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Kin posted:Was that a really dangerous thing to do or something? It felt better afterwards so I've never questioned it. Any sort of spinal adjustment is dangerous, but a trained physio is actually qualified to do it, while a chiropractor is just a quack.
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Kin posted:I ended up going to a sports physio for a knee injury who noticed that my back pain/inflammation was being caused by a slipped disc (he spotted that my heels were uneven or something). He did a spinal adjustment or two over a couple of sessions and my back has been better ever since. A proper sports physio is very different from a chiropractor.
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Kin posted:I ended up going to a sports physio for a knee injury who noticed that my back pain/inflammation was being caused by a slipped disc (he spotted that my heels were uneven or something). He did a spinal adjustment or two over a couple of sessions and my back has been better ever since. Chiropractic is just above acupuncture on the "Nonsense masquerading a medicine" scale. ^^^ Although, yeah, sports physio is different to someone who says "I can manipulate your spine and cure your cancer".
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Physiotherapists get degrees and stuff. Chiropractors send off to the chiropractor club and ask for a badge.
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Kin posted:I ended up going to a sports physio for a knee injury who noticed that my back pain/inflammation was being caused by a slipped disc (he spotted that my heels were uneven or something). He did a spinal adjustment or two over a couple of sessions and my back has been better ever since. The problem is back pain most often resolves itself and you only have the chiro's word for it that you had a slipped disc. Physiotherapy has afaik evidence in support of it as an intervention whereas osteopathy and chiropractic don't. My counter anecdote would be my sister who swears by osteopathy, and suffering from excruciating back pain went for session after session to her osteo. After six weeks she saw the GP, who referred her to a physio and two sessions of heating, massage, NSAIDs and exercises later back is feeling much better.
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Spangly A posted:The last ridiculous thing I saw was a sign on the front door warning about some ultra-killer MDMA/Acid/Heroin hybrid called strawberry something and an advertisement for the usual morality brigade helplines. There are so many things that parents should actually give a poo poo about that this sort of stuff should really have a legal penalty around it. Gum posted:There are people who say whiplash isn't a thing? Trigeminal neuralgia sometimes gets similar treatment because there are few external signs and a small minority of people have faked it for drug seeking purposes, therefore some stupid people believe that the whole thing is a fake, or that it might be real but it's so rare that *your* case is probably fake.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Chiropractic is just above acupuncture on the "Nonsense masquerading a medicine" scale. Chiropractic is an odd one, there is some Science to the practice and it has been shown to positively help neck and back pains but the field is full of quakes and completely ungoverned or properly scrutinized. My girlfriend goes every few months and she says it helps but I refuse, even though her chiropractor seems like one of the more sensible ones. I have a strange spine and I wouldn't trust someone without a medical degree manipulating it.
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Yeah Chiropractic is oddly split between quacks who think it cures caner and such and the other side who just want to be back physios. Though their cause would be helped by getting qualified and regulated so hey. I've seen the look the specialist spinal physio at my Trust get about chiro stuff, it's a scary look... Also the only time I've seen "their chiropractor said/thinks" in spinal referrals from (upper)middle class sounding families in the fancy countryside villages around here. DroneRiff fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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Mega Comrade posted:Chiropractic is an odd one, there is some Science to the practice and it has been shown to positively help neck and back pains but the field is full of quakes and completely ungoverned or properly scrutinized. My girlfriend goes every few months and she says it helps but I refuse, even though her chiropractor seems like one of the more sensible ones. I have a strange spine and I wouldn't trust someone without a medical degree manipulating it. Yeah, there are proper physios that use elements of chiropractic in their work but it's a bit of a stopped clock thing - turns out chiropractic-style adjustments happen to be good for certain conditions purely by coincidence. The underlying philosophy is every bit as quacky (quackish?) as reiki or faith healing.
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HortonNash posted:The problem is back pain most often resolves itself and you only have the chiro's word for it that you had a slipped disc. Physiotherapy has afaik evidence in support of it as an intervention whereas osteopathy and chiropractic don't. Ah, well like i said, it was a sports physio (he used to do the physio for the local football team) not a chiro that i went to. The biggest thing that got me was that he was just asking me if i had any other joint aches and pains when he was looking at my knee and i casually mentioned that my back had been inflamed periodically for x years. I explained how it got injured to him the same way i did to the doctors a few years earlier and he just told me to flip over and then had me bend my legs at the knee so he could see if my heels were different lengths. They way he did it made it seem like it was a pretty much the first thing you do to look for a slipped disc (which then seemed to be corroborated when he fixed it with a focused spinal adjustment) and it just surprised me that none of the specialists, GPs or physios i saw before him checked for it.
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Spangly A posted:The last ridiculous thing I saw was a sign on the front door warning about some ultra-killer MDMA/Acid/Heroin hybrid called strawberry something and an advertisement for the usual morality brigade helplines. There are so many things that parents should actually give a poo poo about that this sort of stuff should really have a legal penalty around it. Could it have been Strawberry...Cake? 
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Guavanaut posted:There have been a couple of cases of people who have faked whiplash for compensation. This then becomes a brush to tar everyone else as 'how do you know they're not faking it because...'. The because is usually because the person saying it is an rear end in a top hat. Yeah I've heard about all that, I just had no idea that there were people who claimed the condition didn't exist at all
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There was also a huge wave of overdiagnosing all sorts of back/neck-related poo poo as whiplash back in the nineties which contributed a lot to it. It's sort of like how everyone's a depressed autist today.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L46OvAUu-6M Just watch it
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Guavanaut posted:Strawberry Quick? I have no idea why everything has to be a combination of skunk and crack and ibuprofen now though. That'd be the one, poprocks was definitely in the description. I do remember very firmly the MDMA/Heroin thing though so it'd been altered. Bullshit like that pisses me off when you could put "is your kid hanging outside spoons in the morning? should probably have a word" and maybe you'd help someone out but no, lets make up stuff that makes Nigerian princes look legit.
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crystalline MDMA looks like that popping candy anyway. doesn't taste quite as nice tho'. quite glad the UK doesn't have a crystal meth problem.
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DroneRiff posted:Yeah Chiropractic is oddly split between quacks who think it cures caner and such and the other side who just want to be back physios. Though their cause would be helped by getting qualified and regulated so hey. Chiropractors are stat regulated, like doctors, nurses, paramedics and ...hearing aid dispensers. They can only work and advertise within the bounds of the GCC, although that gave rise to the 600 complaints about iffy advertising claims that had to be mostly dismissed because they had been citing guidance from said regulator..
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1 800 J JAMES posted:Chiropractors are stat regulated, like doctors, nurses, paramedics and ...hearing aid dispensers. Opps. To think I pride myself on my nerdy NHS knowledge 
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I visited a Chiropractor privately. Whilst they didn't cure my chronic migraines they helped with my literally retarded neck muscles that had lead to the migraines increasing in regularity to the point where life loving suuuuucked. I could have gone to a sports physio but I've never had much success with GP referrals. They are regulated, although I'm not sure how much. Kinda surprised there's such a backlash (heh) around the profession tbh.
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tdrules posted:Kinda surprised there's such a backlash (heh) around the profession tbh. They kill and cripple people. This is a thing chiros actually do.
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Spangly A posted:They kill and cripple people. This is a thing chiros actually do. So do doctors.
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Red7 posted:So do doctors. They're trying to do the opposite though, whereas a best-case for most chiropractors is "didn't kill anyone today" Anything they do that's useful is done better by actual physios. alternate medicine + efficiacy = medicine etc.
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DroneRiff posted:Opps. To think I pride myself on my nerdy NHS knowledge Regulated doesn't mean effective or safe. I'm not sure how you linked the NHS in.
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DroneRiff posted:Opps. To think I pride myself on my nerdy NHS knowledge You can perform surgery on babies in the nhs with no training, but only get banned for it for 2 years. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-29181053 But that it is only if you are a doctor. You can compare and contrast this to things nurses have been struck off for. I have- if you're a posh doctor with an education and a middle class life you can get away with far more.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpypYcMe16I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scBif3NgbNE listen to that poo poo you middleclass university educated fucks General China fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:He was a poo poo, but he certainly seemed more human than his southern lizard men counterparts. I mean could you see any of them being nice to their parody account on Twitter? Angry Salmond would of made Scotland not only Independent...but Sexy too.
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I'd have thought that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr30FEkfevo was more General China's anthem these days. ... and at the risk of posting something topical, 68% of Unison members have voted in favour of strike action, with 88% voting in favour of less-than-strike action. Note that this story is from a few days ago and has a distinct lack of Tory shitweasels towing the old 'no mandate' line (given that 68% turnout is really loving high for any sort of vote these days). kingturnip fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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General China posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpypYcMe16I if youre going to do your divide and be conquered thing with spoken word you could at least avoid the national curriculum, I mean I left school at 15 and I'd already covered Linton. What's next, you introduce us to loving Gil Scott-Heron? The XX beat you to that.
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kingturnip posted:I'd have thought that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr30FEkfevo was more General China's anthem these days. its all sheep and silage round me, no need for those combine harvesters I could call on the agricultural spirit of resistance- Captain Swing was a drat fine man
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Spangly A posted:oh oh, do Billy Bragg, I didn't hear four people cover A New England repeatedly over two years or anything you have got very bad taste in music
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General China posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpypYcMe16I My Evangelion ost are much better and come in .FLAC format.
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General China posted:you have got very bad taste in music did your flatcap block the sight of my point going over your head or something? I spend my day on the streets helping homeless people avoid or actively gently caress over debt collectors. Please tell me more about how my middle-class education cannot in any way be used in the great class struggle that left you behind shortly before Marx published anything.
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Spangly A posted:did your flatcap block the sight of my point going over your head or something? you seem quite angry and middleclass
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General China posted:you seem quite angry and middleclass you're a class traitor and I bet it hurts you more than my families luck and bastardry hurts me.
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You're both saying things that cannot ever be taken back. Please stop this.
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