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Jerusalem posted:And when Big Finish has very carefully blurred the lines by taking a character introduced in a revival-era book tie-in and brought them into the Big Finish range. Not quite. The Dalek Time Controller showed up in the Six story Patient Zero, followed by some EDA BF Audios before his appearance in the BBC Books Eleventh Doctor novel The Dalek Generation (penned by Nick Briggs) - BUT that novel is the first time the Dalek Time Controller interacts with the Doctor from the Time Controller's perspective, setting up his Big Finish appearances!
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Delivery McGee posted:Speaking of which, is there anybody who still doesn't like Capaldi? You're entitled to your opinion and all (hell, I didn't watch any of Matt Smith's tenure because I didn't like his face), but have you watched The Thick of It? Once you've seen Malcolm Tucker berating some poor stupid bastard, Twelve looks like a saint. Also the end of the last episode is very similar to 12's arc, realizing what a bad person he was. Capaldi's doing a very good job at being the Doctor he wanted to be, but so far the Doctor he wanted to be is kind of a shitbag. I particularly dislike his constantly negging Clara. It's weird and uncomfortable. The overwhelming theme of Matt Smith's tenure was 'getting really, really old tends to make you really, really kind', and I found that sense of optimism refreshing. Capaldi's Doctor is the complete opposite of that so far. He's got his ideals, but he doesn't seem particularly bothered about the little people who might get in the way of them. It's not necessarily a new facet of his character, and it's probably just a matter of personal preference, but I think I've always warmed to the 'good' Doctors - Troughton, Davison, C. Baker (yes, really), McGann, Eccleston (yes, really) and Smith. But who knows what'll happen - maybe Capaldi will mellow like Hartnell did.
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Sep 1, 2014 01:25
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Capladi seems very intentionally like Hartnell in a lot of ways, starting basically from scratch and all that, so him progressing throughout his run won't be a surprising arc, but a very solid one anyway.
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Sep 1, 2014 01:44
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Delivery McGee posted:As for the Doctor not liking soldiers, he seemed to get along just fine with Jack Harkness, with a bit of mild scolding whenever Jack pulled a gun. On the other hand, Jack didn't introduce himself by waving a gun in the Doctor's face. Not to mention Jamie, who was a soldier. And Wilf. I'm sure there were others...
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Sep 1, 2014 01:46
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Astroman posted:Not to mention Jamie, who was a soldier. And Wilf. I'm sure there were others... Kate Stewart's father, for one.
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Sep 1, 2014 01:50
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I hated last week, but I thought this was perfectly fine. It probably helped I didn't try and watch it straight after an episode of True Detective this week. Whilst I'm sure the plot stood up to no scrutiny whatsoever, and it gave us nothing new thematically, it flowed nicely and I loved Ben Wheatley's direction. I've only seen Sightseers out of his films, but he seems really good at doing dreamscape stuff and the fact that the central conceit of this episode was kind of dumb meant it was suited to lots of trippy slow-mo Daleks. I wonder if he had any input into the score because I also enjoyed that, it had an excellent surreal edge, almost like the olden days. If it wasn't a great Doctor Who episode it was at least a visually fascinating bit of television and I'm cool with that. I enjoyed Capaldi, and Clara actually felt like a character and was written for! The new theme is growing on me, I just don't like the tremolo in the melody. I like the heavy synth bass which seems like a nod to the Howell theme, although I think that was already in last season's. edit: the Twelfth Doctor is too grimdark but so was Ten sometimes, at least this guy might be consistent Psybro fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Sep 1, 2014 01:56
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Gaz-L posted:Kate Stewart's father, for one. Rory for another if you consider a roman centurion a soldier.
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Sep 1, 2014 02:01
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I'm glad we'll hopefully see more of Danny Pink, I liked his character, he's basically the Doctor in emotions which is good. I liked him a lot. Plus this allows for some romance to be introduced. I watched this again and still think it's great, dunno I really like Capaldi's doctor. Also that Lady is totally the loving Valeyard.
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Sep 1, 2014 02:04
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Bicyclops posted:I cannot read most of this thread right now, because I can't see Into the Dalek until tomorrow, but I just had to say that the end of Big Finish's Gallifrey Season 2 (Imperiatrix) is loving amazing. Gallifrey is a convoluted political drama, but goddamn if the end isn't very, very Doctor Who. If you're interested in listening to it, do yourself a favor and don't spoil it for yourself. I'll agree with this. There were some stories a little later in that series that bored me a bit too much but it got back on track again soon afterwards.
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Yeah I'd say that the soldiers thing is probably a new development. I mean I don't think he's been a fan of the true rank-and-file type but that type isn't really restricted to soldiers and he disliked them in general. Maybe the "hate soldiers" thing is a throwaway thing, or maybe Mr Pink will help him figure out that he's being an idiot. We will see!
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Sep 1, 2014 02:05
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Hollismason posted:Also that Lady is totally the loving Valeyard. Dream Lord: Look look, I even dressed up as one of those "quirky" ladies you seem to love carting around with you like you were Truman Capote 
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Sep 1, 2014 02:19
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Jerusalem posted:DADDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYY! DE-FE-NE-STRATE! DE-FE-NE-STRATE!
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Sep 1, 2014 02:20
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Solaris Knight posted:Capladi seems very intentionally like Hartnell in a lot of ways, starting basically from scratch and all that, so him progressing throughout his run won't be a surprising arc, but a very solid one anyway. Hartnell? HARTNELL!? /sixthdoctor
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Sep 1, 2014 02:24
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With regards to Twelve doing lots of math in the last episode and having chalkboards around in this one, I like the idea that he's still working on the calcuations on exactly how to pull off the scheme to hide Gallifrey. At some point (almost certainly offscreen) he will realise that he needs to go help and pop back to make his appearance.
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Sep 1, 2014 03:03
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Senor Tron posted:With regards to Twelve doing lots of math in the last episode and having chalkboards around in this one, I like the idea that he's still working on the calcuations on exactly how to pull off the scheme to hide Gallifrey. At some point (almost certainly offscreen) he will realise that he needs to go help and pop back to make his appearance. That or something related to it (how to extract Gallifrey from its pocket dimension).
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Sep 1, 2014 03:03
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DoctorWhat posted:That or something related to it (how to extract Gallifrey from its pocket dimension). That's what I've been assuming he's working on. Having Time Lords back will be a huge game changer for the new series' stories. I will literally piss myself if they bring back the white and black guardians, too. Also, just as an aside, I am possibly in love with Capaldi in this role.
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Sep 1, 2014 03:06
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Senor Tron posted:With regards to Twelve doing lots of math in the last episode and having chalkboards around in this one, I like the idea that he's still working on the calcuations on exactly how to pull off the scheme to hide Gallifrey. At some point (almost certainly offscreen) he will realise that he needs to go help and pop back to make his appearance. He should already remember that he was there, so he knows that he'll have to do that, right? wasn't the implication that 11 remembered the events of Time of the Doctor? And if so, why didn't he realize he's going to regenerate in Day of the Doctor?
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Pigbog posted:He should already remember that he was there, so he knows that he'll have to do that, right? wasn't the implication that 11 remembered the events of Time of the Doctor? And if so, why didn't he realize he's going to regenerate in Day of the Doctor? I've read theories that the presence of Twelve and/or The Curator in Day made Eleven a "past Doctor" for the sake of the multi-Doctor story rules to some degree or another, and his memories of Day were compromised as a result.
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Sep 1, 2014 03:12
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Pigbog posted:He should already remember that he was there, so he knows that he'll have to do that, right? wasn't the implication that 11 remembered the events of Time of the Doctor? And if so, why didn't he realize he's going to regenerate in Day of the Doctor? The General and his staff spot his TARDIS, there's no indication that any of the other Doctors (who were pretty busy at the time!) did.
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Sep 1, 2014 03:12
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Hell even if they did, they might have just thoguht it was ANOTHER Seventh Doctor showing up to hog the glory.
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Burkion posted:Hell even if they did, they might have just thoguht it was ANOTHER Seventh Doctor showing up to hog the glory. Haha, in fact don't they show an older and younger version of the 7th Doctor during that section? 
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Jerusalem posted:Haha, in fact don't they show an older and younger version of the 7th Doctor during that section? Yes they did. In DW Magazine, Moffat answered where the Companions were during the past-Doctor clips, then was disappointed when no one asked "The McCoy question".
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DoctorWhat posted:I've read theories that the presence of Twelve and/or The Curator in Day made Eleven a "past Doctor" for the sake of the multi-Doctor story rules to some degree or another, and his memories of Day were compromised as a result. I think it'd be a mistake to get too caught up in untangling the rules here; Doctor Who's always worked more at an emotional, intuitive level than an intellectual one. Day was framed as Eleven's story and was part of Eleven's run- until the show suggests otherwise, I'm going to take it as read that Eleven was the primary.
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What question is that?
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I am so very glad there are threads like these on this glorious forum. This episode kicked rear end
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Autonomous Monster posted:I think it'd be a mistake to get too caught up in untangling the rules here; Doctor Who's always worked more at an emotional, intuitive level than an intellectual one. Day was framed as Eleven's story and was part of Eleven's run- until the show suggests otherwise, I'm going to take it as read that Eleven was the primary. Oh, absolutely - I'm not huge on rules anyway. I just felt like throwing that out there.
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Trin Tragula posted:I'd be more inclined to say that all the Daleks in the parliament think they're the Chief Whip. Isasmuch as they electro-whip lesser life forms before exterminating them.
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Craptacular! posted:
I really don't think she remembers any of her other lives. She didn't recognize Vastra for instance, when modern day Clara first went to Victorian London. I don't think she's even aware of it in the abstract. After all, one of Clara's lives literally was a good Dalek. You'd think that would have come up at some point.
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ashez2ashes posted:I really don't think she remembers any of her other lives. The Doctor asks her about it in Day of the Doctor and her answer indicates that she has basically very vague and undefined memories of what happened when she jumped into the Doctor's "scar"
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Hollismason posted:Also that Lady is totally the loving Valeyard. Next season... Gallifrey returns in... Another Trial of The Same Timelord Again.
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PriorMarcus posted:What question is that? If you look at the display screens the Doctors use to speak to the War Council, you see two McCoys-one clip from the show itself, another one which is clearly from the TV movie. The implication is two versions of the Seventh Doctor showed up to freeze Gallifrey.
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Barry Foster posted:I think it's mostly that he just doesn't give a rat's arse about most people - he's very early First Doctor in that respect. Also, someone in the last thread noted about how insecure and unsure 12 is, which I think is quite true. He's similar to early Hartnell in that respect, in that he doesn't have all the answers, and has to fumble around and gently caress things up occasionally. It's definitely a big change from 11, who was basically a loving wizard, and easily the most competent Doctor to date. Where Eleven was "What are you going to do?" "Something brilliant. Just you wait!" (Thinking, "I'd better come up with something.") Twelve is more "What are you going to do?" "Haven't a clue, but it'll be something good." And he believes it. He believes it so much that we believe it, and whoever he's talking to believes it. And we're even given a reason for it. Eleven was the one who forgets. He's running from the time war. It's why he's so young. He's competent when he avoids the atrocities he's involved in and isn't distracted by them but that came at a price, and now that he's actualized; now that he's facing his whole past and finally, finally dealing with it, he's full of doubt, angry, short with people, and best of all, confident anyway. He's old now because he's ready to face himself and his actions. Narratively speaking, I'm very much going to enjoy the moment(s) that Capaldi finally gets to be a kind old Santa Claus, because they will, in truth, be earned. They'll mean more. Senor Tron posted:With regards to Twelve doing lots of math in the last episode and having chalkboards around in this one, I like the idea that he's still working on the calcuations on exactly how to pull off the scheme to hide Gallifrey. At some point (almost certainly offscreen) he will realise that he needs to go help and pop back to make his appearance. Edit: Still waiting for my eye stalk, J-Ru!  Also, this is your yearly reminder that I gave you that nickname. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Here's something Mr Pink might be a part of: emotional responses to death. In this episode Clara sees first hand two people dying horrible, agonising deaths and hears the results of hundreds more. And yet, when she comes out of the closet, you barely recognise any emotional repercussions. When Pink is asked about whoever he killed, he cries in front of school kids. I hope that they make something of the different reactions.
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Bicyclops posted:I cannot read most of this thread right now, because I can't see Into the Dalek until tomorrow, but I just had to say that the end of Big Finish's Gallifrey Season 2 (Imperiatrix) is loving amazing. Gallifrey is a convoluted political drama, but goddamn if the end isn't very, very Doctor Who. If you're interested in listening to it, do yourself a favor and don't spoil it for yourself. Since I finished this just before the lead-in to the new season, I didn't get a chance to post anything about it myself, but yes. This series is fantastic - in part, because it's essentially a spin-off of Neverland (and we all know how we feel about that), but also the way it combine Babylon 5-style Space Politics/Ancient Evil with classic 70s Who Ham. Season two is an unabashed remake of Zagreus. And against all odds, they do it right this time.
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DoctorWhat posted:Yes they did. In DW Magazine, Moffat answered where the Companions were during the past-Doctor clips, then was disappointed when no one asked "The McCoy question". So where were the companions, then?
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Yvonmukluk posted:So where were the companions, then? The annual party at Adric's grave.
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Yvonmukluk posted:So where were the companions, then? They were all just off-camera, because the Doctor likes to do his big show-stopping numbers alone and shooed them out of frame. Which is wonderfully metatextual.
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Speaking of which, I like how Capaldi just drops Clara off at the end of each episode. It means decades of eventual Big Finish stories with a million different companions, each more fantastic than the last! Please?
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Astroman posted:And Wilf. I'm sure there were others... Wilf did National Service. (Ian was the right age to have been called up either for the war or National Service as well.) Being conscripted is an entirely different kettle of fish to career volunteer soldiers like the Brigadier and his men, who it took a long time of working with every day for the Doctor to warm up to. And, of course, let's not forget that HARRY SULLIVAN IS AN IMBECILE!!!!
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Delivery McGee posted:Eh, he did a better job at it than Jason Statham does at ... well, any accent, really. I liked his over-the-top fake Scottish accent in the episode with the werewolves and Queen Victoria, then saw an interview and realized that's how he actually talks. A bit like Dominic West in The Wire and Hugh Laurie in House when they put on stupid English accents. Jurgan posted:Finally, the Dalek Parliament makes sense! It's a pep rally! Here's a question: do people in America realise quite how fundamentally weird the concept of a pep rally is?
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