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Skwirl posted:Out of curiosity, besides the original Lee/Kirby stuff and Waid or Hickman's runs, what would you say were the great FF runs? Well, the obvious two you missed: Byrne and Simonson. Really, those five are the only periods where I'd really call FF good for extended periods. There have been a handful of super short runs that were good (MacDuffie) and some one off issues or arcs, but there's a of bad FF out there..
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Metal Loaf posted:I think the only core members of the main FF team who have officially, properly died are Ben and Johnny. For a while, FF was beating out X-men for being unreadable nonsense that immediately alienates new readers.
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Nov 22, 2014 10:20
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There's always the Claremont run of Fantastic Four, speaking of which.
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I don't even mind the Jeph Loeb run, but that may be because it's drawn by Carlos Pacheco, who I quite like.
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Nov 22, 2014 12:55
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Call me a tasteless monster but I liked Millar's run. It had some cool moments, the crossover with 1985 and Old man Logan was pretty neat, and some of that stuff carried over into Hickman's run
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Nov 22, 2014 19:33
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According to this guy, The FF comic until 88 was the greatest american novel. http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/
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Mister Nobody posted:Call me a tasteless monster but I liked Millar's run. It had some cool moments, the crossover with 1985 and Old man Logan was pretty neat, and some of that stuff carried over into Hickman's run It was really good for Millar, and good world building in general, but it was just generally forgettable with some dumb parts.
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Vincent posted:According to this guy, The FF comic until 88 was the greatest american novel. That's one of my favorite websites. Just look at all these beautiful words written about Lockjaw. With citations.
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Nov 23, 2014 13:46
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It should be noted that Millar made Valeria smart, and influenced a bit more of Hickman's run with Nu Earth and the dead, future Galactus. The Death of the Invisible Woman, and Masters of Doom arcs were pretty good stuff.
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Nov 23, 2014 22:27
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I liked when Ben's fiancee asked Daredevil and Spider-man "Isn't it better to have loved and lost?" and they're like "Uuuuuuuuhhhhh" *pull collar*
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Nov 24, 2014 06:33
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Hitler Reed Richards is dead for sure.
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zoux posted:Hitler Reed Richards is dead for sure. But I see him every month in Fantastic Four and New Avengers.
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Nov 24, 2014 22:47
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Please 616 Reed is no worse than Francisco Franco.
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Nov 24, 2014 23:11
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zoux posted:Please 616 Reed is no worse than Francisco Franco. Say what you will, but Reed-616 made the negative zone portals run on time.
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Nov 24, 2014 23:25
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If Civil War taught me anything, Tony Stark is the Hitler of the Avengers.
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Nov 24, 2014 23:41
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HitTheTargets posted:If Civil War taught me anything, Tony Stark is the Hitler of the Avengers. With the "Superior Iron Man" thing happening, does that mean we're getting Civil War II?
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Nov 24, 2014 23:44
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No, we're getting Civil War II because of Hickman's Secret Wars.
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Nov 24, 2014 23:47
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HitTheTargets posted:If Civil War taught me anything, Tony Stark is the Hitler of the Avengers. Also, having formerly associated with Stark but then switching sides to join (Captain) America, Spider-Man is Stalin.
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Nov 25, 2014 03:26
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HitTheTargets posted:If Civil War taught me anything, Tony Stark is the Hitler of the Avengers. Didn't Reed make the Negative Zone portal?
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Nov 25, 2014 06:04
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Anyone know when Marvel started doing the creators retreats? Was that shooter or Quesada?
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StumblyWumbly posted:Anyone know when Marvel started doing the creators retreats? Was that shooter or Quesada? I think it was Brevoort that made it a few times a year event but they were happening pre-Quesada at least. I know the likes of Peter David has discussed going to Marvel retreats to "sort things out" around the Heroes Reborn era.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Also, having formerly associated with Stark but then switching sides to join (Captain) America, Spider-Man is Stalin. Why do you think he hangs around with Scarlet Spiders, hmm?
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Waterhaul posted:I think it was Brevoort that made it a few times a year event but they were happening pre-Quesada at least. I know the likes of Peter David has discussed going to Marvel retreats to "sort things out" around the Heroes Reborn era. There's an issue of Wizard where they were invited to the Marvel retreat for Heroes Return. I only remember it because Mark Waid loving hated Scott Lobdell and Lobdell kept making stupid jokes to try and make Waid lighten up. And if anyone recalls, Lobdell was removed from F4 after 3 issues.
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Rhyno posted:And if anyone recalls, Lobdell was removed from F4 after 3 issues. Too bad Alan Davis went with him. Pretty sure Lobdell said he had like 50+ issues planned out for FF, too.
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Metal Loaf posted:Too bad Alan Davis went with him. He had like a year plotted. Claremont used some of his plot and then chucked it and went his own crazy way.
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Nov 25, 2014 23:26
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Chris Claremont and Alan Davis doing Fantastic Four might've been pretty cool, but not in 1998; I think the Claremont who wrote Excalibur could've done a good job with FF.
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Metal Loaf posted:Chris Claremont and Alan Davis doing Fantastic Four might've been pretty cool, but not in 1998; I think the Claremont who wrote Excalibur could've done a good job with FF. I don't know. I think it wouldn't be long until he was Claremonting it up all over the place, which is essentially what happened in the FF run. Claremont 1980 might have been an interesting FF run since that was before we got a chance to become horrified by him. I recall Lobdell quitting to go do something else rather than actually getting kicked off the book, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was actually him getting pushed out.
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Random Stranger posted:I don't know. I think it wouldn't be long until he was Claremonting it up all over the place, which is essentially what happened in the FF run. Oh, yeah, his 1998 run had a bunch of Captain Britain stuff in it, and until Bob Harras nixed the idea, he'd been planning for Kitty Pryde to become a main character as Franklin Richards's live-in nanny.
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I'm still a little surprised his Exiles run didn't have a Kitty Pryde, but maybe he had his hands full with the no-foolin' 616 Psylocke on the team.Gaz-L posted:...It did, though? They just called her Kat. His Exiles was basically every X-lady he's known for fawning over, bar Storm. poo poo, really? Did Callisto show up? HitTheTargets fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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HitTheTargets posted:I'm still a little surprised his Exiles run didn't have a Kitty Pryde, but maybe he had his hands full with the no-foolin' 616 Psylocke on the team. ...It did, though? They just called her Kat. His Exiles was basically every X-lady he's known for fawning over, bar Storm. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Waterhaul posted:I think it was Brevoort that made it a few times a year event but they were happening pre-Quesada at least. I know the likes of Peter David has discussed going to Marvel retreats to "sort things out" around the Heroes Reborn era.
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HitTheTargets posted:No, we're getting Civil War II because of Hickman's Secret Wars. I wonder if another Civil War will happen because of Avengers 3.
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McSpanky posted:I wonder if another Civil War will happen because of Avengers 3. It's Captain America 3.
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I haven't been keeping up with DC because it's stupid; is the New 52 any better than it was? Is it even still a thing?
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There are good and bad books like always  Superman stuff is a hell of a lot better. Wonder Woman just got a hell of a lot worse. Justice League is twice as good since Forever Evil with Lex on the team, and Jeff Lemire's B-team JLCanada/United is much better than JLA was. Lemire's Green Arrow just wrapped and was great. The Batman side has a ton of more interesting runs and new books. Including a very decent "young adult" aimed comic of all things. e: Oh yeah. Multiversity's a big plus mark. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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Gotham by Midnight was actually pretty good! I am now up to 1 DC title! I'm sure it'll be cancled by issue 6.
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AGirlWonder posted:I haven't been keeping up with DC because it's stupid; is the New 52 any better than it was? Is it even still a thing? Harley Quinn is surprisingly good.
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Yeah I'm reading Multiversity, Batgirl and Gotham Academy, and I picked up the first issue of Gotham By Midnight (haven't read it yet though).
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All I get is The Multiversity and a bunch of Bat books (Batman, Batgirl, Gotham Academy, possibly Gotham By Midnight), they've all be pretty solid. I hear good things about the Geoff Johns/John Romita Jr Superman, but I dropped that after one issue for reasons I can't quite remember...
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I haven't read the original Hulk run beyond issue #1, but was there ever an explanation why Hulk became green from gray (and switching every now and then over the years)?
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