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Anoia
Dec 31, 2003

"Sooner or later, every curse is a prayer."
I've been following this thread for so long, just reading the reviews with no desire to go back and watch anything, and now I'm watching the Eleventh Hour. Goddamn it.

Side note, because I know I'm going to fall completely off the wagon, how long does it usually take Netflix to get the latest season, anyway?

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ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
"I am the Doctor" is the only piece of the doctor who soundtrack other than the main theme that ever appealed to me. I got the series 5 soundtrack thinking there'd be a lot to like, before realizing that no, it's only the two pieces carrying the whole of series 5.

And I feel like all the discussion of it will hinder it's toxx's ability to enjoy it.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

ikanreed posted:

"I am the Doctor" is the only piece of the doctor who soundtrack other than the main theme that ever appealed to me. I got the series 5 soundtrack thinking there'd be a lot to like, before realizing that no, it's only the two pieces carrying the whole of series 5.

And I feel like all the discussion of it will hinder it's toxx's ability to enjoy it.

The earlier seasons, particularly Three, had lots more good music to enjoy, whereas Five onwards basically do just have that one piece of really incredible music.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Octarine Dream posted:


Side note, because I know I'm going to fall completely off the wagon, how long does it usually take Netflix to get the latest season, anyway?

I think it's usually right before the new season starts airing.

fake edit: Series 7 was on Netflix starting mid June of last year, and the episodes began airing two months later.

Stobbit
Mar 9, 2006
Here's a video of Murray Gold himself belting out that incredible theme on the piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKrt5IVXQ7k

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

MikeJF posted:

Nah, it's Amy's Theme earlier on in that scene and then it transitions to the Eleventh Doctor's Adventure Theme for the last pan bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7VmOZ4Ppj8

This song is so Doctor Who to me, I forgot it didn't show up until Smith's run, and if I think of Doctor Who music, I probably think of this before the actually iconic Doctor Who theme.

Glenn_Beckett
Sep 13, 2008

When I see a 9/11 victim family on television I'm just like 'Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaqua'

Stobbit posted:

Here's a video of Murray Gold himself belting out that incredible theme on the piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKrt5IVXQ7k

Song is so loving good.

I'm the biggest Tennant fanwanker on earth, still am, and the gap he left, or I thought he'd leave, was MASSIVE. Having Smith come on and so clearly, definitively, in a single episode, be absolutely the doctor was so reassuring. Then, of course, there was the fact that this might be the greatest pure who episode of the revival.

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe

Toxxupation posted:

that piccolo(?) riff that comes in at :35 is so good, it sums up that sort of pure wonderment essence that DW at its best embodies

FOR MUSIC EDUCATION PURPOSES: That riff is a unison section being played by an Oboe, a Clarinet and a Flute. The Oboe and Clarinet are deliberately in the forefront, which gives the line a sort of playful, Benny Goodman-esque quality. Appropriate for Eleven, who could have fallen into the 1940s and not missed a beat.

It also works as a musical representation of one of the dichotomies of Eleven. The riff is played over Super Serious action music. Eleven is an old man, betrayed by a boyish face, which makes it hard for others to take him seriously. Literally "a face that nobody listens to".

It's the punchy-quip, the witty remark. Eleven faces danger with half a smile on his face and a one-liner primed and ready to go. His theme appropriately molds itself to that dynamic.

Compare 9/10's theme, which is this sort of ethereal, distant, longing and drat depressing melodic statement.

Note, too, around the 2:50 mark in I Am The Doctor how suddenly the tone shifts slightly to include a lot more upper woodwind runs and riffs, along with some high, tinkly metals, piano and unison boys/women's choir melodics. That is 100 percent, pure Fantasy scoring. It's textbook (literally, as a media composition student we were taught this as one of the major ways to score fantasy subjects). Doctor Who is suddenly a fairy tale, and the theme adapts.

ComposerGuy fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jan 6, 2015

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

Oh boy oh boy I'm looking forward to this one :)

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
I'm becoming
Tana in, Tana in my mind.



So much for first place...

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

Occ you bastard

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

The Doctor tried to use Plasmids once but he just regenerated.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

drat it, I misjudged this one.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

Well, I know what I'm watching tonight.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

Doesn't seem relevant but I agree

RodShaft
Jul 31, 2003
Like an evil horny Santa Claus.


Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

And since this one bastardizes all of those, it gets an F... I knew it!

Republican Vampire
Jun 2, 2007

Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

Quick: Which Fallout and Which Bioshock?

New Vegas/Core Region Trilogy FO' LIFE. Also Bioshock 2 probably had the best gameplay but the dumbest story.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


ComposerGuy posted:

FOR MUSIC EDUCATION PURPOSES: That riff is a unison section being played by an Oboe, a Clarinet and a Flute. The Oboe and Clarinet are deliberately in the forefront, which gives the line a sort of playful, Benny Goodman-esque quality. Appropriate for Eleven, who could have fallen into the 1940s and not missed a beat.
(more awesome stuff snipped)

Thank you! I love learning stuff like this.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry


I've got a bad feeling about this. The thing is, with what, nearly a hundred entries in the contest this time? An early slip might not be recoverable, and I think I made that slip. :sigh:

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




ComposerGuy posted:

Compare 9/10's theme, which is this sort of ethereal, distant, longing and drat depressing melodic statement.

Well that was really 9's theme, and fit since he was a PTSD-suffering war survivor.

It's a bit weird 10 didn't have his own theme, really. Although I kinda think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEcij0ARkmU

even though it was really only for one season.

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe

MikeJF posted:

Well that was really 9's theme, and fit since he was a PTSD-suffering war survivor.

It's a bit weird 10 didn't have his own theme, really. Although I kinda think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEcij0ARkmU

even though it was really only for one season.

Yeah it was more 9's for sure, but it popped up often enough for 10 that it sort of became his, too...and it never really fit.

Hell, his regeneration sequence blasts it full-bore.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

ComposerGuy posted:


Note, too, around the 2:50 mark in I Am The Doctor how suddenly the tone shifts slightly to include a lot more upper woodwind runs and riffs, along with some high, tinkly metals, piano and unison boys/women's choir melodics. That is 100 percent, pure Fantasy scoring. It's textbook (literally, as a media composition student we were taught this as one of the major ways to score fantasy subjects). Doctor Who is suddenly a fairy tale, and the theme adapts.

I don't think I ever heard that specific part in the show, but that does remind me of Mhysa (Dany's theme) from Game of Thrones, and it makes sense because her story was always more "fairy tale" than the rest of the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t987p0f9y54

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe

computer parts posted:

I don't think I ever heard that specific part in the show, but that does remind me of Mhysa (Dany's theme) from Game of Thrones, and it makes sense because her story was always more "fairy tale" than the rest of the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t987p0f9y54

Exactly. Nothing says "fantasy" like a boy's choir or women's chorus throwing out some sustained "oohs" and "aahs".

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


ComposerGuy posted:

Exactly. Nothing says "fantasy" like a boy's choir or women's chorus throwing out some sustained "oohs" and "aahs".

Just as nothing says "fairy tale" like celesta music.

Xenoborg
Mar 10, 2007

My favorite from the 9 and 10 era was definitely the song they played whenever they were talking about the time lords. Best part is the violin(maybe?) solo that start at about 1 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMdN7yZxM3k

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Toxxupation posted:

things I love:

fallout
bioshock
morally ambiguous choices
stuff that makes me cry

loving hell right. I genuinely liked this episode even though there were many who didn't.

Honestly, I felt like this season was nearly perfect. Not a single bad episode. There was one episode I thought was just 'alright' but nothing bad.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
Is it not discussion of the episode until the review is posted or no discussion until toxx watches it?

Because I've got opinions.

primaltrash
Feb 11, 2008

(Thought-ful Croak)
Just post about it in the bad thread like the rest of us who can't wait for these things to happen at a normal pace.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

armoredgorilla posted:

Just post about it in the bad thread

The Office thread is still around?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Bicyclops posted:

One of the only bad things about reading someone experiencing the beginnings of Matt Smith Doctor Who is that I get the Eleventh Doctor Murray Gold theme stuck in my head. It is not a bad song (it's catchy!), but having it stuck in your head all day imbues your grocery shopping with a kind of desperate, bombastic importance that makes choosing a brand of peanut butter a little too dramatic for my tastes.

I remember getting to this point of the series.

I wondered if Murray Gold deliberately was channeling the whistle theme of the X-Files, since every Moffat episode to that point was about couches who eat children who hide behind them.

Blasmeister posted:

Just so we're clear:

New Vegas and Bioshock 2 are the superior games.

Only because of Minerva's Den. Bioshock 2 made Little Sisters go from creepy to adorable for player appeal, and had something like Evangelion's unification instrumentality mumbo jumbo as the apparent endgame of fanatical Communism.

It took a DLC mission better than the main campaign to save it.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jan 6, 2015

Blasmeister
Jan 15, 2012




2Time TRP Sack Race Champion

Just so we're clear:

New Vegas and Bioshock 2 are the superior games.

Craptacular! posted:


Only because of Minerva's Den. Bioshock 2 made Little Sisters go from creepy to adorable for player appeal, and had something like Evangelion's unification instrumentality mumbo jumbo as the apparent endgame of fanatical Communism.

It took a DLC mission better than the main campaign to save it.

I mostly rate 2 best because the game was actually fun and engaging to play while still being as/more rewarding to wander around and explore as the other games. 1 had way to much padding in the last third of the game and infinite was so barebones mechanically it just wasn't much fun to play.

Blasmeister fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jan 6, 2015

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




New Vegas was a better game but I honestly preferred the Capitol Wasteland setting more, The Mojave just felt like a city and surroundings that had fallen on hard times rather than a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

Wasn't the point that it'd been a few hundred years since the war and it makes sense that people had started to rebuild in that time period?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Vegas was largely spared during the war, so it deliberately was designed to not be as destroyed as the Capitol. Though because the war changes history and keeps culture permanently stuck in a 1950s stereotype, Vegas still has a new generation of schmaltzy lounge lizard casinos that look more like the Sands and Sahara than anything built from Caesars onward.

Republican Vampire
Jun 2, 2007

The point is that the core-region trilogy (1,2, NV) is about the ruins of post-apocalyptic culture rebuilding into this kind of hosed up neo-imperial power. It's not so much about the end of the world by the time of New Vegas as it is about our refusal to learn from the conflicts that tore that world apart. So the focus is less on the war that happened than on the war and social pressures that exist in the game's present.

It's almost as if... War?

War never changes...

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Colonel Cool posted:

Wasn't the point that it'd been a few hundred years since the war and it makes sense that people had started to rebuild in that time period?

Oh, yeah, it made sense in context, but I liked the post-apocalyptic ruins. Or at the very least the chaos of the little outposts and towns of fallout 1/2 where they'd started to rebuild and eke things out. New Vegas was too... clean for me. Works for some but eh, not so much for me. I understand what they were going for though.

Republican Vampire
Jun 2, 2007

Also New Vegas is way better than Fallout 3 because it actually tries when it comes to narrative design. The quests are actually built around the medium and what makes the medium interesting. The major quests have multiple points of entry or are essentially side-stories designed to explore characters that the player has clearly become invested in like Boone, Veronica or Arcade. It's a game that takes the way the player engages with it and actually bothers to fold that into its story, and while it might not present people with as pat an amusement-park world to run around in, I think it was a better video game because it was built around the sort of subjective video game stories that video games do well rather than hammering home how important your dad was and how said you should be that he died and how noble he was and how you should care about your dad and oh, look, a kooky city of children that's tonally a bit jarring unless you turn up at exactly the right time in the overly forced arc about you and your dad.

Plus they tore out all the weird voodoo when it came to shooting so shooting finally didn't feel weird.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

I sure could use some confirmation from Bethesda for some Fallout 4 right now...

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




A Fallout with the dramatically improved (albiet still horribly flawed) post-Skyrim engine as opposed to the post-Oblivion engine would be lovely and amazing and time to buy a new computer.

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