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I think part of the hate for Zell comes from his tribal face tattoo. Face tattoos are still mostly socially unacceptable in the western world (even more so when ff8 was new) and Zell's tat just looks terrible on him anyway. I see his face and just kinda want to punch it, even though I like his character so far. I wonder if he lost a bet about how many pull-ups he could do?
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Pvt.Scott posted:I think part of the hate for Zell comes from his tribal face tattoo. Face tattoos are still mostly socially unacceptable in the western world (even more so when ff8 was new) and Zell's tat just looks terrible on him anyway. I see his face and just kinda want to punch it, even though I like his character so far. I wonder if he lost a bet about how many pull-ups he could do? Tribal face tattoos can be fine when a person has a reason for having one (like belonging to a tribe that does them!), bit Zell's just seem to be a "I'm a cool teenager" statement, which most people find stupid.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:38
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Swillkitsch posted:Zell hiding his SeeD status from his mom is kind of an interesting character note, and it's a shame that I don't think it comes up again in-game--? I could be wrong, though. I don't think he's hiding it. I think his mom knows:  I get the impression that she knows, and that because he's a merc, and they can lead short lives, she just chooses to try her best not to worry about it, and enjoy what time she may have with her son. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it...
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Dec 26, 2014 20:02
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Mums always know. If there's one thing I've learned in my life, it's that.
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Dec 26, 2014 20:07
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Vil posted:Yes, you can absolutely skip the magazines. The upgrade shop logic goes like this: So THATs how you get his ultimate weapon on disk 1
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Dec 26, 2014 20:08
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I think she can handle it. Moms are tough.
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Dec 26, 2014 20:08
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Silegna posted:I'm gonna need some clarification on this. I have never heard that anywhere. Granted, you could also be kidding around.
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Dec 26, 2014 20:17
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I'm honestly considering getting the game on steam after reading up to this part of the LP...
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Dec 26, 2014 21:53
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Kemix posted:I'm honestly considering getting the game on steam after reading up to this part of the LP... Up to here, FF8 is really fun and well put-together and you can screw around and get awesome really fast, but I can only reiterate what I said before: Dollet is easily the best part of the game up until very late. But I am quite the naysayer, if you hadn't gathered. I would recommend waiting until the thing they go to Timber for is done and then reconsider if you want to give Square money for a lazy port of a decade-old PC game. Because the Timber mission, imho, loving sucks in quite a few ways.
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Dec 26, 2014 22:07
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Yeah, FF8 is pretty high on the list of games that just completely fail to live up to their early potential. I'm still kinda tempted to replay it myself, though--there is something good here, even if it's surrounded by a whole lot of not good.
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Dec 26, 2014 22:11
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Vil posted:If you ever want to gently caress with card rules, this guy will be one of your very best friends. Playing a game of cards with him will, unannounced, remove every single rule from the Balamb region. Between that and the Queen of Cards, you can set up rule manipulation scenarios (for other regions) really easily, and then conveniently clean up Balamb when you're done. I never knew this.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:07
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Kemix posted:God I love Triple Triad. Kind of a shame they never tried to make a paper version of the game. Squeenix and whoever was pumping out the cards would have made bank, bank and more loving bank off it. There used to be an unofficial freeware game that allowed you to play Triple Triad and Tetra Master, including fan-made cards for other FFs and other sources. Last I checked, it was still around, but nobody was playing and it was little more than a chat room.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:23
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curiousCat posted:I never knew this. At some point between now and the end of the LP, I'll fork over Vil's Tips And Tricks For Rule Manipulation That Programmers Wish You Never Knew. You can actually make the whole process very painlessly consistent, compared to annoyingly random or worse, consistently doing something other than what you want it to. Vil fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Dec 26, 2014 23:25
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Simply Simon posted:To quote a catchphrase from another thread: it gets worse. This man is very, very right. Not the next section, but the section after is where the game starts dropping... And keeps dropping for the rest of the game, with an occasional rise that never lasts. FFVIII is not a good game. Period. If you like the characters and story now, well, that's not gonna last either.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:37
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I like Final Fantasy VIII.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:55
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Hey, not pointing fingers, I like a lot of games I don't consider good. Just don't want someone buying this on my conscience.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:58
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Cool Ghost posted:I like Final Fantasy VIII. I love Final Fantasy VIII.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:01
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curiousCat posted:I love Final Fantasy VIII. It's a great game to play. Hell, you play games for fun, whether or not the plot is asinine usually isn't a factor. Hell, I love Chrono Cross.
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Silegna posted:Hell, I love Chrono Cross. I'ma be honest, Chrono Cross was one of my first RPGs. Along side FF9 and Golden Sun. Not counting the Pokemon series. I still like it to this day...but it's definitely not the greatest game ever.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:22
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I like FF8 as well. I do, however, have a hard time defending some of the plot points.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:34
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When is Squeenix going to remake FF 7-10? They've already made multiple remakes for everything up to VI, I think. Like multiple remakes for the same game. I'd be happy with an SNES demake of FFVII.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:38
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If you want to buy FFVIII I'm going to suggest that you bookmark the LP and come back to it afterward. Half the fun is just finding all the random stuff they put in (secret GFs, etc) and the other half is figuring out how to break the game. Also maybe there's an element of watching the plot and boggling at its insanity. But regardless, my point is that all of those will be blunted if you watch Cool Ghost lay out what happens, what there is to find, and how to use it to become laughably overpowered. And to the above poster, I think 7 was where the production budgets started jumping up, so that's probably the big barrier. It's one thing to make a nicer sprite sheet, another to redo a bunch of detailed 3-D rendering.
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Pvt.Scott posted:When is Squeenix going to remake FF 7-10? They've already made multiple remakes for everything up to VI, I think. Like multiple remakes for the same game. I'd be happy with an SNES demake of FFVII. They just did X and X-2 HD ReMixes. They still didn't bother to put a Skip Cutscene option in X.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:50
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anilEhilated posted:Hey, not pointing fingers, I like a lot of games I don't consider good. Just don't want someone buying this on my conscience. But you are. You are kinda being pushy. I mean it is his thread. mycot fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 01:05
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Akratic Method posted:If you want to buy FFVIII I'm going to suggest that you bookmark the LP and come back to it afterward. Half the fun is just finding all the random stuff they put in (secret GFs, etc) and the other half is figuring out how to break the game. If anyone does this, I suggest making a habit of checking the draw list of bosses. And if a new target shows up later on (like Elvoret did in the LP), check it too. If there's a GF it'll always be at the bottom of the list, it'll have a(n unfamiliar) name rather than ????, and you can only Stock and not Cast. There are a good half-dozen GFs or so that you may miss if you don't do this. You do get a second chance at each of those, but only very late in the game.
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Silegna posted:It's a great game to play. Hell, you play games for fun, whether or not the plot is asinine usually isn't a factor. Hell, I love Chrono Cross.
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Pvt.Scott posted:When is Squeenix going to remake FF 7-10? They've already made multiple remakes for everything up to VI, I think. Like multiple remakes for the same game. I'd be happy with an SNES demake of FFVII. Not sure on 8 and 9, but Squeenix said they will only remake FF7 if a new Final Fantasy sells more than FF7 did.
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I hope that Square Enix never remakes Final Fantasy VII, and instead focusses on making better games in the future.
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Cool Ghost posted:I hope that Square Enix never remakes Final Fantasy VII, and instead focusses on making better games in the future. This. I love FF7, but if I want to play FF7, I can still do so without issues. Spend your effort making some good NEW games! 
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Akratic Method posted:And to the above poster, I think 7 was where the production budgets started jumping up, so that's probably the big barrier. It's one thing to make a nicer sprite sheet, another to redo a bunch of detailed 3-D rendering. They've done full (if simple, but still much better than VII's) 3D graphics remakes of some of the earlier games with new translations, fmv and new scores. So I guess they just don't want to kill the sacred cow that made America actually note FF as a thing.
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Pvt.Scott posted:They've done full (if simple, but still much better than VII's) 3D graphics remakes of some of the earlier games with new translations, fmv and new scores. So I guess they just don't want to kill the sacred cow that made America actually note FF as a thing. Should've seen the failure that was the anouncement of the PS4 port of the steam version. It was hype and happiness, followed by crushing disappointment.
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Remaking Final Fantasy VII would, I believe, absolutely END Square-Enix's future. Years of nostalgia have turned FF7 into the Platonic Ideal of What a Perfect JRPG Should Be, so any remake, no matter how well-done, would not live up to the hype and what little stock there is left in Squeenix (literal and figurative) would go down the drain. (Ironically, I'd hated FF7 for going 3D when it came out, but looking back on it now, though the pre-rendered cutscenes have not aged well, the I find that in-game 3D graphics have this sort of charm to them that the more recent titles lack. ...and here's the sinking realization that another 10-15 years from now, I'll be looking back at Final Fantasy XIII with a similar fondness. /shudder)
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FF VII was kinda lovely, honestly. Even when it was new and was my first real exposure to the FF series, I only played through the whole game because I had a buddy to mock it with. The kawaii little 3d models would have been great if they weren't mixed with the grainy pre-rendered backgrounds and the more detailed models. The story and game mechanics are just bad, though. Also, Knights of the Round gets pretty old by the third time you cast it when you can't skip summon animations. Some of the things I've learned about in VIII from this LP I really like. The slightly randomized npcs to chat with, the lore journal/internet, occasional disbursements of cash tied to performance to maybe alleviate the perception of needing to grind for gil, etc. it's a shame the battle system is a clusterfuck. Then again, none of the main FF titles have ever really had mechanically interesting combat, nor any really well designed class/power/skill/job/magic system. Blitzball 4 lyfe.
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If you haven't yet, check out Elentor's FFVII LP. Very informative. Pretty much everyone in that thread has learned new things about the game.
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Yeah, saying FF VII is lovely is basically saying that you don't remember the game. Saying FF VIII is lovely is basically saying that you've never played Triple Triad.
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Gravity Cant Apple posted:Yeah, saying FF VII is lovely is basically saying that you don't remember the game. Saying FF VIII is lovely is basically saying that you've never played Triple Triad.
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I liked FFVIII. Even if it started sucking 3/8ths of the way in, the battle system was fun to break. It's sort of like Wild ARMs 4 in the sense that if you ignore the characters and story, you'll be fine.
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curiousCat posted:I never knew this. Thread title? Please?
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I'ma be honest, I don't like FF7. All the fanboys crying out saying it's 'OMG TEH BEST THING EVAR' soured my want to even play it. When I did (bought it on PSN), I couldn't get very far in it before just putting it down. I'm sure it gets better if you actually go THOUGH the game...but that's what pretty much -everyone- and their mothers say about FF13, and that game (and it's sequels) are an absolute travesty. And we have MORE god drat 'Lightning-Sama' coming down the pipe in 2015/2016, all I know is they're gonna announce something involving Lighting next year. And I can only think it's gonna be a horrible thing.
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I've been playing along with Elentor's playthrough and am at the end of Disc 2 of FFVII and I've had a fantastic time with it. I feel it's held up pretty well, even though I'm playing the much-maligned Steam version I've encountered no issues whatsoever. The only remake thing I'm salty about at the moment (FF-wise...if it's Square-Enix in general I'm pissed we didn't get Dragon Quest VII 3DS) is that Final Fantasies V (my favorite in the series and one that would look great in a remake) and VI didn't get 3DS remakes the way that III and IV did for the DS. It would've been so much better than the iOS/Android version.
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