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Any more dumb than calling out breadchat? Like I know we have to start somewhere but surely there's something better to latch on to.
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The only thing thats happened so far that I thought was interesting was people going back to bread chat after Murmur Twin started trying to make a case. As far as lurker chat goes, in the other games I played the consensus was that lurker lynches were usually a bad idea because its easy and doesn't give town something to go back and look at in the later days to make connections.
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Sep 10, 2014 00:46
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TwelveBaud posted:
I don't see calling out the lurkers as particularly scummy, especially if the intent was to get them to post more which is what it looked like to me. Am I completely off-base here?
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Sep 10, 2014 00:49
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TwelveBaud posted:Just got home from a long day at work, and if I ever get held 2 hours late, off the clock, for a meeting planning a product for a company that doesn't even exist yet, again, I'll... something involving new employment I guess. Phone post. I just threw out the bottom three names and asked for content. I'm willing to defend that. I also think it's silly to take anything from jokephase seriously. But I do think your deep analysis of it is a bit suspicious. I'm not reading into it, and I consider the thread a clean slate from when murmur started actually making a case.
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Sep 10, 2014 00:50
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soscannonballs posted:The only thing thats happened so far that I thought was interesting was people going back to bread chat after Murmur Twin started trying to make a case. As far as lurker chat goes, in the other games I played the consensus was that lurker lynches were usually a bad idea because its easy and doesn't give town something to go back and look at in the later days to make connections. Hmm, that return to bread talk would have been Met, but Murmur Twin directly asked if anyone else had bread things to share after posting their case: Murmur Twin posted:Adus/anyone else, any leads and/or stories about their favorite type of bread?
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Sep 10, 2014 00:53
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Yeah that's what bugged me a little. He made a case (which I like even if its a weak case because it gets the game out of the awkward beginning phase) but then he just left the opening for people to continue talking about bread, as if he was just making a token case to look town while still encouraging people to not do any real casing.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:14
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Not terrible logic. They also asked for leads, but I guess that would be a pretty good way of keeping things ambiguous. They went out of thread to find PMs posting patterns which seems like something you might do if you needed a case and wanted to appear to be making a good town effort. That combined with the return to bread could indicate something?
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Sep 10, 2014 01:23
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The lurkers are probably scum because they're not posting. Unless they're newbies in which case they're probably afraid to jump in. Unless they want us to think that and are actually money... unless they knew we'd think that. ...the wine in front of me. Australia.
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Sep 10, 2014 05:42
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To be honest, Met, I think you're posting about as much as the other newbies.
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Sep 10, 2014 05:49
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Met posted:Unless they want us to think that and are actually money... unless they knew we'd think that. Does money = scum?
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Sep 10, 2014 05:51
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The Carpet Shark posted:To be honest, Met, I think you're posting about as much as the other newbies. I'm 12 hours off of EST. I'm up all night, baby.
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Sep 10, 2014 05:53
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The Carpet Shark posted:To be honest, Met, I think you're posting about as much as the other newbies. Yeah, I was typing random stuff in while watching the scene WIFOM is based on.
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Sep 10, 2014 05:55
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for now, i think this is an okay move. i am willing to change it if better ideas come up. also, this person has not been back in here to defend themselves since they came under some legitimate flak. anyway, deadline is coming right up, so i think putting on a hint of pressure is a good idea regardless. ##vote murmur twin
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Sep 10, 2014 06:04
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makia edit. ##vote murmur twin
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Sep 10, 2014 06:04
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Propaganda Machine posted:makia edit. This is interesting, because both you and murmur twin are going back and forth accusing each other. I am not sure who to pick yet. I am going to see what (if anything) is said tonight and make my decision when I get up tomorrow.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:14
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Strong Mouse posted:This is interesting, because both you and murmur twin are going back and forth accusing each other. I am not sure who to pick yet. I am going to see what (if anything) is said tonight and make my decision when I get up tomorrow. i actually never accused mt of anything. i responded to her valid points in pure defense, because they were kind of valid. but further posts from other people noted that: a) she called me scum because excessive breadtalk and lowercase b) she encouraged further breadtalk c) she went through my post history to case me so, i think this is a better vote than just going after a newbie who doesn't post much. like i said, i'm open to other suggestions.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:17
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Propaganda Machine posted:i actually never accused mt of anything. i responded to her valid points in pure defense, because they were kind of valid. but further posts from other people noted that: I get you points. I quickly skimmed your posts, and didn't see that you didn't accuse her of anything. I thought it was mutual accusations. I am still going to wait until tomorrow to do anything. (And do it right when I get up for maximum "What was I thinking?" later)
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Sep 10, 2014 06:21
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Strong Mouse posted:This is interesting, because both you and murmur twin are going back and forth accusing each other. I am not sure who to pick yet. I am going to see what (if anything) is said tonight and make my decision when I get up tomorrow. You are acting like MT and PM are the only two choices in that you have to "pick" one of them. It also sounds like you are going to rely on other people to make cases and then just vote on the one that sounds best, which is pretty scummy.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:23
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I think the thing that stands out most about Murmur Twin is the idea of going out of game to get posting information. Meta is, as far as I'm aware, a really bad way of reading compared to actual in thread information. Going out of your way to gather meta-info is even weirder. Is it scum weird or newbie weird? That's the key point here.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:26
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soscannonballs posted:You are acting like MT and PM are the only two choices in that you have to "pick" one of them. It also sounds like you are going to rely on other people to make cases and then just vote on the one that sounds best, which is pretty scummy. I wasn't actually thinking of picking either of them. If people bring good cases against them I might, but I plan on looking at what's happened throughout the thread before I do anything. I actually don't think either of them look particularly scummy.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:26
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Mr. Maltose posted:I think the thing that stands out most about Murmur Twin is the idea of going out of game to get posting information. Meta is, as far as I'm aware, a really bad way of reading compared to actual in thread information. Going out of your way to gather meta-info is even weirder. Is it scum weird or newbie weird? That's the key point here. I'm reading it as more newbie weird. murmur twin, what game number is this for you?
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Sep 10, 2014 06:28
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Met posted:I'm 12 hours off of EST. I'm up all night, baby. Oh crap, apologies for completely missing the 'Australia' bit in your one post. Now things are making more sense.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:30
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Strong Mouse posted:I wasn't actually thinking of picking either of them. If people bring good cases against them I might, but I plan on looking at what's happened throughout the thread before I do anything. I actually don't think either of them look particularly scummy. Is there anyone you do think is scummy?
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Sep 10, 2014 06:38
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The Carpet Shark posted:Oh crap, apologies for completely missing the 'Australia' bit in your one post. Now things are making more sense. That was just a joke on the Wallace Shawn character going off on some tangent about Australia while trying to figure out which glass was poisoned.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:40
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Met posted:That was just a joke on the Wallace Shawn character going off on some tangent about Australia while trying to figure out which glass was poisoned. Oh God... Then never mind... I am an idiot...
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Sep 10, 2014 06:50
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Strong Mouse posted:I'm reading it as more newbie weird. easy ask http://votefinder.org/player/murmur-twin she is about as experienced as i am. that probably means she's equally frustrated in her sa mafia experience, but, you know, i haven't read her games.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:54
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soscannonballs posted:Is there anyone you do think is scummy? I just went through the thread to see what everybody has said. The only thing that really stuck out to me was TwelveBaud posted:Just got home from a long day at work, and if I ever get held 2 hours late, off the clock, for a meeting planning a product for a company that doesn't even exist yet, again, I'll... something involving new employment I guess. because it seems like he's trying to push something, but it doesn't feel scummy to me. Beyond that, not really.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:55
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Propaganda Machine posted:easy ask Well that site looks helpful... I should really look at these things
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Sep 10, 2014 06:56
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though if she would like to actually comment about her seven games, that would be really neat.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:56
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yeah, so, since i actually know i'm town, and there are two people actively pushing for me, that seems suspicious. that reads like a scumdoc strategizing. but what do i know, right?
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Sep 10, 2014 06:57
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Propaganda Machine posted:yeah, so, since i actually know i'm town, and there are two people actively pushing for me, that seems suspicious. that reads like a scumdoc strategizing. but what do i know, right? There's murmur twin and who?
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Sep 10, 2014 06:59
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Sep 10, 2014 07:01
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Ahh yeah, I just quoted what he had said, and then forgot about it.
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i'm more willing to go for murmur because it was a very brash move, and very strangely substantiated. twelve doesn't look good, but for now he's slightly less suspicious. i could forgive him for hopping on the only case that existed at the time.
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Twelvebaud certainly has a goofier case with the idea that Prop is subtly trying to convince us that everything is bread and therefore town and butter is pathetic therefore scum is not dangerous. Which honestly adds to their towniness. It reminds me of the last time an arguement was so whackadoo the person pulling it could only come up with it as town. It's too risky as scum to get that crazy with your arguments, because it's a very weak position. Swear to god though, if it gets to be a thing like it was in Battleship Mafia I will be very cross.
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Sep 10, 2014 07:09
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Mr. Maltose posted:Twelvebaud certainly has a goofier case with the idea that Prop is subtly trying to convince us that everything is bread and therefore town and butter is pathetic therefore scum is not dangerous. thunderdome or whatever bummed me out so hard.
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Mr. Maltose posted:Twelvebaud certainly has a goofier case with the idea that Prop is subtly trying to convince us that everything is bread and therefore town and butter is pathetic therefore scum is not dangerous. That should read "a very weak position to defend."
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Sep 10, 2014 07:10
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toot toot i'm a tugboat
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Sep 10, 2014 07:11
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Thunderdrome was dumb, Scout Ship and spending like 4 hours in the early AM was even worse. Fast Luck - too goddamn dense to be scum.
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my suspicion leans more toward murmur for really getting the ball rolling with not much to go on, but this is also my first game so who knows maybe this is just how this poo poo starts. it just feels super lame to start accusing people over almost nothing. battleship is one of the few games i skimmed in preparation and that seemed particularly frustrating. also 'being light-hearted about butter' is a hilarious phrase to me
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