had zero maintenance space (equipment includes compressors, vacuum pumps, air stripper, all which need routine maintenance) because they needed all the equipment in an 8'x8' space. It wound up being a two story system, which I would have preferred to put in an 8'x40' space. Comments from the customer were "looks good, our techs are going to have to go on a diet though." :haw:

I would have been cursing your name up one side and down the other.

The best systems I worked on were installed at two of the bus maintenance shops for Atlanta ' mass transit system. They were built in shipping containers and water went in dirty on one end and came out clean on the other. Tons of room and stuff was laid out very logically.

Tennessee, on the other hand, can eat a dick. TDEC has specified like 4 different system configurations to choose from for every site in the state. They all get prebuilt offsite in these 10x12 sheds and dropped off by truck. They make the design and installation phase really cheap, but there is very little room to do any sort of maintenance or move around. They also perform horribly if you have more than about an inch of free product in any of the wells.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




bandman posted:

I would have been cursing your name up one side and down the other.

The best systems I worked on were installed at two of the bus maintenance shops for Atlanta ' mass transit system. They were built in shipping containers and water went in dirty on one end and came out clean on the other. Tons of room and stuff was laid out very logically.

Tennessee, on the other hand, can eat a dick. TDEC has specified like 4 different system configurations to choose from for every site in the state. They all get prebuilt offsite in these 10x12 sheds and dropped off by truck. They make the design and installation phase really cheap, but there is very little room to do any sort of maintenance or move around. They also perform horribly if you have more than about an inch of free product in any of the wells.

I`m pretty sure those were our systems at the maintenance shop. We build in everything from shipping containers, trailers, wood framed buildings, steel framed buildings, to skid mounted. Tennessee can suck a dick, also FDEP and washington`s L&I can get hosed.

This system was 2 containers that were cut down to 8ft, had corrugated steel + the original end posts re-welded back on the end, and stacked. To hell with actually designing something two stories, just re-use containers! Cheap and it works. Roll up doors on both bottom & upper level. If you need to replace the recip compressor you`re going to be removing the regen blower, 240G receiver tank, a transfer pump, uhhh almost everything on the entire 2nd level. Have fun!

It`s what happens when I`m told we`re not allowed to exceed 8x8. I almost went 3 stories, but there was a height limit too. :haw:

e: I was going to PM you where I work, but you don`t have plat and I don`t really want where I work broadcast on here :(

bandman
Mar 17, 2008
Yeah, I should really upgrade. I was with URS in Atlanta at the time. I wasn't the main remediation system guy, but I was his backup. I mostly did Phase IIs, sampling, report writing, and drilling/construction oversight. I did a system install (air sparge/SVE) at a petroleum terminal one time and that was harrowing. I have never been more nervous on the job than I was when the meathead drillers we were using started on a hole about 4 feet from a half-million gallon tank of regular unleaded. 90 feet deep with some really tight sand and weathered rock layers, so they were on it for several hours.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




bandman posted:

Yeah, I should really upgrade. I was with URS in Atlanta at the time. I wasn't the main remediation system guy, but I was his backup. I mostly did Phase IIs, sampling, report writing, and drilling/construction oversight. I did a system install (air sparge/SVE) at a petroleum terminal one time and that was harrowing. I have never been more nervous on the job than I was when the meathead drillers we were using started on a hole about 4 feet from a half-million gallon tank of regular unleaded. 90 feet deep with some really tight sand and weathered rock layers, so they were on it for several hours.

System installs are fun at bulk terminals, I`m set to head out to one in a few weeks. Install work is supposed to be done before I get there though, I`m just assisting with system startup. Which means nothing will be done when I get there...

Big T-cat oxidizer (1500+ SCFM) set up really loving close to storage tanks. :ohdear:

We`ve done lots of work with URS, I`m at the Canadian remediation company, there`s really only one big one.

smax
Nov 9, 2009

I'm in the environmental field as well - I always get a kick when this kind of stuff comes up. I haven't designed any remediation systems from scratch (yet), though I have dealt with my fair share of existing systems. Currently I'm working with a DNAPL (creosote) recovery system and trying to get it to operate more efficiently. I'll take gasoline/diesel any day over the stuff that's getting pulled up by this thing.

I keep things semi-on-topic, the fleet cars at some of the refineries I work at definitely qualify as terrible car stuff. Nothing quite like cars and trucks that spend all day every day in the desert getting beat on.

Root Bear
Nov 15, 2004

DARKEST SKETCH

kastein posted:

No seriously, what the gently caress?

Dear god it is actually OEM. Not only that, the front diff is part of the oil pan yet driven by an external driveshaft, and the front diff is tilted so the CVs don't see even close to the same angles at ride height. I guess it doesn't matter, but what the gently caress, really?



:psyboom:


One of my first years at the alignment shop one of these came in. My boss and I were just as confused and mortified.


Since we're talking Mercedes springs and rust-belt related failures, guess who else suffers from corroded spring perch failure?








The OE repair piece:









It's been a while since I've had to weld one of these back together. If I remember correctly, that crazy 4-matic spring has a similar style perch.

Then there's the w123 torsion bar whose ends like to snap off due to the same rust-belt style corrosion:





Fortunately, there's a weld-on repair kit that spares everyone involved from the 15-20 hour job of complete replacement:



Fun stuff, I tell ya. :shepicide:

Root Bear fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Aug 17, 2014

bandman
Mar 17, 2008
I finally got out of the consulting rat race and now I work at a college in the EHS department as a lab and chemical safety specialist. I get to scold researchers, grad students, post-docs, and the like for not adhering to safety rules. Our fleet of jalopies definitely qualifies as terrible car stuff. The worst is the 25 year-old GMC Sierra. It is the lowest of low specs. Vinyl bench seat, no radio, no A/C, crank windows, no carpet, no nothing. The 700R4 is the only option on the whole loving thing. It is the V6 model and it runs on propane, so it is Mercedes 240D-slow. Nobody wants to drive it, so it sits most of the time.

bandman fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Aug 17, 2014

Fievel Goes Bi
Dec 8, 2008

Root Bear posted:

One of my first years at the alignment shop one of these came in. My boss and I were just as confused and mortified.


Since we're talking Mercedes springs and rust-belt related failures, guess who else suffers from corroded spring perch failure?








The OE repair piece:









It's been a while since I've had to weld one of these back together. If I remember correctly, that crazy 4-matic spring has a similar style perch.

Then there's the w123 torsion bar whose ends like to snap off due to the same rust-belt style corrosion:





Fortunately, there's a weld-on repair kit that spares everyone involved from the 15-20 hour job of complete replacement:



Fun stuff, I tell ya. :shepicide:

lol Just did a 123 end link kit this week. Only once have we ever had to replace a whole sway bar gently caress that noise. Also did two spring pods too. One guy drove out of here on two broken pods once because he thought we were bullshiting him that they had broken and it was the spring that was broken. That 210 made hellaflush kids jealous of its tuck.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Ghost Farts posted:

No joke, there's a fairly common saying in Germany that roughly translates to "why go the easy route when you can make it more complicated?" It's usually used as an answer to a question such as yours. Everybody will understand, shrug and just go "oh yeah, makes sense".

There's nothing "complicated" about that spring setup? That's straight up cost and corner cutting hackery. If you found that on the underside of a Soviet tractor you would be lamenting the mechanical ineptitude of the Slavic horde but on a Mercedes it becomes "complicated"?

The diff in the oil pan is a pretty standard setup for RWD-with-a-front-diff type cars? Except you know, the suspension n a Nissan probably doesn't look like a crayon drawing by a 5 year old.

I don't understand how "welding rusted out shock towers" is even a thing. That seems like serious chassis damage to me and all those cars should have been sent too the crusher a decade ago.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Throatwarbler posted:

I don't understand how "welding rusted out shock towers" is even a thing. That seems like serious chassis damage to me and all those cars should have been sent too the crusher a decade ago.

Oh, then you're gonna be really mad when you see the approved strut tower repair for Dodge Caravans from the 90s.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Throatwarbler posted:

There's nothing "complicated" about that spring setup? That's straight up cost and corner cutting hackery. If you found that on the underside of a Soviet tractor you would be lamenting the mechanical ineptitude of the Slavic horde but on a Mercedes it becomes "complicated"?

The diff in the oil pan is a pretty standard setup for RWD-with-a-front-diff type cars? Except you know, the suspension n a Nissan probably doesn't look like a crayon drawing by a 5 year old.

I don't understand how "welding rusted out shock towers" is even a thing. That seems like serious chassis damage to me and all those cars should have been sent too the crusher a decade ago.

The diff in the oil pan is pretty mundane. But the springs around the half-shaft is just cheapness. They couldn't be bothered redesigning the front suspension of a RWD car so they just bodged the axle and spring in there wherever. Engine bay packaging choices (again, for a RWD car) would've dictated the position of the diff and shafts. It's actually much, much harder to design a decent car whilst jumping through the insane amount of hoops, technical restrictions and financial requirements in place than people think.

It's a crap design and looks like arse but it sold cars and helped them make targets, so it's a 'good' design in that sense. 4matic cars are still successful, it's a valuable arrow in MB's quiver of marketable bullshit, so it's doing it's job.

edit: fixed for my retarded terminology, jesus

Slavvy fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Aug 17, 2014

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Oh and also the diff is not at an angle, the engine is.

Lamar Smith R-TX
Feb 23, 2012




stretched tires... apparently people can get away with it and not die

what about stretched tires which have been stretched onto wheels that have been repeatedly bashed into a curb?

puberty worked me over
May 20, 2013

by Cyrano4747
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puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jun 24, 2019

Fievel Goes Bi
Dec 8, 2008


While were on the subject of Mercedes insanity I went to price out a new mono valve for a friends 123. Last time he bought one years ago it was around 20 bucks now they are 200 from MB. Goddamn.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

Root Bear posted:

One of my first years at the alignment shop one of these came in. My boss and I were just as confused and mortified.


Since we're talking Mercedes springs and rust-belt related failures, guess who else suffers from corroded spring perch failure?








The OE repair piece:









It's been a while since I've had to weld one of these back together. If I remember correctly, that crazy 4-matic spring has a similar style perch.

That is possibly the lamest perch design I have ever seen. The outside is barely supported... and it is a piece of sheetmetal.

Fievel Goes Bi
Dec 8, 2008

Just think they kept that design from 86' on to 02' on the 124s and 210s, and have two convenient sizes depending how badly rusted out it is.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
Oh this is the finished repair? That's not confidence inspiring.

Root Bear
Nov 15, 2004

DARKEST SKETCH
The larger repair panel doesn't look much more convincing either:

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer

HotCanadianChick posted:

It somehow manages to be worse than the timing chain location on Audi 2.7t engines.

Aren't you thinking about the 4.2 V8 now? That's the one that people love to post pictures of anyway.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Nidhg00670000 posted:

Aren't you thinking about the 4.2 V8 now? That's the one that people love to post pictures of anyway.

You may be right, I've seen a few pics of 2.7t's with the chain on the back of the head and I thought that was the same engine as the cutaway illustration I'd seen posted before, but further googling shows the timing belts on the front of the 2.7t, the chain in the rear is just to drive some accessory that's on the back of the engine (which is still pretty :wtc:).

This is the picture I was thinking of originally: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RLTZzrv_TK8/UQ-3tefaj4I/AAAAAAAANk4/zJKFpWVq-TQ/s640/Audi+4.2+V8.png

The Royal Nonesuch
Nov 1, 2005

Spotted in a parking lot:



I see a lot of badly faked M cars but this is the worst. I'm not sure what bothers me more; the mismatched ///M font or the fact he left the 325 badge on.

Daveh
Jan 18, 2005

You know what? You know what you're putting into our bodies? Death! Delicious, strawberry-flavored death!
So many people shoved M badges on cars of the M-Sport trim level, that they now come out of the factory with the little fuckers plastered all over the car. :(

shoopeach
Aug 13, 2012

Daveh posted:

So many people shoved M badges on cars of the M-Sport trim level, that they now come out of the factory with the little fuckers plastered all over the car. :(

This is the same w/ the AMG badge that dealers stick on regular cars that have the "AMG Package" ie wheels and maybe a bumper? I always wonder if people that purchased those cars think they actually have an AMG or M car and don't know any better.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



To be fair all of the German companies do that. Audi has the S-line as well.

VW even has the "R-Line" now.

Lamar Smith R-TX
Feb 23, 2012

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

Spotted in a parking lot:



I see a lot of badly faked M cars but this is the worst. I'm not sure what bothers me more; the mismatched ///M font or the fact he left the 325 badge on.

I had a 2 hour Facebook slapfight with some 335i owners who were adamant that because, with "$1000 worth of bolt-ons" a 335i could beat an E92 M3 in a straight line it was okay to put ///M garnish, like license plate frames, stickers, badges onto the definitively NOT ///M 335i.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007

Lamar Smith R-TX posted:

I had a 2 hour Facebook slapfight with some 335i owners who were adamant that because, with "$1000 worth of bolt-ons" a 335i could beat an E92 M3 in a straight line it was okay to put ///M garnish, like license plate frames, stickers, badges onto the definitively NOT ///M 335i.

All you have to say is "limited slip differential"

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Bovril Delight posted:

To be fair all of the German companies do that. Audi has the S-line as well.

VW even has the "R-Line" now.

Here they sell a tonne of R-Line Polos with the 85hp 1.4

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Lamar Smith R-TX posted:

I had a 2 hour Facebook slapfight with some 335i owners who were adamant that because, with "$1000 worth of bolt-ons" a 335i could beat an E92 M3 in a straight line it was okay to put ///M garnish, like license plate frames, stickers, badges onto the definitively NOT ///M 335i.
"I really like to pretend my car is a model which I am adamant is slower than mine"

Uhhh...

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Fucknag posted:

Oh, then you're gonna be really mad when you see the approved strut tower repair for Dodge Caravans from the 90s.



The kit diagram lays it out in the terrifyingly mundane way usually reserved for autopsies and accident scene restorations:

Lamar Smith R-TX
Feb 23, 2012

InitialDave posted:

"I really like to pretend my car is a model which I am adamant is slower than mine"

Uhhh...

Yes I made a similar point.

Then was rewarded with this gem, something like "having an ///m license plate frame is like showing support for your team, like a football or baseball team."

Go Team ///M!!!

Das Volk
Nov 19, 2002

by Cyrano4747

Lamar Smith R-TX posted:

I had a 2 hour Facebook slapfight with some 335i owners who were adamant that because, with "$1000 worth of bolt-ons" a 335i could beat an E92 M3 in a straight line it was okay to put ///M garnish, like license plate frames, stickers, badges onto the definitively NOT ///M 335i.

Seems like a lot of people with an N54/55 is convinced a few bolt-ons will make up the gap. I remember a couple of 1M owners in England who were convinced all their mods would outrun my M3 at an airstrip, needless to say, they didn't.

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010

Lamar Smith R-TX posted:

I had a 2 hour Facebook slapfight with some 335i owners who were adamant that because, with "$1000 worth of bolt-ons" a 335i could beat an E92 M3 in a straight line it was okay to put ///M garnish, like license plate frames, stickers, badges onto the definitively NOT ///M 335i.

Yep, because what the M3 is known for is straight line performance.

Frozen Pizza Party
Dec 13, 2005

It took me four loving hours today to swap my cross member. That's terrible.

Lamar Smith R-TX
Feb 23, 2012

Das Volk posted:

Seems like a lot of people with an N54/55 is convinced a few bolt-ons will make up the gap. I remember a couple of 1M owners in England who were convinced all their mods would outrun my M3 at an airstrip, needless to say, they didn't.

The owners' first modifications to the car are going to be stereo, superfluous lighting, and wheels... I seriously doubt that he's going to be hitting up Shift Sector any time soon.



Kenshin posted:

All you have to say is "limited slip differential"

hahahah seriously? that is sad

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta
It's funny how impossible it is to get an LSD in BMW late-model cars. With their older models you just grab one of the millions floating around for 300 bucks and chuck it in. Ultimate Driving Machine indeed.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

SaNChEzZ posted:

It took me four loving hours today to swap my cross member. That's terrible.

I'm the terrible car stuff for similar reasons. A 45 minute job took 4 hours.

I did a rad swap on my 93 Explorer (because I previously thought a 2-row would be enough for Vegas summers :saddowns:); I forgot to get a radiator cap.

After a neighbor gave me a ride to Autozone, I did the whole thing, discovered tranny fluid leak. I was very confused and began to panic as it was coming from one of my radiator fittings.

Turns out, I didn't know that there were two "sides" to my radiator, and began quickly draining and ripping out the whole job before re-reading the flowcharts in my manual and looking for a missing o-ring that would have taken ten minutes to install, with everything else done.

Oh well. I only burned myself slightly figuring that whole mess out.

Fig. 1: someone elses shittastic rendition of poo poo I didn't know or bother to look up beforehand.

Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Aug 18, 2014

clam ache
Sep 6, 2009

HotCanadianChick posted:

You may be right, I've seen a few pics of 2.7t's with the chain on the back of the head and I thought that was the same engine as the cutaway illustration I'd seen posted before, but further googling shows the timing belts on the front of the 2.7t, the chain in the rear is just to drive some accessory that's on the back of the engine (which is still pretty :wtc:).

This is the picture I was thinking of originally: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RLTZzrv_TK8/UQ-3tefaj4I/AAAAAAAANk4/zJKFpWVq-TQ/s640/Audi+4.2+V8.png

Also the ford explorer had an engine which did this. Which further goes to prove What was the manufacturer thinking in between hits off there crack pipe.

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Seat Safety Switch posted:

The kit diagram lays it out in the terrifyingly mundane way usually reserved for autopsies and accident scene restorations:


An automotive repair should never, ever, EVER involve three self tapping sheet metal screws and a dozen pop rivets.

Ever.

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