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Darchangel posted:Holy gently caress, I am never buying a VAG anything. More for me   
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Darchangel posted:Holy gently caress, I am never buying a VAG anything. I bought a used 06 GLI thinking it can't be that bad, must be just a small number of bad experiences just being very vocal. Up until I sold it I had to replace: Camshaft BOV FR CV boot Fuel pump front brake pads/rotors Too many sensors to name, pretty sure about all were replaced. had to have the exhaust manifold un-fouled due to black gunk buildup and the electronics were going out, drivers side door would sometimes not trigger interior lights and sometimes not even lock. The stereo was ok at least. From what I hear you should avoid buying any VAG cars the year they do a rework of the platforms, so getting an 06 was just bad decision making on my part.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:14
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My plan is just to make sure I have an extended warranty on any VAG product I own  That and trade up before the warranty is out My mom just bought a 15 beetle convertible and the place she bought it from does a "forever warranty" for the first owner. Covers anything power train for the original owner.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:14
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Darchangel posted:Holy gently caress, I am never buying a VAG anything. Good. veedubfreak posted:My plan is just to make sure I have an extended warranty on any VAG product I own I know a guy with a late 00's 735i. He was cunning and got mechanical breakdown insurance, then went to the BMW dealer complaining about a ticking noise on cold mornings. $10,000 of the insurance company's money later he has a completely mint 7 series!
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Jan 12, 2015 22:21
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And we were seriously considering a new Golf for our next family car. Welp, back to Japan!
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Jan 12, 2015 22:37
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veedubfreak posted:My plan is just to make sure I have an extended warranty on any VAG product I own Why waste a carmax warranty on a golf when you can get a range rover or an amg mercedes?
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Jan 12, 2015 22:40
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Darchangel posted:Holy gently caress, I am never buying a VAG anything. Some men just don't like VAG. I'm okay with that.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:42
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If you have an 04-06 VW diesel, camshafts and lifters are a wear item. 
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Jan 12, 2015 23:22
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My first car was a '99.5 Jetta VR6. I loved that little car; it never let me down, even when I drove it to Alaska and back. All it asked of me in seven years was a couple of O2 sensors and a shifter linkage whose plastic ball-joints had split.
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Jan 12, 2015 23:47
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Crustashio posted:If you have an 04-06 VW diesel, camshafts and lifters are a wear item. Right around when the ALH was phased out in favor of the Common Rail, they had a rash of camshaft failures due to metallurgical quality issues, caused multiple camshafts to split in half. Easy to prevent, they made an updated camshaft, but still rather sad as their TDI has become one of their best products.
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Jan 12, 2015 23:47
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CommieGIR posted:Right around when the ALH was phased out in favor of the Common Rail, they had a rash of camshaft failures due to metallurgical quality issues, caused multiple camshafts to split in half. Easy to prevent, they made an updated camshaft, but still rather sad as their TDI has become one of their best products. VW always touts in softball interviews that they are a market leader in diesels because diesel take rate on the Jetta is like 35%+. Because I'm pretty sure the reason people buy the diesel is because your other options are the 115hp 8v 2.slow or the 2.5l I5 with less power than a base model Civic and worse fuel economy than a V6 Accord.
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Jan 13, 2015 00:19
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Throatwarbler posted:VW always touts in softball interviews that they are a market leader in diesels because diesel take rate on the Jetta is like 35%+. Yeah, if anyone else made a diesel car that was worth it out here, I'd be all over it.
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Jan 13, 2015 00:27
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Throatwarbler posted:VW always touts in softball interviews that they are a market leader in diesels because diesel take rate on the Jetta is like 35%+. If they can sell the diesel I don't see why they can't also sell the (comparatively excellent) TSI petrol models. Even if they're more expensive than the current petrol models they should still be cheaper than the current diesel and are infinitely nicer to drive. Then they just need to sort out that god-awful 7 speed DSG (if that's even possible) Wasabi the J posted:Yeah, if anyone else made a diesel car that was worth it out here, I'd be all over it. With modern petrol cars improving so quickly I don't think there is any place for diesel except in larger executive cars where there is still a real fuel economy advantage.
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Jan 13, 2015 00:31
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dissss posted:If they can sell the diesel I don't see why they can't also sell the (comparatively excellent) TSI petrol models. Even if they're more expensive than the current petrol models they should still be cheaper than the current diesel and are infinitely nicer to drive. Could be cost, is the 1.4T direct injected? GM uses the 1.4T in almost their entire small vehicle lineup and it's doing great. Chrysler's 1.4Ts are doing we....uh, the engine isn't the problem anyway. VW's thing is apparently to undercut the competition in price significantly including Chrysler and Hyundai. Over in the BFC thread we talked about it early last year and the transaction prices for the 2.5l Passat were lower than the transaction prices for a Civic LX. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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Jan 13, 2015 00:37
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dissss posted:With modern petrol cars improving so quickly I don't think there is any place for diesel except in larger executive cars where there is still a real fuel economy advantage. Nah. Modern small common rail diesels have a huge fuel economy advantage even in small cars. They also have a far more useful torque curve for the sort of driving 90% of buyers do. The majority of new passenger cars sold in Europe are diesel, Americans are just weird about fuel -like with many other things- and mistakenly think this is the norm everywhere.
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Jan 13, 2015 00:40
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Pretty sure diesel is actually slowly fading away in Europe as petrol engines improve Anyway which would you choose?  Remember these are all turbos and all have a decent amount of mid range torque (and are all bought with autos anyway) e. Urrghh more helpful if I don't cut off the top part dissss fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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Jan 13, 2015 00:48
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You want slow? Here's slow for you. 0-60 in 37.2 seconds for the stock 1.9 wasserboxer.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejA1tBuCxJg Mine was a 1.9 with the 3 speed non-lockup automatic. It was even slower than that.
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Jan 13, 2015 00:49
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dissss posted:Pretty sure diesel is actually slowly fading away in Europe as petrol engines improve According to this that isn't true. Granted it's old now but I can't imagine things changing that much in the span of a year. Diesel dominates the passenger car market in the EU; in 2012, 55% of all newly registered cars were powered by diesel engines. As ever, there is significant variation among Member States. Belgium, France, and Spain have diesel take-up rates of around 70%, while in the Netherlands the rate is much lower, 29% (Fig. 4-1).
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Jan 13, 2015 01:16
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In the UK in 2013 it was about 50-50 with petrol very slowly increasing in share. Probably has a lot to do with how they're taxed (I think CO2 emissions is a big part), but there is also a real backlash against diesel because it's no longer considered as green as it used to be.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:22
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Vanagoon posted:You want slow? Here's slow for you. Part of me secretly wants to just gut my SVX and put the EG33 engine in an Vanagon just to gently caress with people. I'd probably end up rolling it or something though.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:42
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1500quidporsche posted:Part of me secretly wants to just gut my SVX and put the EG33 engine in an Vanagon just to gently caress with people. I'd probably end up rolling it or something though. Turbo EJ25 'em both.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:47
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Turbo EJ25 'em both. I'd sooner put a manual in the SVX so I could hear the flat 6 rev for more than 3 seconds before the auto hosed it up. But sadly it just has to go, there's no love between me and that car anymore.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:51
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Slavvy posted:According to this that isn't true. Granted it's old now but I can't imagine things changing that much in the span of a year. France says gently caress you, diesel.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:52
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That's not good. Once the diesel smoke blows away, they'll only be able to smell eachother.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:54
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1500quidporsche posted:I'd sooner put a manual in the SVX so I could hear the flat 6 rev for more than 3 seconds before the auto hosed it up. But sadly it just has to go, there's no love between me and that car anymore. Give what's left of it to me.
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Jan 13, 2015 02:07
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Give what's left of it to me. Name your price. I was hoping to capitalize on Alberta's "list a wrecked SVX for a ridiculously high price" trend though.
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Jan 13, 2015 02:11
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1500quidporsche posted:Name your price. I was hoping to capitalize on Alberta's "list a wrecked SVX for a ridiculously high price" trend though. My local Subaru mechanic has an entire shelf labeled "SVX Parts" with a thick layer of dust on it 
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Jan 13, 2015 02:12
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1500quidporsche posted:Name your price. I was hoping to capitalize on Alberta's "list a wrecked SVX for a ridiculously high price" trend though. Hell if the windshield's intact I bet you can get a mint for it.  I have no idea what they're actually worth. How bad is it?
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1500quidporsche posted:Part of me secretly wants to just gut my SVX and put the EG33 engine in an Vanagon just to gently caress with people. I'd probably end up rolling it or something though. I drove a Vanagon camper with a EJ22ZZ in it and it was scary enough.
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Jan 13, 2015 02:18
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Hell if the windshield's intact I bet you can get a mint for it. Windshield sadly has like a two inch crack in the upper passenger side from a rock chip that was above where you can actually see on the glass. There's also a minor scrape on the rear passenger side. Its not really that bad the rotors need to be turned and there is a crack in one of the OEM rims but I got some tasteful 17 inch rims with summer tires. Was going to list for $4k and hope for $3.5k, I've really got no idea what the market will bear for that vehicle though.
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Jan 13, 2015 02:23
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It makes driving them so much fun. No turbo in mine though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ungX9xRxJEQ
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While we're bitching about VW diesels, I'd like to bitch about my frien'ds 2013 TDI Jetta. No torque until 2200 rpm, then it's suddenly pulling like hell. The real problem is that you have to shift it 1k rpm later or it does something really nasty. Pulling it to 4k rpm gives you audible turbo shudder, since it has no blowoff valve; between 3k and 4k rpm you get to choose how much turbo shudder. I know that you could work around that by not letting off the throttle during a shift, but neither of us trust the dual mass flywheel to survive that. So, it effectively has a 1k rpm power band, which is no fun to drive really.
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Jan 13, 2015 04:01
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Sounds like there is something up with it. The absolutely no torque at low revs thing is standard on small diesels though - at least on everything I've driven
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My 2006 made peak torque at 1800 RPM (240 ft/lbs). It was something like 180ft/lbs without the tune. Are the vanes stuck?
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Slavvy posted:Nah. Modern small common rail diesels have a huge fuel economy advantage even in small cars. They also have a far more useful torque curve for the sort of driving 90% of buyers do. The majority of new passenger cars sold in Europe are diesel, Americans are just weird about fuel -like with many other things- and mistakenly think this is the norm everywhere. This isn't entirely true, VW TDIs saw a decrease in MPGs when they transitioned to the Common Rails over the VE pumps. EightBit posted:While we're bitching about VW diesels, I'd like to bitch about my frien'ds 2013 TDI Jetta. No torque until 2200 rpm, then it's suddenly pulling like hell. The real problem is that you have to shift it 1k rpm later or it does something really nasty. Pulling it to 4k rpm gives you audible turbo shudder, since it has no blowoff valve; between 3k and 4k rpm you get to choose how much turbo shudder. I know that you could work around that by not letting off the throttle during a shift, but neither of us trust the dual mass flywheel to survive that. So, it effectively has a 1k rpm power band, which is no fun to drive really. His vanes are stuck on his variable vane turbo. Get it into the shop.
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Jan 13, 2015 05:47
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Yeah something is wrong there. My '10 had little to no torque at idle-1500rpm but once you passed that the drat thing would pull like hell and was perfectly happy until just before redline when power dropped off a cliff. The variable vanes in the turbo should keep boost smooth all the way until you are bouncing off the rev limiter. They can get carboned up a bit if the vehicle isn't driven hard from time to time though.
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Shifty Pony posted:Yeah something is wrong there. My '10 had little to no torque at idle-1500rpm but once you passed that the drat thing would pull like hell and was perfectly happy until just before redline when power dropped off a cliff. That is kind of strange for a diesel, because I (and I suspect most people) associate diesels with lots of low-end gumption but no high-end thrust. Conversely, I rented a couple of VAG diesels in the UK on two separate trips, a Golf and an A3 that I think both came with the 1.6 Bluemotion TDI. Both engines felt pretty gutless at 80+ mph on the motorway and frequently required changing down to 4th to surmount inclines even at that speed, but were tenacious at lower speeds. It was basically impossible to creep in traffic without riding the clutch because otherwise the car would immediately blast off at 10-12 mph in first as soon as you let the clutch out all the way, instead of the 5 mph I'm used to in first gear. I haven't driven any of the 2.0 TDIs over here in the US, either the Mk6 or Mk7 varieties, but my wife and I bought a BMW with the N47 diesel motor and it seems to have a virtually limitless well of torque around 2000 RPM. Above about 3500 RPM, though, the magic completely disappears. Still, considering you have almost no reason to ever exceed 2000 RPM with that engine, it's perfectly designed for the way the car's driven 99.9% of the time (the remaining 0.1% being merging into Lincoln Tunnel traffic from a dead stop, which it is not great at).
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The last 1.6 TDI Golf I drove would stall immediately if you let the clutch out fairly quickly with no throttle - while they have a whack of torque once they hit boost there is absolutely nothing off-idle
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It's only been a few months but I've loved everything about my 2012 Jetta TDI. Sometimes the little dwarf inside the transmission who does the shifting gets a little confused, but otherwise it's been the bee's knees.
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CommieGIR posted:This isn't entirely true, VW TDIs saw a decrease in MPGs when they transitioned to the Common Rails over the VE pumps. Yes but that's VAG and we've been over them. Shifty Pony posted:Yeah something is wrong there. My '10 had little to no torque at idle-1500rpm but once you passed that the drat thing would pull like hell and was perfectly happy until just before redline when power dropped off a cliff. chutwig posted:That is kind of strange for a diesel, because I (and I suspect most people) associate diesels with lots of low-end gumption but no high-end thrust. Actually most (good) common rails make a lot more torque everywhere than they would as a conventional diesel. It just feels like they really start to fly in the mid-range because that's where the turbo really takes off (VGT is not, unfortunately, magic) and they make those insanely high torque figures. They're more torquey than conventionals elsewhere in the range, just less so. The 2.2 R series hyundai engine makes 200hp and 430nm of torque. It isn't expensive, it isn't complicated and it almost never breaks down (the trans blows up first). By way of comparison Toyota's 4.2L conventional 1HD-FTE made 380nm out of the box.
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