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HDC
Mar 11, 2006

darth cookie posted:

Why would you bother? Russians don't watch F1. :v:

Who told you that?

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Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Fumble posted:

Russian maffia Government Officials weren't standing next to him in the simulator.

Fixed that for you
(same thing, amirite?)

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Linedance posted:

Fixed that for you
(same thing, amirite?)

Of course not. If you pay what the mafia asks for they leave you alone, and if you pay premium, they see that you are not bothered again.

GramCracker
Oct 8, 2005

beauty by stroll

Der Kyhe posted:

Of course not. If you pay what the mafia asks for they leave you alone, and if you pay premium, they see that you are not bothered again.

So Bernie has definitely paid for the Extra Premium subscription.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Mimetic posted:


As for passes, do you mean on-site or offsite? On-site is like $200 for a pass, while the offsite lot is $60.


F1 really is such a total rip off compared to WEC.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

drgitlin posted:

F1 really is such a total rip off compared to WEC.

I want to do F1, but I know for a fact that it won't be at Austin for those prices.

If I'm doing it? First class at Montreal or a European venue of my choice. (preferably Germany or Austria).

Are the prices better in Europe by any stretch btw?

CancerCakes
Jan 10, 2006

Driving Silverstone Stowe circuit tomorrow in single seaters. Going to be awesome, hopefully I don't hit a tractor.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


The ticket prices for the USGP at Indianapolis was great. IIRC $50 got you a 3-day GA pass. And the grandstand tickets were very reasonable too.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah but if you work out how many cars you got to see for the price of that ticket it's probably a worse deal.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



gret posted:

The ticket prices for the USGP at Indianapolis was great. IIRC $50 got you a 3-day GA pass. And the grandstand tickets were very reasonable too.

You can usually get those for the Austin one as well. I paid about $350 for some nice seats.

Daveh
Jan 18, 2005

You know what? You know what you're putting into our bodies? Death! Delicious, strawberry-flavored death!

CancerCakes posted:

Driving Silverstone Stowe circuit tomorrow in single seaters. Going to be awesome, hopefully I don't hit a tractor.

I did that last year and it was fantastic. You'll have a blast!

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

If I ever go to a GP right now it would have to be Canada. Cheaper for me to get to as I live in the Boston metro area, at cheapest it's a $100/8hr bus ride compared to $300 for a flight to Austin, the next cheapest.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
Dicks, I need to spend almost a grand on flights and accommodation before I'm even in a country with a GP :(

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Bovril Delight posted:

You can usually get those for the Austin one as well. I paid about $350 for some nice seats.

The most expensive seats at Indy were $150, and the best seats were $105. A grandstand seat at COTA will cost you more than $500.

GA ticket for WEC? That lets you sit in any grandstand (and into the paddock)? $75.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
If you ever wondered how the Russian anthem would sound played by a Renault engine, Lotus has your back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xt_MyNWjDc

NtotheTC
Dec 31, 2007


Riso posted:

If you ever wondered how the Russian anthem would sound played by a Renault engine, Lotus has your back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xt_MyNWjDc

And because it's Lotus, someone will forget to remove the program and Pastor will have a bumpy ride down to turn one as the car accelerates and decelerates in tune.

The Sweet Hereafter
Jan 11, 2010

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

What's truly sad about the Russian GP is that if there is one country right now willing and able to pony up a lot of land and money to build some sort of extravagant circuit it would be Russia. It's not like cost is an issue for Putin, but of all the places to build this dumb thing they just had to make them drive around the olympic stadium. Giving birth to the dullest track in can remember in ages, as others have said, its worse than Valencia or India or whatever. But in historic terms, is this worse than the Phoenix street course, or the Ceasar's Palace GP?

The reason the grand prix is in Sochi is the same reason the winter olympics were in Sochi, which is essentially that Sochi is Putin's favourite resort.

While we're doing silly season driver change predictions, I reckon Alonso/Maldonado at Lotus, Raikonnen/Vettel at Ferrari, Button/Magnussen at McLaren with Grosjean going to either Force India or Sauber because Lotus need the Maldonado cash. Although when they balance the books they might find out he's broken more than he's paid for, which could conceivably change things somewhat.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Why the gently caress would Alonso go to Lotus when he can have a McLaren seat?

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
Probably because McLaren are a bad team for fucktards.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Fag Boy Jim posted:

Probably because McLaren are a bad team for fucktards.

Rude, but accurate

poopzilla
Nov 23, 2004

Riso posted:

Why the gently caress would Alonso go to Lotus when he can have a McLaren seat?

Because Flavio will run the team. FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
Imagine Flavio booting Ron Dennis out of McLaren and taking over the team and letting the drivers walk around in untucked shirts while Ron spins in his grave, phwoar.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Flávio is the special spice that F1 sorely needs.

My phone autocorrected and put the accent on there so I thought I'd leave it since it looks classy, just like Flav.

Korwen
Feb 26, 2003

don't mind me, I'm just out hunting.

Residency Evil posted:

For those of you who have been to the USGP, is it worth it for a group of 6 people to buy parking passes or should we just take the shuttles from downtown?

Yes, in my opinion, because you can also find room for a cooler full of beer and sandwiches, and you can have a few beers before you go inside in the morning, leave for lunch (Fri and Sat) and have a beer and a sandwich for lunch, and then instead of fighting traffic leaving the race, you just break out some camp chairs, and keep drinking and eating sandwiches.

The Sweet Hereafter
Jan 11, 2010

Riso posted:

Why the gently caress would Alonso go to Lotus when he can have a McLaren seat?

I'm not entirely convinced he can have a McLaren seat. I don't think he's really forgiven Ron Dennis, or vice versa. I wouldn't be surprised if Ron is actually trying to land Hamilton back. Plus, Flavio/Alonso/Lotus seems like a good shout.

RALF
Mar 15, 2009

Grimey Drawer
Last 20 years
Ron Dennis: 3 WDC, 1 WCC
Flavio Briatore: 4 WDC, 3 WCC

I rest my case.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Well, Renault in all it's incarnations has traditionally either been a championship contender when they have their poo poo together or very very poor. It is important to note that today's Lotus are not Senna's Lotus, they are Renault in a Lotus suit.

This years Renault engine is shockingly crock of poo poo in every car, add in Lotus' money woes and you get what we are seeing now. Honda is a unknown quantity, but, we know that when Lotus had the same good engine as red bull they were easily able to get a driver on the podium, just not the top step. Lotus is getting the Merc engine, this engine is known to be awesome. If they are able to repeat what they did a few years ago and get some money to pay staff then they could be 2nd in the championship, with the right drivers.

So, this is why I think that Alonso to Lotus for a year isn't out of the realms of possibility if he can't get in a merc till 2016, especially when you add in Flavio's connection to both the team and Genii who are one of the main owners.

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice
Flavio Briatore owns, he's the villain you love to love.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
Alonso to fill in Jules seat at Marussia, you heard it here first.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
So the strategy group voted to unfreeze engines next year, but the way the group works gets stupider as you read this explanation, including Lotus voting against engine unfreezing (?!)

quote:

The Strategy Group, which is compromised of six teams, Bernie Ecclestone and Jean Todt, requires only a majority vote for ideas to go forward. It’s understood that in today’s meeting that Ecclestone, Todt, Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull voted for the unfreeze, and Mercedes, Lotus and Williams opposed it. As Ecclestone and Todt have six votes each, the outcome was presumably 15-3 in favour

BAD AT STUFF
May 10, 2012

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.

Uncle Jam posted:

So the strategy group voted to unfreeze engines next year, but the way the group works gets stupider as you read this explanation, including Lotus voting against engine unfreezing (?!)

Lotus is getting Mercedes engines next year, why would they want Renault and Ferrari to be able to develop any more?

My question is why the hell would they have a multi-year engine freeze in the first place?

edit: I misunderstood. It's about getting rid of the in season freeze for next year. My bad.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
Oh I just assumed Lotus would have a million year agreement with Renault or something.
They say the F1 Commission can veto it (which I guess includes Mercedes) but good luck trying to figure out who is on the 2014 commission.

BAD AT STUFF
May 10, 2012

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.
Haha, Renault is poo poo:

quote:

Renault has also endured a significant deficit to Mercedes under the first year of F1's new V6 turbo hybrid engine rules, but Renault Sport F1 managing director Cyril Abiteboul is unsure whether the French manufacturer would benefit from a relaxation of the engine freeze.

"We do not want to over-invest in engine technology," he told AUTOSPORT.

"From my perspective we should have a set of regulations that as quickly as possible narrows the bandwidth of performance between the manufacturers, so that we do not overspend on those technologies.

"There is the law of diminishing returns, which means that after some time Mercedes will be limited, and at that point in time we will be in a position to catch up.

"However, I'm not sure how far we are from the physical limit of the system.

"According to how far we are, we may even be in a worse position with that additional unfreeze than with the current freeze."

Translation: we're not willing to allocate the resources required to beat Mercedes or even produce a decent engine. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Red Bull Honda 2016.

poopzilla
Nov 23, 2004

Mimetic posted:

Haha, Renault is poo poo:


Translation: we're not willing to allocate the resources required to beat Mercedes or even produce a decent engine. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Red Bull Honda 2016.

lmao thats an incredible statement.

"welp, i dunno. we'd rather not waste anymore money"

Shux
Feb 25, 2012

Join Freestyle Cyclists and help repeal Australia's unjustified Helmet laws.

Studies have shown cars travel much closer to cyclists wearing helmets, arguably increasing the risk of an accident.

Mimetic posted:

Haha, Renault is poo poo:


Translation: we're not willing to allocate the resources required to beat Mercedes or even produce a decent engine. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Red Bull Honda 2016.

I thought Renault was the main people pushing for the new engines.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Shux posted:

I thought Renault was the main people pushing for the new engines.

They were! They were heavily behind the new formula, and I think they were the first to get a new engine ready. And now they're getting whooped by Mercedes.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
RenAULTWNED

Low Percent Lunge
Jan 29, 2007



What ever happened to that malarkey about RBR making their own engines?

Sorry Are Dan.

aequalis
Aug 11, 2010

Fernando is smugger than you. Can you confirm you understand that message?
I guess it looks like Herr Vettel is doing the right thing after all.
If you're clever enough to work it out.

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MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!
Dont forget, the renault was considered the weakest of the V8's after honda left, and they needed the FIA to bail them out by un-freezing the engine formula just for them in 2008. The next season saw vettel win his first race in a renault red bull, and the rest is history :science:

Last time they waited 3 years to give up and beg bernie for a mulligan. Its pretty sad this year that they need to do it only a few months into a new formula.

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