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Dead Snoopy posted:Yeah, that Hail Mary really worked for Terriers... That seems like a lifetime ago. Especially now with Tyrant getting the go ahead for a second season. While it may be the lowest rated, I can't imagine that it's expensive to make. Come on second season!
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Dead Snoopy posted:Sam Elliott and Garret Dillahunt have been cast in the final season of Justified on F/X: Was Sam Elliot's mustache also cast?
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bobkatt013 posted:Was Sam Elliot's mustache also cast? It's a packaged deal. It's always been a packaged deal.
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Gonz posted:It's a packaged deal. It's always been a packaged deal. Well someone never saw the all-time classic Frogs.
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Sep 19, 2014 20:58
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Deadpool posted:Well someone never saw the all-time classic Frogs. No I haven't, and I feel like that's something I have to rectify at some point in the near future.
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Deadpool posted:Well someone never saw the all-time classic Frogs. Or The Legacy...
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Dead Snoopy posted:Sam Elliott and Garret Dillahunt have been cast in the final season of Justified on F/X: I love Sam Elliott!  Fun fact: he played my great-great uncle in a movie. We're practically family now. I wish. 
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Gonz posted:No I haven't, and I feel like that's something I have to rectify at some point in the near future. If you like really cheesy bad movies then yes you should.
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Dead Snoopy posted:Sam Elliott and Garret Dillahunt have been cast in the final season of Justified on F/X: This is it. The best thing.
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oshuaj posted:This is it. The best thing. Seriously, I don't even need Ian McShane anymore. Sam Elliot's on Justified. They've won.
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Random Stranger posted:In fairness to DC, they've spent the past forty years trying to fix this with varying levels of success. Power Girl, for example, was introduced in the 70's to be a feminist Supergirl. Complaining that female heroines are intrinsically connected to their male counterparts is disingenuous. Of course Supergirl only exists and operates in relation to Superman. Nobody likes Supergirl because she's an interesting character. They like her because she's a copy-and-pasted version of a genuinely interesting and incredibly popular character. If DC had any sense, they'd produce a comedic Superman's Girlfriend, Lois Lane series. No bullshit drama, just Lois fighting her lizard clone, accidentally dropping the city of Kandar down a sewer, or going back in time to sabotage Lana and Clark's first date.
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So I'm trying to make sense of this DC movie and tv thing. Someone tell me if I got it right or wrong. Man of Steel is the start of a DC Movie Universe like Marvel's that continues with Batman vs Superman, Justice League, and then a bunch of unnamed ones. None of the past stuff including the Bale Batman films have anything to do with it. At the same time DC is flooding the tv market with shows but they're not part of the movie universe? But at the same time they're keeping the tv and movie characters seperate and some of the tv shows crossover (Arrow/Flash) and some don't based on networks? But it sounds like there isn't any real coherent plan here as far as continuity, its just about throwing as much poo poo at the wall as possible to see what sticks? On the flip side the Marvel stuff is ALL connected, right? All the movies, Agents of Shield, the upcoming Captain America spinoff, and the Netflix series in development? Basically an entire insane multi media universe that revolves around Sam Jackson's eyepatch?
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It helps that Disney owns all the means to get the stories out by film and tv. Warner doesn't have anything like that kind of vertical/horizontal integration.
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Irish Joe posted:Complaining that female heroines are intrinsically connected to their male counterparts is disingenuous. Of course Supergirl only exists and operates in relation to Superman. Nobody likes Supergirl because she's an interesting character. They like her because she's a copy-and-pasted version of a genuinely interesting and incredibly popular character. That doesn't mean people wouldn't like her if she was interesting and not just "Superman but female." quote:If DC had any sense, they'd produce a comedic Superman's Girlfriend, Lois Lane series. No bullshit drama, just Lois fighting her lizard clone, accidentally dropping the city of Kandar down a sewer, or going back in time to sabotage Lana and Clark's first date. DC seems to be way too invested in the DARK N GRITTY poo poo even though it seems like audiences got tired of that poo poo years ago and Marvel is making money hand over fist by embracing the inherent silliness of superheroes and throwing in comedic elements here and there. ...Well, excepting Arrow and Flash, at least.
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STAC Goat posted:So I'm trying to make sense of this DC movie and tv thing. Someone tell me if I got it right or wrong. Yes, to put a fine point on it here's a comparison of the universes DC: 1) DC "movie universe" consists of man of steel and bvs 1b) bvs universe, shares some qualities of man of steel but they're also diverging in some major ways, looks like batman is gonna be the dark knight returns batman and apparently any Adams won't be reprising her role in bvs? This will also apparently feed into the justice league movie...maybe 2) Constantine universe 3) Gotham universe 4) supergirl universe (assumingly), could be directly tied to movie universe because of Wbs preexisting relationship with CBS 5) arrow/flash universe 6) teen titans universe 7) various cartoon show universes Marvel 1) MCU, consists of all marvel produced films (starting with iron man and ending most recently with guardians), agents of shield, and all Netflix miniseries 2) various cartoon show universes Basically the rule of thumb for DC is if it's not a movie it's in a separate universe unless it's on the same network (and even then, the movies aren't necessarily within the same universe, green lantern is apparently not canon and if bvs is a critical flop (which it probably will be) they'll reboot the universe AGAIN For marvel it's if it's live action it's within the MCU
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Thwomp posted:It helps that Disney owns all the means to get the stories out by film and tv. Warner doesn't have anything like that kind of vertical/horizontal integration. I'm trying to parse what you mean, that time warner doesn't own movie studios or development houses? Because they uh...do raditts posted:That doesn't mean people wouldn't like her if she was interesting and not just "Superman but female." It's not even that though cap 2 was great and made a ton of cash and it was essentially a political thriller with superpowers The reason why marvels been critically and commercially successful has been brand management and patience, again they waited like eight years just to have their team up movie and waited almost a decade before putting out a television program They put in the time patience and effort to create a universe large enough to have all these concurrent stories and as a result they're reaping the rewards It also helps that Tonally the mcu movies have been very different, I mean cap 2 was again basically a thriller and guardians was essentially a misplaced 70s scifi film made on a AAA budget Compare to DC which made green lantern which was a critical flop and they've retreated to aping Nolan over and over in their film slate and having zero brand oversight in their television properties NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Toxxupation posted:It also helps that Tonally the mcu movies have been very different, I mean cap 2 was again basically a thriller and guardians was essentially a misplaced 70s scifi film made on a AAA budget Flash and Arrow share a universe and if they build on that they could have something good on their hands, but I'm sure DC is as surprised at Arrow being a success as anybody and they probably won't have a shared universe across the shows on different networks. I wish we had gotten the Robert Smigel / Jack Black Green Arrow movie. It might not have been good, but at least it wouldn't be boring and forgettable like Ryan Reynolds was in it and pretty much everything else he stars in.
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Toxxupation posted:1) DC "movie universe" consists of man of steel and bvs The plot is a direct follow-up to Man of Steel, apparently starting during the events of the end of that movie. Amy Adams is returning at Lois Lane. Toxxupation posted:It also helps that Tonally the mcu movies have been very different, I mean cap 2 was again basically a thriller and guardians was essentially a misplaced 70s scifi film made on a AAA budget The MCU films are tonally very similar, they're all lightly comic and maintain an ironic distance from the material. They applies this to different genres (conspiracy thriller, space opera, buddy cop action). That's basically what the Marvel brand is, and the "shared universe" promise, since most people don't care about plot, is a promise that the tone will be maintained no matter what genres they might expand to. If they make a psychedelic Dr. Strange, you can rest assured it will be a lightly comic and ironically distant psychedelia. It's turned out to be a powerful brand to have, and it's even produced a couple of good movies (Cap 2, Guardians). Green Lantern was DC's attempt to do the same, and it was god awful. So they've dropped the ironic distance and, unfortunately, the comedic aspects that were present even in the Nolan movies. At least, they did in Man of Steel, hopefully Batman v Superman corrects this.
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Captain America 1 is ironic? Ghostrider 2 is light? I think you're mistaking a deft ability to juggle tones in a mainstream summer movie with tarring them as being the exact same thing.
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Shageletic posted:Captain America 1 is ironic? Ghostrider 2 is light? You're right that Cap 1 is a mild exception, I should have mentioned that. It's lightly comic, but it doesn't think the idea of Captain America is ridiculous once he actually starts standing up for what he believes in. They ran the hell away from that for Cap 2. The Incredible Hulk is also a little more distinct. The tonal similarity got a lot tighter once it became clear that Iron Man was the star and they started hiring TV directors who are used to copying an established tone while putting a little of their own spin on it. They're, of course, not "the exact same," which is why I said "very similar." Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance isn't an MCU movie. It was Columbia Pictures (i.e., Sony). Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Ghostrider films aren't in the MCU as far as I understand. I think I agree with Sir Kodiak. I'm not a fantasy or sci if fan but I have no qualms with watching Thor or Guardians because I fully expect all the MCU movies to carry the same kind of light hearted, jokey but serious tone to them. They seem to walk this nice line between not taking themselves so seriously that it feels silly or bogged down but also taking themselves seriously enough that it feels real and meaningful. I would say more than anything what I'm a fan of with the MCU is partly why I like USA as a network. When I start watching one of their new shows/movies I have a pretty good idea of what to expect and it hits the right chords with me. Besides that I'm just impressed with the sheer ambition of what they're doing since I can't think of anything like it.
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Are there any universes besides Marvel and DC, because I don't like either.
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Ravane posted:Are there any universes besides Marvel and DC, because I don't like either.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakBfSnRKjo
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Ravane posted:Are there any universes besides Marvel and DC, because I don't like either. There's always Once Upon a Time's multiverse 
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The Tumblr Omegaverse. 
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Munch is in The Wire, Law and Order, and Homicide.
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VagueRant posted:Just out of curiosity, what Doctor Who episode was it? I don't think I've actually seen any of the ones considered tearjerkers. Sorry this is so late, but the one that got me was The Girl Who Waited. I'm not sure it would have quite the impact as a stand alone episode if you didn't know what she had been through just to travel with the Doctor, but essentially I'm used to Doctor Whowrapping up the episode with a nice tidy bow on top. The bow for that episode is a bit gnarled, not quite tied right, and a bit off to the side. And for some reason it got me. I won't go into details because I've been enjoying the Toxx/Oxx thread and don't want to give away too much, but I thought that episode it great And while writing this I just remembered that Vincent and the Doctor got me too. That one can work as a stand alone, it doesn't pull punches with depression, and handles it better than most non-family orientated shows. It hits you hard. Real hard.
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Mu Zeta posted:Munch is in The Wire, Law and Order, and Homicide. Munch is everywhere.
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Thwomp posted:It helps that Disney owns all the means to get the stories out by film and tv. Warner doesn't have anything like that kind of vertical/horizontal integration. There's really no excuse DC has. They own all their licenses to the characters and can easily have a shared universe if they so pleased. The opposite is the case for Marvel where Fox still owns movie rights to a lot of property and Sony still has Spider-man for what seems like as long as both those studios wish to crank out bad movie after bad until it's unprofitable. Warner is a huge television and movie division, but they've always been afraid of their own monsters and lacked confidence that their product will meet a demand. How long has a wonder woman film been on the back burner because they were unsure that it would succeed or that there was a demand for it?
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Jack Skeleton posted:There's really no excuse DC has. Yeah, it would be better described as a justification: by not demanding a shared universe they've allowed distinct filmmakers to present their own vision. Christopher Nolan can have his Batman retire at the end of his trilogy, while Tony Stark is going to have to get back into that suit in movie after movie.
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And you don't lose good directors for not wanting to meet the house style.
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Yeah, losing someone as inventive and interesting as Edgar Wright really shows that drawback. Meanwhile, DC has been able to let loose Christopher Nolan, Zack Snyder, and are rumored to be bringing David Ayer onboard for a Suicide Squad movie. Joss Whedon, Shane Black, and James Gunn are interesting writers, but they vary from solid (Gunn and Black) to poor (Whedon) as directors.
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I can't even begin to describe how goony it is to look at DC's TV properties — a fairly successful Green Arrow show about to start its third season, a Flash show with a promising pilot, and a vaguely Batman-ish show with great leads — and call that a failure because they aren't going to be dropping references to each other. I think DC has rightly concluded that the only people who care about whether Batman's favorite ice cream flavor is consistent across all of their properties are turbonerds.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, it would be better described as a justification: by not demanding a shared universe they've allowed distinct filmmakers to present their own vision. Christopher Nolan can have his Batman retire at the end of his trilogy, while Tony Stark is going to have to get back into that suit in movie after movie. Yeah, pretty much this. I'd rather more energy go into making a good and interesting movie than it being directed at making sure you've met every requirement or didn't step out of bounds of some studio mandated checklist for whatever franchise it is that needs another sequel.
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Mu Zeta posted:Marvel movies are super bland. Or at least the endings are bland. The last act always goes on auto-pilot and they all look the same. JohnSherman posted:I can't even begin to describe how goony it is to look at DC's TV properties — a fairly successful Green Arrow show about to start its third season, a Flash show with a promising pilot, and a vaguely Batman-ish show with great leads — and call that a failure because they aren't going to be dropping references to each other. I think DC has rightly concluded that the only people who care about whether Batman's favorite ice cream flavor is consistent across all of their properties are turbonerds.
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JohnSherman posted:I can't even begin to describe how goony it is to look at DC's TV properties — a fairly successful Green Arrow show about to start its third season, a Flash show with a promising pilot, and a vaguely Batman-ish show with great leads — and call that a failure because they aren't going to be dropping references to each other. I think DC has rightly concluded that the only people who care about whether Batman's favorite ice cream flavor is consistent across all of their properties are turbonerds. The problem is that if the end go.. or now the short term goal is to make a Justice League feature, having half the line up locked up in a world that they won't touch because it's on a different screen size really does screw up the program. The double edged sword of the free thinking and self contained hero story is that you get stuff like the rebooted Batman series and most recently Green Lantern. Not to mention failed attempt at other C-listers like the Shaq STEEL movie. Warner has not had much faith in their properties. Look at Constantine. They didn't have the belief that unless you Americanized John up, no one would care. Now the NBC show looks amazing and it's true to the book as it could be. Though, I am one of those who didn't care for Nolan's Batman in the slightest.
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