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Livewire42
Oct 2, 2013
name the dog anal

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Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change
So, Cool Ghost, do you plan on giving at least a brief summary of Chocobo World?

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

Kemix posted:

So, Cool Ghost, do you plan on giving at least a brief summary of Chocobo World?

I'm going to see what I can do on this. I know the idea of it, but I've never had a chance to actually play it myself.

Gravity Cant Apple
Jun 25, 2011

guys its just like if you had an apple with a straw n you poked the apple though wit it n a pebbl hadnt dropped through itd stop straw insid the apple because gravity cant apple
Gotta vote for Dogmeat for Angelo.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER
Well, it's now Friday, and so I'm closing the vote on dog names. It looks like Angelo will be keeping her name.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Cool Ghost posted:

Well, it's now Friday, and so I'm closing the vote on dog names. It looks like Angelo will be keeping her name.

Thank god.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change

Cool Ghost posted:

I'm going to see what I can do on this. I know the idea of it, but I've never had a chance to actually play it myself.

I have been playing the PC version myself. I might be able to help with getting info for it.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER
Part Seventeen: Really, This is the One I Should Have Called "Taking the Train"


We've talked to all the Forest Owls and stolen their magazines, so I suppose it's time to get a move on.


Yes, Watts, he was very handsome.


I just said we've seen it. Pay attention.



Let's go.


And here we are, on top of a speeding train.


We still have to jump onto another one, though.

: We should time our jumps well after we catch up to them to save some time.

As far as I know, when you (the player) jump affects nothing.

: From now we have exactly......5 minutes to complete the operation. Let's try to use every second.



Rinoa is loving fearless about jumping between trains. Look at the gap.



The SeeDs are much more conservative.


Hey, how did Zell and Selphie already cross the car? Did they jump the whole way?


This is the second escort car, the one with all the sensors.


Seems like there might be something going on, though.


Oh. Well.


This exchange is not one you're likely to see. Experienced players just book it across the car, knowing that the sensor is broken. Inexperienced players will get as far as "it's broken" and book it.


I like that they at least put something here, though. They could have left it with nothing.




Hell, I'd never even stuck around until this run to watch them talk. I didn't have any idea the conversation went this long.

Galbadian Officer: Activation confirmed!
Galbadian Soldier: Activation confirmed!

The Galbadian army is so good.


So far, so good.



The characters look very silly if you take pictures of them halfway through jumping.


Selphie just looks like she's having fun.


Meanwhile, inside the train...


Oh hey, it's the president.

President Deling: How many more times do you plan to disturb me with that meaningless report?

President Deling is a jerk.

Galbadian Soldier: Sir, I'm sorry sir. ...But it's my duty, sir!
President Deling: ...... It's hard to believe that anyone would put up with this nonsense. I guess it's none of my business. Dismissed.
Galbadian Soldier: ......! Sir, yes, sir!



Reminder that Galbadian soldiers like this one (or Laguna) are just doing jobs, the same as the SeeDs.


Now, back to our party.

: Like Watts said, there should be 2 guards on this car. Selphie and Zell, you guys keep an eye on the guards. Let us know early if you see them coming.






: Ok, are you ready to enter the codes? We'll have to enter 3 codes to disable the circuit for this uncoupling. Ok, Squall, get the cable ready.

As far as gameplay goes, the Timber mission is an excuse to put some minigames in and break up the "go here, watch scene, fight boss, go other place" design that's essential to RPGs.


There's another little tutorial on moving on the cable, but it's not important.

: We have 4 minutes left! Good luck, Squall!


This is pretty easy. She tells you the code, and then you put it in with the face buttons. The challenge is that you have to remember the code, because it disappears when the entry window comes up.


Naturally, I hosed it up the first time because I was trying to clear Rinoa's dialogue window.


Zell and Selphie will call out when the guards start coming toward Squall. There's enough time to play it safe and come up after every code.


Once the text boxes are gone or the guards reach the end of the car, you're good to go.


It went much better this time.


As long as you go down to enter the code as soon as the guard passes, there's usually time to get two in. This isn't difficult.


This uncoupling is especially easy, since you have Zell and Selphie helping you out.


Ta-da.


Moving on.


An FMV is about to start.


Like most seamless FMVs, you have a bit of time where you're in control and can run around like a doofus.



There goes the back half of the train.


And here are the Owls, right on time.



And they slide right in.


Oh, hey, this guy again.

:eng101: You can tell that's the dummy president because he's reading the paper.



Galbadian Soldier: (Huh..... He's not angry. Phew. That's strange. Oh, he's reading the paper. I wonder where he got it?)



The game also tells you it's the dummy.

Galbadian Officer: S-S-Sir aye aye...YESSIR!



Galbadian Soldier: S-Sir, yessir!


Poor Galbadian Soldier. A victim of the Galbadian army's hosed up pay structure.


When the Galbadian Officer tries to move forward in the train, he should end up in the first escort car, but the game acts like he sees the base, so I think this scene might be using a weird camera angle where the far end of the car is the back of the train, and the close end is the front.


Either way, the officer writes off his suspicions immediately.


His underling is more concerned about his paycheque than anything else. The Galbadians' complacency is as much a part of the plan as anything the Owls are doing.


Now we just have to pop the second escort off so that the Owls can take the president's car. Easy.

: I think there are 2 guards on this car, too. Zell and Selphie are up ahead, working on uncoupling our train from theirs. So you're on your own this time.


This car is technically tougher than the first one, since you have to work as your own lookout. It's not a problem if you play conservatively, though.


Five codes means three trips, if you're good. Since the guards start in the middle of the train, you have less time for the first code.

: Are you ready, Squall? We have 2 minutes left! Good luck, Squall!


Like I said, not a problem.

Also, when Rinoa said we had "2 minutes left", she meant we had, like, a minute and 40 seconds.


And we're out.



The Owls' train pops out of the middle of the Galbadian train.



Then the two split up at the switch point.


And we roll off into the sunset.


Happy to be of service. Enjoy your chat.


Watts is a touch more ebullient than Zone.


This is the reward for doing the entire train job without getting caught by the guards. If you do get caught, the dialogue doesn't change, you just don't get the rank up.

: Well then...


Looks like it's time for the Owls to divvy up jobs again.

Zone: OwOwOuccchhh.



Zone takes a powder.



: As soon as you're ready, I'll begin 'serious negotiations' with the president!


Squall doesn't have much confidence in the Forest Owls.



Also, in a dick move, the game removes Zell and Selphie's junctions during the scene where Laguna is alone with Julia. It is very easy to not notice this if you don't have something junctioned to HP or just check Squall's junctions first.



So be careful to give them their junctions back, or you'll be stuck with Attack in the next fight.



There's nothing very interesting going on with the Owls at this point (the other Owls don't have new dialogue).


So let's go chat with Deling. I'm sure he'll be very amicable.


Yeah, there he is.

: As long as you...don't resist, you won't get hurt...




: What's wrong?

Deling must smell bad or something. Rinoa's spooked, but Squall hasn't noticed what spooked her.



President Deling: I'm not the president. I'm what they call...a body double.

We've been duped!



Fake President Deling: You pass along a little false information and they fall for it... How pathetic... Seems like there are only amateurs around here.
: Ama...teurs...!?

Rinoa resents the remark, but Deling is right, the Forest Owls are amateurs. Even this plan, for all its details, was amateurish, and kidnapping the president to negotiate isn't really a winning tactic. The Owls are dedicated to rebellion, but they haven't got any real experience.


Back to the now, though. Fake Deling moves very oddly, lurching around and standing stooped over. As soon as he stands up, you can tell something is off about him.


He also speaks strangely.

Fake President Deling: Why doN'T you teLL mE...


Then he goes for Rinoa, who's frozen up in the face of danger, again belying her amateurishness.



Well, he's not the real president, so I guess we can just cap him.



Fake Deling does not move or stand like a normal human being. You can see his weird posture here, and he twitches a lot. It's pretty uncomfortable, honestly.



He's not much of a threat, though.


And the only thing he's carrying is Cure.


The Fake President has, at most, 778 HP. He is not a challenging fight.

He also has two other lines that you'll probably never see, because they depend on dealing enough damage but not killing him:

Fake President Deling: kiLL...thE...REsisTanCE...
Fake President Deling: aMusINg...tHIs iS AmuSinG!


And that's all there is to the Fake President fight.


Oh poo poo, I lied. Looks like he's coming back for round two.


Uhh...




After the laser show, this guy shows up. This is the real boss, Gerogero.

:eng101: In the Japanese version, Gerogero's escaping guts were red instead of blue. This was censored because the guts looked too real.


Eloquently put, Squall.


And a good answer.


"Brrawghh!" is actually the name of an attack, which affects whoever it hits with Slow (which slows the rate of the ATB), Curse (which prevents the character from using Limits), and Blind.


Gerogero uses a lot of status effects, but thankfully has Esuna to draw, so you should be able to heal yourself.


He also has Double to draw, in case you really want it.


Berserk isn't really great for anything in this game.


And Zombie is a decent enough Vit junction, but it's easier to get elsewhere (like Blood Soul cards, which refine to Zombie Powder, which is 20 Zombies, or Holy water, which refines to 2 Zombies and can be purchased).


Gerogero can also cast Berserk, as he did to Selphie. This can be a real problem if it hits someone who's Blind, or if all your characters have Berserk and you're stuck using physical attacks.


Unfortunately for him, Gerogero is an undead boss, so I have Squall queue up a Phoenix Down while Zell heals himself.



Gerogero doesn't like it when Squall tosses a Phoenix Down at him.


In fact, it kills him in one shot. Gerogero might be the toughest boss so far if you don't just do this to him.


Here's 160 free Zombie spells.


And a good use for the 20 AP Gerogero gives.



Followed by two bad ones.


And then it's back to the Owls' base for the debrief.

: I can't believe we fell for it!


It better be good.


To root out the resistance and kill you all?

Watts: The president's going to the TV Station! Security's super tight, sir!

Oh, he just wants to be on the news. Nevermind, then.

: ...The TV Station? Why in Timber? They can broadcast just as easily from Galbadia.
: Do you think the Dollet communication tower has anything to do with this?

Proof that Galbadia loves infrastructure?


Oh, right, these guys weren't there.



: It had been abandoned for a long time, but the Galbadian Army got it up and running yesterday.
Zone: Ohhhh... I get it... The only TV station that can handle broadcasts over the air is in Timber. Other stations use HD cable, which only supports online broadcasting.
: So, what's that supposed to mean?
Zone: They're planning on using radio waves. This way, they can transmit images to regions without cable.
: I know that...! What I want to know is, what is the president going to broadcast?

Whatever it is, it must be important.



: There must be something they want to say to the whole world. What can it be?

It's probably nothing good.




It's probably not that, no matter how persuasive Selphie's dance may be.


Everyone else in the room has the same opinion.

Zone: If I remember correctly, radio waves haven't been used in 17 years.
: It's been that long? Wouldn't it be wonderful if the first broadcast could be the declaration of Timber's independence!?

That might be nice, but it seems unlikely.

Zone: Hey! That might be possible.
: Let's come up with a plan then!

For the Owls, of course, hope springs eternal.


Oh, take all the time you need.


So they squat down in the corner to plan their second attack on the president of Galbadia, and the player gets control back.


Zell isn't impressed by the Forest Owls.


Selphie doesn't seem that into it, either.

: What about our contract? Shouldn't we check it, Squall?

The SeeDs are now openly opposed to helping the Owls any further. If Rinoa wants to steal another train, they'll probably mutiny.



Squall doesn't say anything, but he's clearly not a believer in the Forest Owls.

: Before we get into that, can I see your contract with our Garden?
: Oh, sure.


Let's take a look.

: What's it say?

Jesus, Zell, give me a chance to read it.

: ......




: ...The hell......?
: I don't get it.

Well, see, Garden is Party A, The Owls are Party B, and Seed is Party C. Now, the way -


Oh.

: When I told him I didn't understand, he gave me a different one.


She keeps saying this. How generous is this contract?

: What's it say this time?
: ......


Until Timber achieves independence? Wow, no wonder Rinoa thinks Cid is so nice, and no wonder the Garden Faculty was so mad at him. Jesus. I know I've said it, but from things like this contract and his chat with Seifer, it seems like Cid has something in mind for SeeD other than just making money.

: Until Timber's independence!?
: That is soooo vague!

Yeah, no poo poo. SeeD walked out of Dollet in the middle of the fight because they didn't pay, and now we're in Timber until god-only-knows-when. Explains why they sent rookies, though.

If you haven't noticed, the Timber mission isn't one for the A-Team. We probably got this job because the Garden wanted it out of the way right away and yesterday's graduates were handy. Low pay, an open-ended contract, the Owls' lack of professionalism and experience... We're Squad B forever.


And there's nothing we can do about it.

: Ok, let's decide on the parties!



I'm sure these reactions are very surprising to everyone.



And now we get to make a party! :toot:

Cool Ghost fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Sep 10, 2016

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

Kemix posted:

I have been playing the PC version myself. I might be able to help with getting info for it.

I think there's a way to do it with emulation, but if that falls through, I might have to take you up on this.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Why mess with a good thing? Our teammates may be a bit odd, but they're not idiots like anyone in the Owls.

Squall, Zell, Selphie

Unless we have to keep Rinoa, which in that case, she should be forced to tolerate Zell like we are.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
Say what you will about how that plan was terrible (it was) but Rinoa commits with those fuckin' jumps. I forgot about that part. At least they have enthusiasm, and whoever was driving the train did that poo poo right too. If only the Timber Owls were a freight-hauling and shipping company.

On the other hand, Zone's gimmick is already stupid and we've seen it, uh, twice? Worst resistance fighter ever.

e: oh last thing, remember this is all Cid's fault. What a contract. :v:

Psion fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jan 2, 2015

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

Waffleman_ posted:

Why mess with a good thing? Our teammates may be a bit odd, but they're not idiots like anyone in the Owls.

Squall, Zell, Selphie

Unless we have to keep Rinoa, which in that case, she should be forced to tolerate Zell like we are.

Yeah, if you want to suggest a party, you need Rinoa. I was going to take Selphie, because it makes no difference, but here we are.

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

A party without Selphie is no party at all.

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
Rinoa and Selphie!

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Voting for Zell.

Variant_Eris
Nov 2, 2014

Exhibition C: Colgate white smile
:argh: Dammit Cid, you lazy bastard. This was the worst operation you could've sent SeeD to cover. We could've gone to a bar, get drunk, and completely avoided the events to follow.

If there's one thing I'll give the Timber Owls, it's that they have enthusiasm for the job. Let's take Squall, Rinoa, and Zell.

Gravity Cant Apple
Jun 25, 2011

guys its just like if you had an apple with a straw n you poked the apple though wit it n a pebbl hadnt dropped through itd stop straw insid the apple because gravity cant apple
Selphie, so we can blow up the TV station with a rocket launcher!

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Bring Selphie.

Zell would just be a third wheel and Squall is a JRPG protagonist; therefore he should get allllll the ladies.

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!
From a gameplay perspective I think Zell is better, but Selphie is a more interesting character. Go Selphie.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Silver Falcon posted:

Squall is a JRPG protagonist; therefore he should get allllll the ladies.

Remember this post in a few updates :laugh:

Brony Hunter
Dec 27, 2012

Motherfucking Mannis

They'll bend the knee or I'll destroy them
Why is Rinoa a higher level? I thought everything scaled to your party? Ah well, take Zell, so he can get on live TV and prove to the world he's not a chicken wuss.

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Bring Selphie. She's more fun than Zell.

Also, I totally forgot to check my junctions before this boss fight the first time around :negative:

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Brony Hunter posted:

Why is Rinoa a higher level? I thought everything scaled to your party? Ah well, take Zell, so he can get on live TV and prove to the world he's not a chicken wuss.
She is scaled upwards.

I hate minigames. I severely dislike this mission.

stump collector
May 28, 2007
The game removes junctions for 3 of the 4 dream sequences if I am not mistaken. If you're ever given the chance to check over your party's stuff before a battle, do it. I almost got in a fight with a Ruby dragon as Laguna in the second to last dream sequence.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Whoever has the better dialogue.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

Brony Hunter posted:

Why is Rinoa a higher level? I thought everything scaled to your party?

All the party members start at a fixed level.

Digital Jello
Nov 2, 2012

Now I have a machine gun. Ho! Ho! Ho!
Did Gero escape from a Resident Evil game? He looks pretty out of character for an FF badguy, unless Dime-Store Tyrant's looking to expand its victim horizon. Also, I like how when he starts getting all creepy and Rinoa squats down and cowers, everyone just kind of stands there; on par with the amateur statements, I have to assume Squall is annoyed as hell.

Mega64 posted:

Whoever has the better dialogue.

Seconding this.

Reco
Feb 26, 2011

enemy one body to the proximity Zan attack discard the power slap hit.
I think my favorite bit here is how Cid just spazzes out in the background and just randomly walks around super fast and does his talk animation while teleporting (i think?).

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.
Zombie may not be that great for stats, but I think it makes a handy Status Attack junction, especially when paired with a command ability that provides unlimited free healing. Not many enemies are immune to Zombie status, so you can kill a lot of things pretty quickly that way.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Digital Jello posted:

Did Gero escape from a Resident Evil game? He looks pretty out of character for an FF badguy, unless Dime-Store Tyrant's looking to expand its victim horizon. Also, I like how when he starts getting all creepy and Rinoa squats down and cowers, everyone just kind of stands there; on par with the amateur statements, I have to assume Squall is annoyed as hell.

Selphie squats and covers her head:

Boardroom Jimmy
Aug 20, 2006

Ahhh ballet
I can't be the only one who hears the presidents voice as Billy West's Richard Nixon impression, can I?

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



exethan posted:

The game removes junctions for 3 of the 4 dream sequences if I am not mistaken. If you're ever given the chance to check over your party's stuff before a battle, do it. I almost got in a fight with a Ruby dragon as Laguna in the second to last dream sequence.

Actually, it's even more of a pain in the rear end than that. When we get more than 3 party members, it basically makes three specific party members into Laguna/Ward/Kiros. So as an example, Selphie->Kiros and Quistis->Ward. Whatever is on Selphie at the time becomes Kiros and whatever is on Quistis becomes Ward. Magic, junctioned GF's, etc. Wait, you were using Zell and Rinoa in your main party when it randomly hit you with a dream sequence? Sucks to be you, Ward and Kiros still took the (empty) inventories of Selphie and Quistis and have absolutely no stocked magic for you to junction or exchange. Enjoy your useless allies.


Cool Ghost posted:




: ...The hell......?
: I don't get it.
This is pretty much nonsense in the game-wide context. The Garden Faculty make an enormous deal about only doing the exact letter of the contract, but apparently SeeDs don't receive even the most minimal training in reading contracts (they're failing to understand the drat introduction!). How do you only follow the exact written limitations of the contract if the people responsible for it can't even read the thing at a basic level?

Rinoa not understanding the contract makes perfect sense though, since she's a self-taught, untrained resistance leader with (probably) fairly minimal education.

grandalt
Feb 26, 2013

I didn't fight through two wars to rule
I fought for the future of the world

And the right to have hot tea whenever I wanted

Mega64 posted:

Whoever has the better dialogue.

This, this again.

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

For some reason I thought that the fake president looked like George W bush. but this game was made well before he was even running for president.

Oh and Selphie.

Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

I vote Selphie . Also, When you have a creepy man flailing at you, I think the right response is TO RUN AWAY NOT COWER IN A BALL.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

Kheldarn posted:

Selphie squats and covers her head:



This is a good catch and I wish it hadn't gotten past me. Selphie's not even being attacked.

Vil
Sep 10, 2011

The game is very good at giving you a reminder to check your junctions (or check your "equipment", if you're playing Laguna) whenever the automatic unjunctioning thing might be an issue. And with one exception (the final battle) the game will always, always give you an opportunity to gently caress around in the menu and get your junctions set up, before the next time you have to fight anything with the previously unjunctioned party members.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Cool Ghost posted:

This is a good catch and I wish it hadn't gotten past me. Selphie's not even being attacked.

It might be because the text box covers her up, so it may have gone by too fast for you to notice it, and then it goes directly into battle:




When you were doing your writeup, your brain probably said, "Only Rinoa is reacting...", and so it slipped past. Heck, when I made my post, I wasn't 100% I had seen that, and had to go check your update.

You could add it to a Bonus Update, or just edit it in, I suppose...

Digital Jello
Nov 2, 2012

Now I have a machine gun. Ho! Ho! Ho!
Yeah, I missed the Selphie "duck and cover" deal too. It actually redeems Rinoa a bit in the sense she's not the only one scared, I guess. But then, we all love Selphie, so it's totally forgiveable when she does that.

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Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER
I was just looking at Rinoa because she's right at the focus of the scene. I'll probably just edit in a note about it.

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