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Kemix posted:I'ma be honest, I don't like FF7. All the fanboys crying out saying it's 'OMG TEH BEST THING EVAR' soured my want to even play it. When I did (bought it on PSN), I couldn't get very far in it before just putting it down. I'm sure it gets better if you actually go THOUGH the game...but that's what pretty much -everyone- and their mothers say about FF13, and that game (and it's sequels) are an absolute travesty. And we have MORE god drat 'Lightning-Sama' coming down the pipe in 2015/2016, all I know is they're gonna announce something involving Lighting next year. And I can only think it's gonna be a horrible thing. It's a good game, but not a perfect one. You can play it or not - it's not necessarily for everyone - but either way you should probably check out Elentor's LP. He lays out the sometimes confusing plot and makes it much easier to understand. FFVIII is also a flawed game. I think it missed the mark more often than FFVII but I still love it, and I look forward to seeing Cool Ghost show off the cool stuff. 
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It's flawed, but in interesting ways, at least!
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Patter Song posted:I've been playing along with Elentor's playthrough and am at the end of Disc 2 of FFVII and I've had a fantastic time with it. I feel it's held up pretty well, even though I'm playing the much-maligned Steam version I've encountered no issues whatsoever. The reasons people didn't like FF7 on steam is because well, the DRM for Cloud Saving, and the MIDI Soundtrack. Both have been fixed, as you can set the Saving to local disk drives, and the music was changed to the PSX versions.
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I bought it on Steam when it came out to give it another shot, but FF VII didn't really do much for me. That LP that got linked is p cool. I'd rather get the story and the cinematics and skip the 40 hours of jrpg drudgery. That's why I'm reading this FF VIII thread! 
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Part Fifteen: Squall's Sexy Dream Last time, we got on a train and then everyone blacked out.  Now, uhh...  What's this?   Well, whatever's going on, we're still in control.  Our party has changed, though.    Well, half changed. The party members are different, but the junctions and levels are the same.  We seem to be in a forest of some sort.  And, when we get into a fight, we get some new music:  "The Man with the Machine Gun," huh?  Must be named after that guy in the middle, Laguna. The one with the machine gun.  While we're running around, we get incidental dialogue from the new party, but we also get those other boxes. Looks like someone else is confused, too.   Very confused.  Timber Army? Didn't Timber's army get defeated by Galbadia years ago?  Actually, you know, the uniforms these guys are wearing look a lot like Galbadian uniforms.  : Well, you see... It's just that, uhh... : Don't tell me we're lost again.: Anyway, we're goin' home. Deling City, here we come! Well, that's interesting.  On the next screen, you can find a Water draw point.  Too bad we're all full up.  Someone kindly left their car here for us to take.  Oh well, it's probably our guys' car and they just got out to eat lunch or something.   We do not have to do any driving on the world map at this point, the game just skips straight to point B.  : Chill man, it's cool. I feel like maybe Laguna isn't the most professional, responsible guy in the world. : We're not just here for the booze, are we? We've got a war to fight. : So we'll get smashed, and then we'll CHAAARGE!: Kiros, Ward... You two seem to misunderstand. I just want to have a friendly drink with you two.Well, it's better than getting killed, so I say go for it. This dialogue changes if you have read the issue of Timber Maniacs in the Balamb Hotel: : Whatever! Like you drink... We already know you're not in it for the drinking. Just admit it already!: Yeah, just drink some juice like a weenie. And then gawk at the piano lady. : DON'T CALL HER THE 'PIANO LADY'! That's it, forget it! I'm not going!: We know you will... These people showed up to see Laguna's really good parking job.  Hey, a G-Soldier who's not trying to kill us. That's a nice change of pace.  Anyway, let's get to the bar.  I like the towns in this game. They're all pretty nice.  This is not the way to the bar.   This seems more promising. We're also definitely in Galbadia now.   Sounds like Laguna's got a crush.    If you were wondering, you can stay at the inn here.  And I mean, why not do that?  Other than the fact that there's no reason to do it.  But we like to have fun here, right? Anyway, let's go grab that drink.   This place looks pretty fancy.  Laguna and the boys probably have a lot of friendly drinks.  One of these options is not like the others. Let's check that one out.  Laguna is just fuckin' baffled by the idea of sitting down at a table. : What's wrong?: I...I dunno.You can choose that same again, with the option changing from "Huh? Excuse me?" to "What is this?". If you do, you get this exchange: : Huh?: What's wrong?: Ahh... I'm not quite sure.: Wait a second... Is your head buzzing...?Are you guys already drunk? : W-What... You, too?: Yeah, ever since we were in Timber.: Me, too...: Hey, we're just tired, that's all. We'll be fine after a drink or two, or three...Yes, drinking has never made anyone more disoriented. If you choose the option "What is this?" again, you get this: : Just shut up, PU-LEASE!!!drat Laguna, she's just a waitress. This actually makes the waitress run away from you, but if you talk to her again, she just acts like nothing happened. What a pro. Anyway, let's just walk it off.  Congratulations, man.  You have a good one, dude.  This guy will not control Laguna, who is a free spirit.  Now that we've got our heads in order, let's sit down and get wasted. : Thanks. The questions are back, looks like.  Some of the people asking are more relaxed than others.   No time to wonder that right now, there's drinking to do. : We're goin' all out tonight, right boys!?Laguna is cool.  : The usual!: Me, too.: Keep 'em coming!I used to go to a bar with a friend pretty regularly, and the first time the waitress remembered our orders he was very impressed.  Oh right, we're here to hit on the pianist. She's just doing her job, man. While she's doing her job, by the way, this is the song she plays:  : You goin' for it tonight?: Yeah, go for it!Kiros and Ward are bad influences. : What-ever, man! Can't you see she's working?Laguna is above peer pressure. : Don't go back on your word. C'mon, go wave to her.: Give me a break...: So you say, but we know you'll do it. Those guys are bein' jerks, so let's go talk to some other guys.  Newly Promoted: Oh baby! This is turning out to be a lovely night!  We cannot speak to the bartender/waitress. This is bullshit. This game is bullshit.  I'm leaving this bullshit game.   Let's go prove them right, I suppose.  When you go to the piano, Laguna immediately walks away a bit.   The person dreaming is now just making fun of Laguna directly.  : (My leg's cramping up...!) drat, what a smooth operator.   You can barely see it in the background, but Kiros and Ward laugh at Laguna while he walks in circles to work the cramp out.  We're back in control at this point. This guy seems like he's a little too into Julia.  : Mission successful!At least our friends are impressed. : Here, have a seat. : Yeah, but you cut a pretty pitiful figure up there. I'd say you're about a -3 on the manliness scale.: Say what you want! (sigh...) Julia sure is pretty...: Aaa...: Hunhhh...? Realising that Laguna's about to get misty, Kiros and Ward decide to ditch him.  What good friends.  At least we're not paying for our drinks, I guess.  Oh, that's probably why they left. Julia: May I?  Laguna is probably pretty surprised with how she sneaked up on him.  : N-N-N-Not at all. P-Please, s-sit down. Laguna Loire is 27 years old.   Laguna's such a dweeb that he can't even look at Julia. Julia: How's your leg? : L-Leg? Oh, this!? Y-Yeah, it's fine. Happens all the time when I get nervous.(cough)Julia: Were you nervous? : Oh, yeah. I'm still kinda...Julia: You can relax. You don't have to be nervous around me. : Oh, sorry. Julia is the one making all the moves here.  Yes, Laguna, just yell it for everyone to hear.   Look, lady, this is an important scene, so you can just stop staring at the camera.  Everyone is very interested in this conversation. What a bunch of creeps. Julia: You don't want to? : Of course I do!Julia: Then I'll go ahead and wait for you. Ask for my room at the front desk, ok?     I think the juxtaposition of Laguna's thoughts and the commentary is very good.   Her problem of wanting to bang you?  Before we meet Julia, let's tell this guy to go gently caress himself.  Newly Promoted: Why!? Why must it always be like this!?(hic) And why...must it be on this day of all days...!? Go home, buddy. You'll feel better in the morning.  : No worries, man! That's like, my specialty!: One wouldn't say you converse, though... All you do is yap-yap-yap and never listen.The familiarity between Laguna, Kiros, and Ward is a great contrast to our party, who all just met and got put on the same mission. These guys are real friends.  Anyway, let's go get laid.  It is very important that you save before going to talk to Julia.  : Whi-whi-which... Receptionist: Ah, Mr. Laguna Loire? I've been expecting you. Let me show you to Ms. Julia's room. Julia has a last name, and it is not Julia.  There's a new song while Julia and Laguna chat here:   Julia: Have a seat.   Laguna's not very confident, and I don't think he knows Julia is laughing at him.  At this point, the player has control of Laguna again.  So I did the most tonally appropriate thing possible and renamed a GF.  I can't figure out where to sit. Let's ask Julia for advice. : No, it's not that. It's just that I'm a big fan of yours, so I'm really kinda nervous, y'know?Julia: So that's why you come to hear me play so often.   Laguna Loire: cool under pressure. Julia: You were always smiling while listening, right? That's probably because he was drunk.   I...don't think anyone expected you to eat his eyes. That would be hosed up.  You know, I don't think we ever got our drinks at the bar.  I think it's been established that this is a dream, Laguna.  And then fade to black.  Laguna, did you talk about the army during that fade to black? : And it's fun, 'cause Kiros and Ward are always with me. Hey, we should all go out drinkin' sometime! Whaddaya say? And, uh... What was I talkin' about? Oh yeah, so I want to quit the army and become a journalist! So I can tell people 'bout all the things I've seen on my travels.Way to stick to your plan of listening to Julia instead of yammering on and on, champ.   We got the cool version where Laguna talks about how he's a "published author". : Yeah, that was way cool...Julia: I'm happy for you. : Oh yeah, and then... Ya think?  Julia hasn't been listening since she decided to get wine. There's another version of the scene where Laguna gets drunk from wine and falls asleep, again triggered by reading the issue of Timber Maniacs in the Balamb Hotel:  What a lightweight baby. Julia: You look adorable when you're asleep. : Argh... How'd I fall asleep? In this version, Julia is sitting in the chair instead of on the bed. Julia: Yes?   At this point, the scenes join back up.   Faced with the prospect of more talking, Julia decides to jump out the window. Julia: I...I want to sing. Not just play the piano, but sing, too. : Oh, I'd really love to hear it.Julia: But I can't. I'm no good at writing lyrics... : Hmm... That must be tough."It's not tough for me, Laguna. I love to write. Let me tell you about writing." Julia: But, thanks to you, I think I can come up with something.  Laguna, you're not even looking at her. Do you know how rude that is? Julia: Yes... The many faces you've shown me. Times when you were hurt, worried... Or felt pain deep inside you... Your smile, your face, your eyes...  The song is called "The Man Who Talked for Like Three Hours".  YES WE GET IT THIS IS A DREAM. THE WHOLE SEQUENCE WITH LAGUNA IS A DREAM.  Julia do not start.   Well, at least we got to talk a lot.  I'm sure this will work out just fine. Happy ending for sure.   Oh, we're back to these guys. I thought they'd all died. Well, good news, I guess! Cool Ghost fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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When I first got to this part I either thought it was knock out gas or a shared hallucination of Selphie's sugar dreams. The Man with the Machine Gun; best battle music or BEST music?
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I really loved Laguna in The Blind Side, despite how terrible he looked as a blonde.
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Squall making fun of Laguna was pretty great.
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Truly amazing.
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Cool Ghost posted:
Haha, you got me, you bastard. 
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Thanks to a save editor, I managed to get the extra dialogue/other scene into the update!
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If memory serves, the Laguna stuff had a different localization team than the main game. One of Alexander O. Smith's first jobs for Square. So, if the dialog feels different, that's probably a factor.
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Cool Ghost posted:Thanks to a save editor, I managed to get the extra dialogue/other scene into the update! loving rad, thanks a ton. There's a ton of little details like that, and I love that you're showing them off.
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Laguna and co. are pretty much the best. Square's proven themselves pretty good at writing bros (also see Jecht/Auron/Braska) so here's hoping FFXV turns out to be good. Incidentally, Kiros and Ward are the extremes of each side of a class. Kiros is the fastest character in the game, and has magic to rival Selphie's, while Ward, as one might expect, is built like a tank with the HP, Str and Vit to match, even if his Spd is piddly (Kiros pretty much gets two turns to his one). Not that most of that matters with Junctions, but it's nice that they do have different stat distributions. quote:You can actually duck down the door here to fight some enemies. They're also a decent source of Life magic if you want to get some. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Zell's a lot more open when people can't see him, huh?
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LEGO Genetics posted:The Man with the Machine Gun; best battle music or BEST music? BEST. ApplesandOranges posted:Laguna and co. are pretty much the best. Square's proven themselves pretty good at writing bros (also see Jecht/Auron/Braska) so here's hoping FFXV turns out to be good. Yeah, these guys are my favorites, along with Zell & Selphie.
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John Lee posted:Zell's a lot more open when people can't see him, huh? Pretty sure that's Selphie.
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Silegna posted:Pretty sure that's Selphie. I feel a breeze.
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Cool Ghost posted:
Fun fact: if you leave the bar in that window between Julia inviting Laguna up to her room and actually going up there yourself, in other words here: Cool Ghost posted:
... then you get to see the effects of Laguna's parking job.
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Cool Ghost posted:
But the owls are still around.
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Cool Ghost posted:There are a lot of black people in the place, for a Japanese game. None of the playable characters are black, but there you go. Cool Ghost posted:
LIES Just throwing it out there, since it's on the tips of so many others tongues, but this is the team everyone wants as the main party. Instead of the heroes we need, we get the ones we deserve. ugh.
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FeyerbrandX posted:LIES Whoops, I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for pointing it out, I went back and fixed it.
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Clearly they should have replaced Squall with Laguna, since Laguna is a bro like that. Besides, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants a Laguna-Zell-Selphie/Irvine team around here.
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Variant_Eris posted:Clearly they should have replaced Squall with Laguna, since Laguna is a bro like that. Besides, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants a Laguna-Zell-Selphie/Irvine team around here.
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The Adventures of Laguna Loire would be a pretty fantastic game.
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Nihilarian posted:It's a shame that their isn't much of a modding scene for FF8 or I'd fully expect someone to add the three of them to the party, a long with a few others such as Seifer. It would take some moderately involved modding to do that, since Laguna's crew doesn't have character-specific data (e.g. experience, permanent stat-ups gained, magic stock, GF compatibility) of their own. The most accurate way to describe it would be like putting a different skin (including base stat lookup tables, and of course weapon and limit) on the normal party members. Now, Seifer has his own character-specific data, as does another temporary character we'll meet later on, so it's not too big a stretch to add them. But for Laguna's crew, you'd either have to really re-jigger some game design or you'd have to replace someone else. There are also a number of flags for "playing as Laguna" so if you try to half-rear end it the game just sorta shrugs and locks up when you enter a battle with a forced Laguna team.
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I may have more than a few issues with this game..... But the man with the machine gun (both the song AND the character) ain't one of em.
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I too think that Laguna and gang are much preferable to the other morons (sans Ze&Se ofc), but good LORD do I hate this scene. I can taste the awkwardness, and yes, this is what they are going for, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. It reminds me of why I hate the Raimi Spider-Man movies so much. I know Parker is supposed to be a dork and that life shits on him a lot. I don't need TEN uncomfortable reminders per scene. I will not identify more with him the more I see him suffer and stutter and squirm. Get this poo poo away from me.
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The thing is they need Laguna's character to grow somewhere, but they set the starting bar so, so low... Echoing sentiments about Laguna&Co being better than our standard party, sadly that's not saying much. Then again, unlike them, he'll get his moments.
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Simply Simon posted:I too think that Laguna and gang are much preferable to the other morons (sans Ze&Se ofc), but good LORD do I hate this scene. I can taste the awkwardness, and yes, this is what they are going for, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Every single Ben Stiller movie ever. HE'S AWKWARD AND NERVOUS AROUND A GIRL AND/OR HER FAMILY, SOMETIMES HE LIES AND IT GETS HIM INTO TROUBLE, WE ALL GET IT 
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I don't really like Laguna and co that much. V V But I dont really remember them all the way. The main things I remember about this game are triple triad, the music that plays during the DRAMATIC MOMENTS, and parts that haven't happened yet.
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Vil posted:Fun fact: if you leave the bar in that window between Julia inviting Laguna up to her room and actually going up there yourself, in other words here: Which is awesome by the way. Laguna: Don't worry, it's cool man we can park here. Everybody stuck in traffic 10 minutes later: I don't know who parked there but that's an official military vehicle so it MUST be critical.
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Wizard of Smart posted:I don't really like Laguna and co that much. V You...You heretic! How could you desecrate the holy visage of Laguna Loire: HERO OF THE In all honesty though, Laguna feels like a love/hate character. Considering that he acts like a psychopathic manchild half of the time, I can understand why you might not like him. Especially since he's a foil to Squall, in which I'm assuming that you're supposed to like one or the other. But Zell's the best character anyway, so screw them.
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Variant_Eris posted:But Zell's the best character anyway, so screw them.
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Variant_Eris posted:But Zell's the best character anyway, so screw them. I like the cut of your jib.
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I'll be honest here, Laguna is my absolute favourite character in the game. When Dissidia 012 was announced and Laguna was shown to be in the game, it was basically my happiest FF moment ever. Then I realized I can't play him for poo poo, but that's another matter entirely. Laguna is basically the best.
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Loving this LP so far! This one gets a(n often justified) bad rap and seems to be cursed to LP but this is awesome and your notes on the subtle character stuff is making me want to put this on my vita and do another run. Also I think something that pretty much everyone can agree on (and that has had attention called to it) is that this game is beautifully animated. There's so many animations and little character tics that it's just great to watch in motion.
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I agree, Cool Ghost you're doing a great job on this LP and it's been really entertaining so far. I'm looking forward to see how you handle the upcoming sections of the game. I hope you trying to make sense of/justify plot points doesn't break you and turn you into a drunken homophobe and/or rapist. Stay strong.
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