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OxMan
May 13, 2006

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MH Knights posted:

I still want a BSAA themed XCOM game. Pretty much all of the game play elements from XCOM could transplant into the RE universe. Even the Enemy Within stuff like cybernetics and genetic enhancement.

Returning to base commander

Lt. Piers BOW special cooldown upgraded.

Captain Redfield has returned from the gym.

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Geight
Aug 7, 2010

Oh, All-Knowing One, behold me!
I've never played the RE5 DLC, but there's some unused dialogue around the :37 mark in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMR6TjqjO_c where Jill mentions Chris hitting it off with some younger chick back at the base. I certainly don't want to be the one to destroy the image of a homosexual Chris though, so we can just assume that unused lines don't count for anything.

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
I can guarantee you Capcom did not want to do that either.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Aren't the Japanese versions (or at least whatever extended universe crap is out there) a little more explicit about Chris being gay as hell?

Backhand posted:

From what I understand, no, they never come out and say that. However, ultra-masculine behavior in Japan is treated as much more of an indication of homosexuality, so even if Chris is never outright stated to be gay, he would fit most of the stereotypes pretty well.

Yeah, it's the latter. The idea behind Chris's physique in RE5 was that he'd been obsessively training after CV for a rematch with Wesker, and had kept up that level of effort even though Wesker was thought to be dead. When they got around to finally animating him, they'd inadvertently created a character who hit pretty much all the criteria for Japanese "bara" porn.

Instead of backing off of that once they were made aware of this, they played up on it with Chris's next few alternate costumes, so now RE has a new weird little fanbase that makes it very difficult to look at the Chris Redfield tag on Tumblr.

Full Battle Rattle posted:

Chris -> Piers

I mean, watch that video with Jessica again. He stops just shy of saying "...Look honey, you're barking up the wrong tree." How many ultra masculine adolescent male power fantasies have you seen physically reject a woman's advances? Even Big Boss ended up having sex with Eva despite being totally gay for Ocelot.

After replaying RE6 a few days ago, I really don't see Chris/Piers as a thing, since Piers spends most of the campaign trying frantically to keep Chris from doing something suicidal. He's the angry commanding officer from an '80s cop movie, but the ranks are reversed and all his authority comes from having more common sense than Chris does.

The scenes in Revelations always struck me as Chris being utterly oblivious to Jessica, both times because he's focused on the job at hand and/or Jill. I've never been a big believer in the idea that turning down a woman for any reason is a rock-solid signifier of homosexuality, because being a man obviously means you're a big meat Gundam for your dong.

Toxsyl
Sep 23, 2012

Somewhere along the line Jill lost a chromosome.


But she kept dat ass.
I think Capcom made Chris look gay on accident and when people noticed, they started playing along with the fans. Plus, Chris being gay sounds fabulous loving funny with the overall RE silliness.

Also is it true for the Remaster HD Turbo Remix that after you kill the Elder Crimson head, Crimson Head Forrest will gently caress off and never appear again?

Geight
Aug 7, 2010

Oh, All-Knowing One, behold me!

Wanderer posted:

Yeah, it's the latter. The idea behind Chris's physique in RE5 was that he'd been obsessively training after CV for a rematch with Wesker, and had kept up that level of effort even though Wesker was thought to be dead. When they got around to finally animating him, they'd inadvertently created a character who hit pretty much all the criteria for Japanese "bara" porn.

Story-wise it's actually supposed to specifically be after he loses Jill in Spencer's European mansion that he starts bulking up, but he's bigger in Revelations and Lost in Nightmares, so he clearly just wanted to get huge regardless.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

Toxsyl posted:

I think Capcom made Chris look gay on accident and when people noticed, they started playing along with the fans. Plus, Chris being gay sounds fabulous loving funny with the overall RE silliness.

Yeah, that's almost certainly the case. I just think it's funny, really, I hope I didn't come off too serious.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Full Battle Rattle posted:

I mean, watch that video with Jessica again. He stops just shy of saying "...Look honey, you're barking up the wrong tree." How many ultra masculine adolescent male power fantasies have you seen physically reject a woman's advances? Even Big Boss ended up having sex with Eva despite being totally gay for Ocelot.

Leon does it all the time in the CGI movies.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Full Battle Rattle posted:

Yeah, that's almost certainly the case. I just think it's funny, really, I hope I didn't come off too serious.

You do bring Chris being gay up an awful lot. Are you testing the waters to reveal your 20-chapter BSAA gay romance novel, LOVE IN THE TIME OF BIOHAZARD?

Toxsyl
Sep 23, 2012

Somewhere along the line Jill lost a chromosome.


But she kept dat ass.

Wanderer posted:

You do bring Chris being gay up an awful lot. Are you testing the waters to reveal your 20-chapter BSAA gay romance novel, LOVE IN THE TIME OF BIOHAZARD?

This better be a real thing or I'll be hella disappointed.

Also Forrest apparently never goes away now.

Big Grunty Secret
Aug 28, 2007

Just one question, though. Is there a way to take off my pants?

Toxsyl posted:

This better be a real thing or I'll be hella disappointed.

Also Forrest apparently never goes away now.

In the original REMake, Forrest disappeared after you entered the Residence and then returned to the Mansion, I think.

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

NotAnArtist posted:

First encounter or second?

First. It's not overly viable on the second encounter since he's much faster now and if you saved everyone, you got to damage him hard quickly or he'll kill your support character. It's good to know on the first encounter though since he walks so slowly.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Toxsyl posted:

I think Capcom made Chris look gay on accident and when people noticed, they started playing along with the fans. Plus, Chris being gay sounds fabulous loving funny with the overall RE silliness.

Dee-Ay from ORC is gay which is pretty neat. "Don't Ask". :3:

Leyburn
Aug 31, 2001

Geight posted:

I've never played the RE5 DLC.

Both RE5 DLCs own, especially with a co-op partner. And the RE5 DLC incarnation of Mercenaries is one of the best.

Solomonic
Jan 3, 2008

INCIPIT SANTA

Honest Thief posted:

Chris still blue balling over Jill. I swear, the day a couple of RE protagonists hook up is the day the franchise dies, all that tension pent up over years...

TBH I like them a lot more as platonic best friends whose relationship is rooted entirely in being really good at killing things and also lacking basic intelligence

e: playing through revelations again

"Jill! Where are you?"

"I don't know. A room, I think."

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

Toxsyl posted:

This better be a real thing or I'll be hella disappointed.

Also Forrest apparently never goes away now.

Just like in the original release, Forest will vanish completely when you return from the Residence. Maybe you ran into a regular Crimson Head?

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

Solomonic posted:

TBH I like them a lot more as platonic best friends whose relationship is rooted entirely in being really good at killing things and also lacking basic intelligence

e: playing through revelations again

"Jill! Where are you?"

"I don't know. A room, I think."

That's basically what it is. Like when Jessica gets all huffy that Chris never paid attention to her, Parker suggests that he's already in love with Jill - but then when they walk off together the first thing Chris tells Jill is that stun grenades work well on the swimming BOWs.

My favorite Revelations line is when Chris says "it's like there's a disco ball in front of my face" when the final boss pulls off his seeing double trick for the first time.

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

Dr. Abysmal posted:

That's basically what it is. Like when Jessica gets all huffy that Chris never paid attention to her, Parker suggests that he's already in love with Jill - but then when they walk off together the first thing Chris tells Jill is that stun grenades work well on the swimming BOWs.

I prefer a kind of compromise – they might sleep together on occasion and are pretty close friends, but ultimately their relationship is more about killing monsters than anything else.

Toxsyl
Sep 23, 2012

Somewhere along the line Jill lost a chromosome.


But she kept dat ass.

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Just like in the original release, Forest will vanish completely when you return from the Residence. Maybe you ran into a regular Crimson Head?

I kept reading he was gone after killing the elder crimson head, but yeah he left after a hunter played grab rear end with me.

Chris has some of the best non Barry lines.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



The thing I always thought was most interesting about the first game (both original and REMake), is that if you play as Chris, it's a bit less obvious that Wesker is the traitor.

There's one memo on the second floor where, when Jill gets it, it mentions 'that guy in black sunglasses'. When you get it in Chris's game, that part of the page is torn off. He doesn't overhear a conversation in the shacks near where Plant 42 is, and his dialogue with Enrico is a lot less obviously 'Wesker did it'. There might be a few other things, but those are the ones I remember. And Lisa knocks him off a ledge to his apparent doom.

I wonder if had I picked Chris first back the first time I played, if it woulda been more 'oh poo poo!' rather than 'makes sense' when you finally find that memo & slideshow that reveals Wesker works for Umbrella.


E: Richard in the original's voice is hilarious. 'This house is too dangerous. It's full of terrible demons. Ouch.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSahA_NWJJw

LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jan 30, 2015

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

LadyPictureShow posted:

The thing I always thought was most interesting about the first game (both original and REMake), is that if you play as Chris, it's a bit less obvious that Wesker is the traitor.

There's one memo on the second floor where, when Jill gets it, it mentions 'that guy in black sunglasses'. When you get it in Chris's game, that part of the page is torn off. He doesn't overhear a conversation in the shacks near where Plant 42 is, and his dialogue with Enrico is a lot less obviously 'Wesker did it'. There might be a few other things, but those are the ones I remember. And Lisa knocks him off a ledge to his apparent doom.

I wonder if had I picked Chris first back the first time I played, if it woulda been more 'oh poo poo!' rather than 'makes sense' when you finally find that memo & slideshow that reveals Wesker works for Umbrella.

I actually think it is the opposite. In the game, Barry actually rips off part of the page so you dont get that part. It's Chris who gets the whole memo.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



blackguy32 posted:

I actually think it is the opposite. In the game, Barry actually rips off part of the page so you dont get that part. It's Chris who gets the whole memo.

Wait, yeah, I've got the memo part backwards. You're right.

VVV Maybe that's what I was thinking of. I'd always get the Barry cutscene.

LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jan 30, 2015

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

blackguy32 posted:

I actually think it is the opposite. In the game, Barry actually rips off part of the page so you dont get that part. It's Chris who gets the whole memo.

Interestingly enough, if you get to that room as quick as possible (as Jill), you get an extra cutscene with Barry where he gives the file to Jill and the whole thing is there, because she interrupted him from tearing it.

One thing that's really under appreciated about the earlier games in the series is all the little variations you can get in terms of cutscenes and events. RE3 in particular had a crazy amount of different paths you could take depending on what order you visited locations. In addition, a lot of items were random in that game – sometimes you'd get the magnum in the police station, other times you'd find a grenade launcher.

I wish they would go back to stuff like that – nowadays pretty much every person's experience of RE4/5/etc will play out the exact same way because they're so linear. A more open design has so many more possibilities.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo
I honestly think people just aren't aware of the large variety of branching paths.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Oh god now I'm imagining an Alpha Protocol style version of Resident Evil.

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I honestly think people just aren't aware of the large variety of branching paths.

It would be kind of cool if you could unlock something like the story map in Virtue's Last Reward, where you can see every possible choice that you can make. Something like this, but in game:

http://www.danbirlew.com/re3flow/

Geight
Aug 7, 2010

Oh, All-Knowing One, behold me!

Leyburn posted:

Both RE5 DLCs own, especially with a co-op partner. And the RE5 DLC incarnation of Mercenaries is one of the best.

I believe you, but Capcom didn't deign the PC worthy of getting the DLC. :sigh:

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Smirking_Serpent posted:

It would be kind of cool if you could unlock something like the story map in Virtue's Last Reward, where you can see every possible choice that you can make. Something like this, but in game:

http://www.danbirlew.com/re3flow/

I wish more games did this, very few do and yet it's always welcome.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Neo Rasa posted:

I wish more games did this, very few do and yet it's always welcome.

It would probably be ultimately pointless since most people are going to play through once and never pick it up again and its probably a lot of work for content that people will never see.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

blackguy32 posted:

It would probably be ultimately pointless since most people are going to play through once and never pick it up again and its probably a lot of work for content that people will never see.

It could just be the chapter select screen for the game, like it doesn't have to be illustrated it just have a list of "what routes were completed."

Agrias120
Jun 27, 2002

I will burn my dread.

Neo Rasa posted:

It could just be the chapter select screen for the game, like it doesn't have to be illustrated it just have a list of "what routes were completed."

Yeah, I'd love just a list of "quicksaves" before I locked myself out of branches in a playthrough so that I could easily go back after beating the game and see variations on cutscenes.

John Luebke
Jun 1, 2011

Smirking_Serpent posted:

It would be kind of cool if you could unlock something like the story map in Virtue's Last Reward, where you can see every possible choice that you can make. Something like this, but in game:

http://www.danbirlew.com/re3flow/

There's one of these for RE1 as well. Just, yeah, not in-game obviously.

Chris:

http://i.imgur.com/7XaOaWA.png

Jill:

http://i.imgur.com/G6kAH1U.png

This is only for the original though, the REmake has different requirements for some events.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


poptart_fairy posted:

Oh god now I'm imagining an Alpha Protocol style version of Resident Evil.

A super clunky mediocre RPG that goons can't stop praising?

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

Geight posted:

I believe you, but Capcom didn't deign the PC worthy of getting the DLC. :sigh:

I'm holding out for a vain hope that they'll be bundled with RE 5 when they convert the game to Steamworks but, deep down I know that won't happen.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


So is it possible to mod the gamecube soundtrack back into the HD Remaster yet?

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

My favorite rendition:

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jan 30, 2015

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

I think they ripped that from the Stallone Judge Dredd.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
True story: My friend actually became interested in Resident Evil because he saw a dude with a huge rear end gun on the cover and decided to get it.

I on the other hand got interested when I saw that my dad had bought RE2, and it was the only game that remotely looked interesting to me

Good Lord Fisher!
Jul 14, 2006

Groovy!

Lurdiak posted:

So is it possible to mod the gamecube soundtrack back into the HD Remaster yet?

It already has the GCN soundtrack.. doesn't it? :confused: I played the GCN version a few months back and I could swear it's the same soundtrack..

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blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Good Lord Fisher! posted:

It already has the GCN soundtrack.. doesn't it? :confused: I played the GCN version a few months back and I could swear it's the same soundtrack..

Some tracks are sped up like the Guardhouse and the Lab.

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