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Nintendo Kid posted:What makes you think redistricting committees in general prevent gerrymandering? A whole bunch of states have them and they just reinforce gerrymandering, even.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Arizona's does its job. Very few states use bi-partisan redistricting commissions to draw the lines without legislative intervention...which is what this case is about. Yeah the thing is Idaho and Montana for example also have them and don't do particularly great. And New Jersey has two different ones, for US Rep seats and state legislature sets respectively, and there's a lot of blatant gerrymander fuckery there as well. And then Arkansas, Pennsylvania, and Ohio are examples of states that only have the commissions for state legislature seats, and produce some pretty drat shady results.
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Mar 4, 2015 06:36
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how do you even go about gerrymandering in Montana
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Mar 4, 2015 06:38
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeah the thing is Idaho and Montana for example also have them and don't do particularly great. And New Jersey has two different ones, for US Rep seats and state legislature sets respectively, and there's a lot of blatant gerrymander fuckery there as well. PupsOfWar posted:how do you even go about gerrymandering in Montana  This is also the only thing that Arizona is a model for, and you should probably ignore 99% of what Arizona does. This just happened to be a great idea back in 2000. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 06:43
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't the Snowden leaks confirm that the NSA was lying to and/or bypassing both FISA courts and Congressional oversight? No they were getting legitimate FISC orders every 90 days for the major carriers, and the intelligence committees were being briefed. I've seen no public evidence that anyone in an oversight role didn't know what was going on.
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Mar 4, 2015 06:47
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mostly I'm confused in that I don't know where Montana liberals are located, physically, even though I know they exist based on the state's electoral history in my head it's just welp, District 6 can have some ranches and a town, District 7 can have these other ranches, a town, and the side of a mountain
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Mar 4, 2015 06:48
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PupsOfWar posted:mostly I'm confused in that I don't know where Montana liberals are located, physically, even though I know they exist based on the state's electoral history
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Mar 4, 2015 06:50
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PupsOfWar posted:how do you even go about gerrymandering in Montana Montana weirdly enough has large college towns and a Coal Country. I think of them as the northwest's West Virginia.
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Mar 4, 2015 07:21
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Hasters posted:No they were getting legitimate FISC orders every 90 days for the major carriers, and the intelligence committees were being briefed. I've seen no public evidence that anyone in an oversight role didn't know what was going on. Perpetual blanket 90 day dragnets seems fine to you?
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Mar 4, 2015 07:57
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Spoke Lee posted:Perpetual blanket 90 day dragnets seems fine to you? Just because its immoral and threatens the republic doesn't mean its not legal.
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Mar 4, 2015 08:04
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PupsOfWar posted:eat the midwest, Minnesota!
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Mar 4, 2015 08:04
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Trabisnikof posted:Just because its immoral and threatens the republic doesn't mean its not legal. It should be telling that Snowden still hasn't been formally charged with anything as far as I'm aware, they just want to detain him for reasons.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Am I misunderstanding this case or would setups like California be untouched by the ruling unless 5 justices want to be broad assholes? As others have alluded, California's implementation in particular would get struck down in short order since it's basically the same issue (taking redistricting away from the legislature entirely). All the other (less-effective) redistricting commissions would be upheld for now since the legislatures of the states in questions explicitly played a role in their creation and/or get effective veto power over the redistricting commissions' recommendations. Basically, if it goes the way it's expected to go, SCOTUS will be effectively ruling that you literally cannot constitutionally cut your elected representatives (and the associated party machinery) out of the loop when it comes to (federal) redistricting. This probably wouldn't restrict the use of independent commissions for redistricting of state legislature seats, if the federal redistricting bits were construed by the courts as a severable clause of the whole proposition/initiative. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 09:44
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RuanGacho posted:It should be telling that Snowden still hasn't been formally charged with anything as far as I'm aware, they just want to detain him for reasons. Charging him now would be kind of counterproductive - they can't reach him to arrest him, and open charges would make it even less likely he'd return. If he was still in the U.S., he'd have been charged by now.
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Hasters posted:No they were getting legitimate FISC orders every 90 days for the major carriers, and the intelligence committees were being briefed. I've seen no public evidence that anyone in an oversight role didn't know what was going on. Really? Because according to a member of the State Department who left last year: John Napier Tye posted:Even after all the reforms President Obama has announced, some intelligence practices remain so secret, even from members of Congress, that there is no opportunity for our democracy to change them. And according to members of Congress: Alan Grayson posted:Despite being a member of Congress possessing security clearance, I've learned far more about government spying on me and my fellow citizens from reading media reports than I have from ‘intelligence’ briefings... Supporters of the NSA’s vast ubiquitous domestic spying operation assure the public that members of Congress can be briefed on these activities whenever they want. Senator Saxby Chambliss [R-Georgia] says all a member of Congress needs to do is ask for information, and he'll get it. Well I did ask, and the House Intelligence Committee said ‘no,’ repeatedly. And virtually every other member not on the Intelligence Committee gets the same treatment. Justin Amash posted:You don't have any idea what kind of things are going on, so you have to start just spitting off random questions. Does the government have a moon base? Does the government have a talking bear? Does the government have a cyborg army? If you don't know what kind of things the government might have, you just have to guess and it becomes a totally ridiculous game of twenty questions." And according to the former Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: John D. Rockefeller posted:Don’t you understand the way Intelligence works? Do you think that because I’m Chairman of the Intelligence Committee that I just say I want it, and they give it to me? They control it. All of it. ALL of it. ALL THE TIME. I only get - and my committee only gets - what they WANT to give me. And according to a current member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: Ron Wyden posted:When the FBI says it conducts a substantial number of searches and it has no idea of what the number is, it shows how flawed this system is and the consequences of inadequate oversight. This huge gap in oversight is a problem now, and will only grow as global communications systems become more interconnected. The findings transmitted to me raise questions about whether the FBI is exercising any internal controls over the use of backdoor searches including who and how many government employees can access the personal data of individual Americans. And according to FISC: Declassified FISC memorandum opinion posted:The Court is troubled that the government's revelations regarding NSA's acquisition of Internet transactions mark the third instance in less than three years in which the government has disclosed a substantial misrepresentation regarding the scope of a major collection program... Contrary to the government's repeated assurances, NSA has been repeatedly running queries of the metadata using querying terms that did not meet the standard for querying. The Court concluded that this requirement had been "so frequently and systemically violated that it can fairly be said that this critical element of the overall… regime has never functioned effectively." Claiming that the oversight committees are being briefed is disingenuous; claiming that the oversight is working is laughable.
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Ann Romney has a book coming out in time for graduation season titled Whatever You Choose to Be.quote:For today's twenty-somethings the possibilities and opportunities are exhilarating, limitless and sometimes confusing with no clear-cut paths for the major life choices one must make after college graduation. In this new gift book, inspired by a commencement speech she gave in 2014, the former First Lady of Massachusetts and wife of former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Ann Romney puts forth eight key life lessons, the pieces of advice she wishes someone had given her when she graduated college. The eight life lessons are Ann Romney's candid and inspirational words of wisdom with stories and examples gathered from her life's journey through adversity and success with windows of insight from the many people who have inspired, encouraged and influenced her in her public and private life. Surprisingly, her commencement speech detailed eight lessons she learned for getting ahead in life, which is seven more than you'd expect considering her path to "getting ahead" involved "step 1: marry the son of a former Governor and auto industry executive".
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Mar 4, 2015 14:49
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Joementum posted:Whatever You Choose to Be.  I knew I shouldn't have given Ben Carson my HBOGo password.
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Tobermory posted:Really? Because according to a member of the State Department who left last year: Plus, you know, the time James Clapper committed perjury before Congress. There's a right side and a wrong side of this debate and Snowden and Greenwald are on the right side.
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The fact that US intelligence doesn't consider itself subject to our democracy is bad, but honestly there's a built-in solution to this, which is to cease funding the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. Yes that's insane and it will never happen, but it is a power Congressmen have, and a card they can threaten to play. They can also decrease funding of these organizations until they can no longer afford to spy on every single American citizen. So yeah, not really interested in listening to Congressmen whining about a problem they have full control over.
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zoux posted:
Also from Ben Carson yesterday we heard how veterans dying is a gift from God because it shows the rest of us how horrible state funded health care is Guy is really torching his reputation throwing out this poo poo and I'm not sure what for. He won't be the nominee, and the grifter money isn't that good compared to what he was already seeing
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Mar 4, 2015 16:44
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Fried Chicken posted:Also from Ben Carson yesterday we heard how veterans dying is a gift from God because it shows the rest of us how horrible state funded health care is More people know who he is than know you. Fame is a helluva drug.
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Fried Chicken posted:Also from Ben Carson yesterday we heard how veterans dying is a gift from God because it shows the rest of us how horrible state funded health care is He had a good reputation to begin with?
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Fried Chicken posted:Also from Ben Carson yesterday we heard how veterans dying is a gift from God because it shows the rest of us how horrible state funded health care is "ben carson book": 
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Mar 4, 2015 17:04
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Well, halfway in it sounds like Kennedy is on the side of the challengers in King.
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CommieGIR posted:He had a good reputation to begin with? He was a pediatric brain surgeon who ran charities and was known for being a come from behind success and generous man. Now he's known as an evolution denying homophobic war mongering healthcare denying media whore.
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Mar 4, 2015 17:17
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You can bypass the need for redistricting commissions if you have Single Transferable Vote, lets you keep ridings & has the advantage of Mixed Member Proportional.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/04/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-more-about-us-her-ethicsquote:Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not use a government email account during her time in the administration. She didn’t have to, but she should have! The first part of that sentence should be the end of any potential scandal discussion; the second part should be the beginning of our discussion of how we feel about public records. But since we live in a far more useless world, we’re going to wind up doing this backwards. as always, death to america
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Mar 4, 2015 17:29
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Possibly dumb question: If Hillary didn't have a government email address at all, and claims to have only passed nonclassified information through her private email, what did she use when she did have to handle classified info?
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Mar 4, 2015 17:33
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Bill Clinton as personal message boy.
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haveblue posted:Possibly dumb question: If Hillary didn't have a government email address at all, and claims to have only passed nonclassified information through her private email, what did she use when she did have to handle classified info? Have someone else do it using her private server. Where's the metadata, Hillary?
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DemeaninDemon posted:Bill Clinton as personal message boy. 
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haveblue posted:Possibly dumb question: If Hillary didn't have a government email address at all, and claims to have only passed nonclassified information through her private email, what did she use when she did have to handle classified info? SIPRnet The existence of siprnet means that only the most mundane of emails would go through her personal account.
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How wrong is it that I sincerely hope that PPACA is struck down for red states and not for blue (state exchange) states? I mean, sure, there's plenty of poor people with children who have done nothing wrong who will suffer greatly, but goddamn will my schadenfreude button be pushed.
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Von Sloneker posted:Don't think this little transgression went unnoticed! We demand Total Obedience! Dissent will be met with Death, or at least Incessant Bitching! Oh hey, a question about the like 70 attempts to repeal OBAMAcare- did the GOP ever propose a serious viable alternative that wasn't a big poster with the words "Our Plan: Better than Obama's!"?
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Radbot posted:How wrong is it that I sincerely hope that PPACA is struck down for red states and not for blue (state exchange) states? I mean, sure, there's plenty of poor people with children who have done nothing wrong who will suffer greatly, but goddamn will my schadenfreude button be pushed. incredibly wrong what the gently caress is wrong with you
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Monkey Fracas posted:We demand Total Obedience! Dissent will be met with Death, or at least Incessant Bitching! Tort reform and freedom.
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Radbot posted:How wrong is it that I sincerely hope that PPACA is struck down for red states and not for blue (state exchange) states? I mean, sure, there's plenty of poor people with children who have done nothing wrong who will suffer greatly, but goddamn will my schadenfreude button be pushed. I'm glad the possible suffering of my family gets you going. Seriously, gently caress you.
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hobbesmaster posted:SIPRnet You mean the network Clinton had DoS shut down their use of: http://swampland.time.com/2010/11/29/state-pulls-the-plug-on-siprnet/
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Radbot posted:How wrong is it that I sincerely hope that PPACA is struck down for red states and not for blue (state exchange) states? I mean, sure, there's plenty of poor people with children who have done nothing wrong who will suffer greatly, but goddamn will my schadenfreude button be pushed.
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