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My only immediate thought is that I now know why they placed the flashback episode where they did. Putting a face to all the departed and seeing where Nora's family was when the left really made that scene at the beginning hit home. Also, I kind of love that Wayne was just having his own background adventure for the whole show.
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Sep 8, 2014 04:24
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so the GR is smashed and Laurie is like homeless now or something lol
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Kevin getting his wish beautifully done, the dog was a nice touch. I don't know What's Next, but I'm on board for season two.
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Dantu posted:Kevin getting his wish beautifully done, the dog was a nice touch. I don't know What's Next, but I'm on board for season two. See, I'm sure there is going to be a lot of debate about what his wish was. I was sure it was "I don't want to be crazy" but given the way Wayne reacted, it was probably "I want my family back."
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Sep 8, 2014 04:41
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This show is good, the finale was great. I think Lindelof just gets a lot of hate because he is a tear-jerker, but since he hits the mark more often than not he doesn't need to apologize for it 
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Max posted:See, I'm sure there is going to be a lot of debate about what his wish was. Woah. Those were exactly my thoughts at the moment of the wish, and at Wayne's reaction. (I mean, I'm not *sure* Wayne "heard" it, I don't even think he "really" did, but the smile made me recalibrate the wish anyway.) The show is doing something right if it can clearly communicate both of those possibilities through acting, direction, and narrative buildup, without any words whatsoever.
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Sep 8, 2014 04:54
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Kevin clearly wished for a black baby. I thought that was okay, I was really hoping for a "game changer moment" or a crazy cliffhanger but oh well.
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If you read the book, the ending is almost exactly from the book. The last line is taken from the last line of the book as well. I love this cast and the art design and directing and the music but.....season 2 would be 100% Lindelof as there is no second book. At least this season he had the book as an outline. I have medium hopes he could pull it off.
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sd6 posted:That was something I guess. I like a lot of stuff about this show, but they need to chill out with the slow motion, hyper-emotional music segments. The dramatic effect kinda wears off when you do it nine times in an episode. Yea they must be really proud of their little piano ditty to keep playing it over and over
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Sep 8, 2014 05:25
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Thought that was really well done. I sorta wish we'd seen bit more of the GR's shenanigans but overall that was fantastic.
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Really good episode, and a great note on which to end the season. Glad Kevin's dog reappeared, under the matted fur that is one great looking dog. I'm hoping that next season is GR free and maybe we can find out a bit more about what's going on abroad. What's the connection between Wayne and Russia, for example? "U is for Uranium, for plots nefarious?"
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If I was going to formulate a theory about this show I would say that the people left behind are the ones that deserved a do-over.
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If the hints from Kevin's asylum dream bare out it looks like Anne Dowd might return next season. Hopefully, Scott Glenn will come back. If the rest of the season were as good as the last 2 episodes, this show would be The Wire or Sopranos good. As of now, this was the perfect way to end the series. Here's to Season 2 having some real inertia and not being 7 mediocre and 3 excellent episodes like Season 1. e:I keep forgetting that Anne Dowd was Betty Childress in True Detective and that was awesome. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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I'm hoping his wish was "Dogs should be cool". loving awesome show, amazing emotion and acting and drama and mystery. I love how we are all going bonkers wondering about uranium and the Ukraine and national geographic and the show is just plodding along not giving a gently caress if people understand or not.
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I'm pretty sure Asian girl gutted Wayne, the way the was talking before and then her leaving the baby and disappearing. I don't know how she found him but damned if I don't think it was her. I was thinking this was gonna be some inter-dimensional poo poo what with the bagels in the toaster early on in the season, now I don't know what the gently caress. Anyway, glad Nora didn't buy the farm, and was starting to get sad when I realized that the GR houses were on fire and GR were being attacked and Jill was wearing a GR uniform (which I assume is why Laurie was telling her it wasn't safe there since she had to know people were going to be just goddamn bonkers pissed). Also am I the only one who thought Nora was going to find a wax baby for Laurie's departaborted fetus? I almost hoped that was the case so that Kevin would see a wax baby or fetus there on his doorstep or whatever and wonder what the gently caress since he didn't know Laurie was prego. I don't think that would have been possible though since the GR couldn't have known she was ever pregnant either. But it would have been an interesting turn.
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I don't think Christine found Wayne in any bit. She just got overwhelmed by the whole truth of the situation and bailed, leaving a baby she didn't want. Pretty sure the ATFEC just found Wayne, shot him, he escaped and they eventually found him in that lovely diner restroom. I find it absolutely hilarious in his dying moments that he hopes he isn't a fraud and "grants" Kevin a wish. Obviously it would've happened anyway but that's just something else to make Kevin go crazy over. And I don't think any of the ATFEC agent's questions about Wayne and Russia mean jack poo poo, they're probably just shotgunning everything with questions and hoping something sticks. Kinda glad Nora probably isn't leaving, but the letter she wrote was really good anyway. Definitely surprised to see where it goes for season 2.
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Sober posted:Pretty sure the ATFEC just found Wayne, shot him, he escaped and they eventually found him in that lovely diner restroom. I find it absolutely hilarious in his dying moments that he hopes he isn't a fraud and "grants" Kevin a wish. Obviously it would've happened anyway but that's just something else to make Kevin go crazy over. That sequence actually made me think that there may be something to Wayne that the government knows and is trying to contain. "Did you make physical contact?" The laws of the universe are broken, and I think that there are people in the world that can now perform literal miracles. The government doesn't want to adapt, it wants to continue just as it had before (like most of the 98%), so it's taking out "cults" led by people who can now perform magic and cleansing the GR to help people move on.
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Professor Shark posted:"Did you make physical contact?" quote:The government doesn't want to adapt, it wants to continue just as it had before (like most of the 98%), so it's taking out "cults" led by people who can now perform magic and cleansing the GR to help people move on.
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Max posted:See, I'm sure there is going to be a lot of debate about what his wish was. I thought it was getting his family back.
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Dantu posted:I thought it was getting his family back. Yeah same. Jill has seemed to leave the GR, possibly Laura too. Tommy conveniently shows up and they get a god drat dog. He should have opted for not being crazy because I'm sure that's going to gently caress this all up.
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SLOSifl posted:This is stupid though, there's no reason to believe that. Why would you go straight to a government conspiracy? The government now has rapid response teams that go into cult facilities guns blazing, has facilities dedicated to burning the bodies of cult members, and asks questions specific to the claims of cult leaders who attract senators as believers 
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Automatic Slim posted:If the rest of the season were as good as the last 2 episodes, this show would be The Wire or Sopranos good. Yeah you're right, the show actually could end here and it would be satisfying, because it's not really a show that I expect real "answers" on. I didn't realize that this show was based on a book though - I'm a little nervous for how things proceed next season without any guidelines, but TV shows aren't ever really like their books anyways? I think the next-to-last episode was the best, but it really helped to setup the finale.
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They ignored the book for 80% of the season anyways. I'm sure next season will be just as good.
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Professor Shark posted:The government now has rapid response teams that go into cult facilities guns blazing, has facilities dedicated to burning the bodies of cult members, and asks questions specific to the claims of cult leaders who attract senators as believers
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imperialparadox posted:Yeah you're right, the show actually could end here and it would be satisfying, because it's not really a show that I expect real "answers" on. I didn't realize that this show was based on a book though - I'm a little nervous for how things proceed next season without any guidelines, but TV shows aren't ever really like their books anyways? The writer of the book is very directly involved, so it isn't that worrying. The Dave posted:Yeah same. Jill has seemed to leave the GR, possibly Laura too. Tommy conveniently shows up and they get a god drat dog. He should have opted for not being crazy because I'm sure that's going to gently caress this all up. I think it can go either way, but you're right, it was likely that he wished for his family back. Of course, Wayne could have had nothing to do with that and was just some fraud like he feared.
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This show had four or five stand-out episodes. off the top of my head, the final three were good, Rev Matt's story, and Norah's. The rest were mediocre to okay but I feel like I slogged through as many poo poo episodes of The Wire before I gleaned anything good from it.
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Max posted:Of course, Wayne could have had nothing to do with that and was just some fraud like he feared. Yeah that's the best / maddening thing is that all could have happened given the situations that occurred but we/Kevin will never know.
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The moment you realize Tommy's response to asian hooker ditching the baby is to ditch the baby again is the moment you realize how dogshit this show really is. I never watched Lost.
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SLOSifl posted:The government already has a rapid response team to deal with situations where someone has broken the law. There's no reason to add that it's specifically because they know about real miracles and are trying to suppress them. Although I don't remember a second cult raid and a facility for cremating cult members, but I may have missed an episode. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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I lol'd when Pattie is straddling the Chief and she says "Not DEEP.. enough!"   Heh
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tatopom posted:I lol'd when Pattie is straddling the Chief and she says "Not DEEP.. enough!" They did a good enough job making everything vague and mysterious on the rest of the season that it was almost believable that Patti didn't actually die.
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The Dave posted:Yeah same. Jill has seemed to leave the GR, possibly Laura too. Tommy conveniently shows up and they get a god drat dog. He should have opted for not being crazy because I'm sure that's going to gently caress this all up. For all we know, we've seen the end of the GR as an influential player but that certainly doesn't patch up all the issues going on in that family. I'm a little disappointed in the way Wayne's story was "wrapped up". It's almost like he was just a tool to make other stories more interesting or fill time. I mean, what if you completely eliminated everything we saw from Wayne except his interaction with Norah and his very last scene and Tommy suddenly showing up at the end of the season? Would we really miss out on that much? tadashi fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Dantu posted:I thought it was getting his family back. Yeah, it clearly was, because Wayne understood the wish and "saw" Tommy, hence the huge smile, because that made Wayne realize he was real and not a fraud.
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tadashi posted:For all we know, we've seen the end of the GR as an influential player but that certainly doesn't patch up all the issues going on in that family. The problem is that he exerted his influence in a lot of ways on the story, even if he wasn't that directly involved. Nora's development hinges entirely on meeting him in NYC, and in fact on finding that baby at the end. I think spending time on him wouldn't have worked so well, since (you're right) he was a tool to move things forward. The little we saw spoke enough about his situation, and I don't think the show wanted to focus too much on things happening outside of Mapleton. I hope we get to see more of some of the side characters in the next season. The Mayor seems ripe for story potential. Max fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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tadashi posted:For all we know, we've seen the end of the GR as an influential player but that certainly doesn't patch up all the issues going on in that family. I think we'll see them next season with Liv Tyler as the new Patty. Maybe even targeting Kevin and family for Laurie leaving. Tyler seemed to really have the zealot eyes at the end there.
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Toshimo posted:The moment you realize Tommy's response to asian hooker ditching the baby is to ditch the baby again is the moment you realize how dogshit this show really is. The difference is that he didn't ditch it on a gas station bathroom floor, he left it for his dad to find because he trusted Kevin to take care of an unwanted child (since he did it before with Tommy himself, at least from Tommy's perspective). Obviously it is still a generally lovely thing to do to leave a baby unattended anywhere (especially with rabid dog packs roaming the streets lol) but I am fine with chalking it up to artistic license for two reasons: 1) it allowed for an incredibly touching scene where Nora finds the baby and it allows her a moment of happiness to distract her from offing herself(or joining the GR?) 2) it is a symbolic thing for Tommy: he couldn't ask Kevin for help throughout the season and he finally does at the end although not directly, he just finally has faith that Kevin will help without needing to ask him hemophilia posted:This show had four or five stand-out episodes. off the top of my head, the final three were good, Rev Matt's story, and Norah's. This was a fantastic episode and I really want to rewatch the show to see if the earlier episodes work better when you have some idea of the themes and plotlines they are setting up. There were definitely a few slow episodes (I liked the pilot so really only 2 and 4 stood out as especially boring at the time), but they obviously set up a lot which had a big payoff later in the series. My only complaint about this episode is that I wish we had some kind of check in with Aimee and the Prius twins since they were the only characters we didn't see at least briefly (we saw a beat up LIv Tyler and the shellshocked mayor) and also the only characters who didn't also appear in episode 9.
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