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I'm kind of confused here because you said you thought I made a persuasive case but then you didn't back it up with a vote because I am bullying Foolster? Hey Foolster if I have made you uncomfortable at any point during this game then I am actually very sorry. New players are great and you seem nice even if you rolled scum, I hope you stick around. Okay, Rurea, will you vote Foolster now?
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Also somber's case on foolster is good and persuasive.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:07
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wait wait oh man is this... somber-fear?
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Feb 24, 2015 23:07
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i never knew i wanted this until right now, but now i don't know how i could live without it
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Feb 24, 2015 23:08
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Somberbrero posted:I'm kind of confused here because you said you thought I made a persuasive case but then you didn't back it up with a vote because I am bullying Foolster? ##vote Foolster41
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Feb 24, 2015 23:08
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when are you going to change your disgusting av because it's grossing me out
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Feb 24, 2015 23:08
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Kumbamontu posted:when are you going to change your disgusting av because it's grossing me out
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Feb 24, 2015 23:09
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oh hey welcome to the party, maybe you could grace us with some thoughts
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Feb 24, 2015 23:10
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Kumbamontu posted:when are you going to change your disgusting av because it's grossing me out ask Yeezus. and I need to liberate the mouse crew first
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Feb 24, 2015 23:10
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Good Sir posted:Because I presented one argument for someone being scummy, and in the same post played the devil's advocate and said "Although I could be incorrect for these reasons...", you think that is scummy of me. This response is giving me some townie vibes~ I don't think Good Sir was intentionally being hedgey
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Feb 24, 2015 23:13
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Kumbamontu posted:oh hey welcome to the party, maybe you could grace us with some thoughts ive been kinda skimming the thread, but im more focussing on the other game , i'll actually make a good post when that game's day ends
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Feb 24, 2015 23:14
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Rurea posted:This response is giving me some townie vibes~ Yeah I may be reading too much into it but the VT thing is hard to overlook. To be fair it could be awkward newbieness, but ehh
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Feb 24, 2015 23:15
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Somberbrero posted:awkward! forced content, like commenting on the noid. "no lynch sure sounds bad unless it isn't haha let me never talk about why." Like I said I was catching up to a bunch of posts. I said it sounds bad bit I'm willing to hear counter-arguments since I hadn't played in years. I didn't say it isn't in any way. Big difference! You're misrepresenting what I said! Somberbrero posted:'who knows what powers besides the scum have' is an incredibly weird thing to mention and it's not motivated by town perspective Huh? Yeah, cautioning the town that the scum might have extra powers in a power-heavy game sure sounds scummy! (Yes, that's sarcasm). Also, notice the context of this is arguing against a no-lynch. Something a majority have said is a bad idea, and which you yourself said is a bad idea. Somberbrero posted:forced content! Foolster has nothing important to say here. in fact he actively reduces the amount of useful content by bringing up the no-lunch discussion again. Huh? People were Still talking about it Literally the last non-mod post before mine mentioned it. Honestly, there wasn't a lot to talk about anyway (I have a feeling if I hadn't posted you'd accuse me of lurking!), most of the conversion up to that point had been about no-lynch and joke stuff (ignoring people). This was page 4. Somberbrero posted:huge overreaction to a single vote that is probably the worst OMGUS I've ever seen. Foolster doesn't even vote me here, he uses a finger of shame. Maybe I over-reacted, but I guess I was getting annoyed. I saw your joke "vote until dead" (that again, was repeated, so I didn't see it as a joke) and then jumping onto me with a vague vote and quote with no commentary. Yes, I didn't even vote you because honestly, you seemed too erratic to be scum, thus why I didn't vote. IDK, I keep going back and forth in my mind about you. Also you accuse me of over-reacting, but I think over-reacting would have been to vote you and insist you die. I didn't do that, because despite your pushing for my lynching, I'm still willing to consider you might be a confused town. I'm interested in finding scum, and hearing clear explanations of reasons for accusations, not back-biting against people who accuse me.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:17
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Kumbamontu posted:The point you seem to be missing, Good Sir, is that you hedged your read on someone because you thought they could be VT in a role madness game. That is the part that seems made up, as if you were trying very hard to come up with a reason to hedge your bet and forgot the game was role madness. That's the scummy part. Analyzing what happened and coming to the conclusion that "eh, maybe this doesn't make sense" is actively engaging with the content of the thread; seemingly pretending to play Devil's advocate with a reason that doesn't make sense from the get go a different beast altogether. The statement in question: Good Sir posted:Also unrelated to quotes above I would like to note: I was simply used to analyzing with the assumption that there is always vanilla town. You are voting me for absurd reasons and Tastee jumped on the bandwagon offly quick while explaining that he has too much of a real life to spend as much time on mafia as the rest of us . edit - ugh sorry - result of posting from mobile phone Good Sir fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 23:23
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Rurea posted:This line of reasoning is not helpful and as Somber pointed out, a smart scumteam would realize this. The wine in front of me. mr.capps posted:foolster is scum but its against the law for me to kill him Elaborate?
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Feb 24, 2015 23:27
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Met posted:Elaborate? He's making a joke about the fact that I'm his GM in a RPG I'm running.
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Feb 24, 2015 23:28
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Good Post from Good Sir ##unvote
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Feb 24, 2015 23:31
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Met posted:The wine in front of me. Yeah yeah yeah I see your point
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Feb 24, 2015 23:31
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I will not vote Good Sir, that guy seems real to me. I will ##vote foolster however, I find that case to be persuasive. I still think Met is also a good vote. Nothing he has posted today feels any more involved than what he was doing yesterday and I find him to be very fake.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:05
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Hal Incandenza posted:I still think Met is also a good vote. Nothing he has posted today feels any more involved than what he was doing yesterday and I find him to be very fake. Should I remind you of this once the game is over so you remember to alter your future reads?
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Feb 25, 2015 00:07
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Met posted:Should I remind you of this once the game is over so you remember to alter your future reads? Perhaps?
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Feb 25, 2015 00:09
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Hey Met your vote is dumb because this is an extraordinarily quiet game and you've ignored my casework despite voting me due to a lack of posting. Fool we can go back and forth but no one besides us is going to care. If you want me to not vote you then you should claim something crazy. Sorry if you're town.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:09
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Met, why exactly do you think Somber is scum? I can't find any indication of that in your posting, just that you really want to vote him. I guess you have a little more reasoning behind Kumba, but there isn't much there either.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:11
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Somberbrero posted:Hey Met your vote is dumb because this is an extraordinarily quiet game and you've ignored my casework despite voting me due to a lack of posting. I have a scum read on you and Hal, so I'm not inclined to trust when you two are voting for the same person with only three votes on that target. I'd be happy to change my opinion if it seems reasonable but I'm not sure you will accomplish that by constantly insulting my decisions.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:14
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Hal Incandenza posted:Met, why exactly do you think Somber is scum? I can't find any indication of that in your posting, just that you really want to vote him. I guess you have a little more reasoning behind Kumba, but there isn't much there either. I'll get back to you in a little. Need another thread re-read.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:15
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Met posted:I'll get back to you in a little. Need another thread re-read. Oh so you really don't know either, got it. Also scum read on me? Why, because I want to vote you? Maybe you can put that into your reread analysis too, thanks.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:16
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Hal Incandenza posted:Oh so you really don't know either, got it. I memorize all posts of the game, yep. 
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Feb 25, 2015 00:18
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Met posted:I memorize all posts of the game, yep. That's a lot different than just having some general idea of why you are pushing someone very hard that you have been pushing for days. I don't think it's too much for you to have some idea of the impetus for your main case.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:20
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I hope people are at least considering my post above. Somber pretty clearly misrepresented what I said ("no lynch sure sounds bad unless it isn't haha let me never talk about why."), is blowing some things out of proportion (brining up no-lynch which was discussed literally in the previous post, and complaining I'm not talking about much on page 4, when there hasn't been much discussion).
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Feb 25, 2015 00:22
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I have notes jotted down, I don't have links to posts to help the casing. You're quite toxic in your tone. It's not conducive to townie play.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:22
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Met posted:I have notes jotted down, I don't have links to posts to help the casing. ME? I'm like the nicest guy in mafia. I will patiently await the details though.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:24
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Foolster41 posted:I hope people are at least considering my post above. Somber pretty clearly misrepresented what I said ("no lynch sure sounds bad unless it isn't haha let me never talk about why."), is blowing some things out of proportion (brining up no-lynch which was discussed literally in the previous post, and complaining I'm not talking about much on page 4, when there hasn't been much discussion). I like this post. ##unvote
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Feb 25, 2015 00:26
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Met posted:I have a scum read on you and Hal, so I'm not inclined to trust when you two are voting for the same person with only three votes on that target. I'd be happy to change my opinion if it seems reasonable but I'm not sure you will accomplish that by constantly insulting my decisions. this scum read on Hal comes out of nowhere immediately after Hal reiterates he has a scum read on Met Met has not mentioned Hal before this post Met posted:I have notes jotted down, I don't have links to posts to help the casing. post your notes then, or are you too busy trying to remember what you were trying to pretend to think?
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Feb 25, 2015 00:33
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Met posted:Should I remind you of this once the game is over so you remember to alter your future reads? Met posted:I memorize all posts of the game, yep.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:33
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Hal Incandenza posted:I like this post. ##unvote Hal be honest, have you actually read foolster? In no way could that possibly be construed as misrepresentation. I'm phone posting but I guess I'll do this again tomorrow!
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Feb 25, 2015 00:43
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Kumbamontu posted:post your notes then, or are you too busy trying to remember what you were trying to pretend to think? Kay? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A4lwETNBDJKBk0fVqnWWMhae9xC59hBJRTa9AvFA0uo/edit#gid=0 They aren't great. Need to find posts to back up things, but I agree and disagree with notes more as I reread things. Will be reworking them. As a preliminary, I agree my opinion of Somber was snowballed from "This guy feels like scum" and I never really got out of that mindset for some reason until it turned into an assumption. We'll see though, attempting to look at the game with fresh eyes. Kumbamontu posted:post your notes then, or are you too busy trying to remember what you were trying to pretend to think? What loving good does this serve, Kumba? You're being a twit. This is the kind of toxicity that we have too much of.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:46
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Met posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A4lwETNBDJKBk0fVqnWWMhae9xC59hBJRTa9AvFA0uo/edit#gid=0 Actually not sure if that will work. I just copied the URL rather than getting a sharable link created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A4lwETNBDJKBk0fVqnWWMhae9xC59hBJRTa9AvFA0uo/edit?usp=sharing
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Feb 25, 2015 00:47
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It's a relevant point and blowing up under a modicum of pressure is scummy.
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Feb 25, 2015 00:49
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Somberbrero posted:Hal be honest, have you actually read foolster? In no way could that possibly be construed as misrepresentation. I have, he's awkward for sure. However, even if you disagree with his point about your case I can't read the post he made there and see a new scum player in it.
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Somberbrero posted:Hal be honest, have you actually read foolster? In no way could that possibly be construed as misrepresentation. Let's look back. What I said: "No lynch on day one? That sounds like a terrible idea, but I'm willing to hear why you think this is a good idea. I admit, I'm pretty rusty at Mafia." You represented as: "no lynch sure sounds bad unless it isn't haha let me never talk about why." Yeah, there's no way that could be construed as misrepresentation! (sarc) I didn't say I had a reason why I thought no-lynch might not be bad, and then hold back a reason. I said I was willing to listen to people who tell me I'm wrong. I don't even understand how this is hard to understand. Doubling down on misrepresentation is suspicious.
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