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A nuclear armed Iran is no more dangerous than a nuclear armed Israel. If we should be bombing one we should be bombing the other.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If they refuse to, then we cannot guarantee Iranian lives will continue to benefit from American protection against the consequences of Iranian policy. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:44
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-slater-jackson-county-sheriff-slurquote:A sheriff's deputy in Jackson County, Mississippi, was fired last week after he was allegedly recorded saying that he gets "paid to beat up n-----s," the Clarion-Ledger newspaper reported Friday. An artist's depiction of the scene: 
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Mar 9, 2015 22:48
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:That was the greatest dumb idea. Repeated nuking to get to orbit, and since it is easier to get to orbit the closer you are to the equator it really translates to "Let's just repeatedly nuke parts of Africa to send white people to Mars!" Bonus points that owing to colonial possessions and geopolitical significance and mineral wealth, the most likely place would be nuking the Democratic Republic of the Congo, aka the former Belgian Congo. My god... Newt's plan now makes sense.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:51
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Gravel Gravy posted:Are US marines actively protecting Iran? No, but they are a mad dog that the US fosters.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:52
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
Here's a photo essay: http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/10/14/nafise_motlaq_photographs_fathers_and_daughters_in_iran.html Also look up Salon's article in partying in the Iranian Islamic Republic.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:55
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D1Sergo posted:Whew, I'm glad that the difference between peace and nuclear destruction is "a good deal".
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Mar 9, 2015 23:00
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UV_Catastrophe posted:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-slater-jackson-county-sheriff-slur is....is that cover real?!?!
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Mar 9, 2015 23:08
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Shageletic posted:is....is that cover real?!?! Yes, and it's a pretty close trace of the original GTA V poster
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Mar 9, 2015 23:09
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The 3D printed gun never fails to amuse 
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Mar 9, 2015 23:13
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Shageletic posted:is....is that cover real?!?! http://reason.com/issues/june-2014 
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Mar 9, 2015 23:18
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:This sentence is an utter masterpiece. In one hand, America holds the pen of Congress. In the other, it holds the world's greatest military. Do not make Congress drop the pen. I repeat: Do not make Congress drop the pen.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:25
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My Imaginary GF posted:In one hand, America holds the pen of Congress. In the other, it holds the world's greatest military. Do not make Congress drop the pen. I repeat: Do not make Congress drop the pen.  Would have the same result too! Explosions! Edit: Forgetting which thread I'm in... Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 23:27
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Like congress would ever declare war again. I mean, it's not like congress would have ever even declared war on the Soviets.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:29
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Fried Chicken posted:Repeated nuking to get to orbit, and since it is easier to get to orbit the closer you are to the equator it really translates to "Let's just repeatedly nuke parts of Africa to send white people to Mars!"
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Mar 9, 2015 23:33
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Trabisnikof posted:Like congress would ever declare war again. War? What is this war you speak of? America doesn't go to war, it authorizes the use of military force against terrorists and "associated forces"  World War 3 will be called "Global Police Action 1", or "The Great Police Action".
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Mar 9, 2015 23:35
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site posted:Did it really require nukes to get into orbit? I thought those were for after you're already in space? Oh come on, nothing wrong with a few hundred millisieverts!
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Mar 9, 2015 23:36
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site posted:Did it really require nukes to get into orbit? I thought those were for after you're already in space? Getting enough weight to orbit is the hard part. It's not nearly as hard once you're there.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:38
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evilweasel posted:Getting enough weight to orbit is the hard part. It's not nearly as hard once you're there.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:48
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So what the hell happens now with the Iranian sedition scandal?
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Mar 9, 2015 23:55
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Grouchio posted:So what the hell happens now with the Iranian sedition scandal? Absolutely nothing of consequence.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:56
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paranoid randroid posted:Absolutely nothing of consequence. This is such a strange day.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:59
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My Imaginary GF posted:In one hand, America holds the pen of Congress. In the other, it holds the world's greatest military. Do not make Congress drop the pen. I repeat: Do not make Congress drop the pen. It's way more fun when you're the boilerplate-neoliberal stand in for the 'very serious people', you gotta dial it back dude.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:59
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evilweasel posted:Getting enough weight to orbit is the hard part. It's not nearly as hard once you're there. In the middle of the 20th century I gather they didn't really think that kind of poo poo through.
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Mar 10, 2015 00:00
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:If someone decided to build a massive fuckoff spaceship they'd probably just send it up there in parts and build it in orbit nowadays. Kinda like an Ikea spaceship. Sure, but you're still paying to get a shitload of weight into space which Is Not Cheap.
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Mar 10, 2015 00:08
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Hey, Ferguson is in the news again:quote:The Missouri Supreme Court announced Monday that it will take the "extraordinary action" of reassigning all Ferguson municipal court cases to the circuit court, starting next week. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...f93972d91e.html
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Mar 10, 2015 00:45
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Judge found to be involved in massive, widespread corruption? Better just let him resign from that bench but keep his other jobs. Charge him with a crime? Don't be absurd.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:03
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Evil Fluffy posted:Judge found to be involved in massive, widespread corruption? Better just let him resign from that bench but keep his other jobs. Charge him with a crime? Don't be absurd. Worse than that, he feels like he did nothing wrong and he's only resigning because "regardless of their accuracy" the media and DOJ report made him out to be the horrible person that he is.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:06
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I'm not surprised considering that Missouri also built that Pruitt Igoe complex.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:24
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Does the Rep. Justin Harris adoptee clusterfuck stuff go here? Because goddamn, nothing says great foster home like a press conference to tell every what a bunch of hosed up shits your abandoned adopted children are.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:25
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I don't even know if the US military leadership has any real idea about how to execute a conventional war anymore. This is an honest ignorance; the US hasn't been involved in a conventional war since Korea (unless I'm missing one). Interestingly enough the major problem with long range planning in the US military is that it's almost solely focused on conventional war. Part of the reason we've struggled so mightily with Afghanistan and Iraq is because the military actively forgot every lesson learned from Vietnam and then refused to allocated any resources or future planning for asymmetric conflicts. This is actually a point that Gates talks about in depth in his book "Duty". He took over in the final two years of the Bush presidency and was appalled that the military planners refused to adjust for the current conflicts being fought. They were 100% focused on spending and strategic development for fighting Russia, China, Iran in a big conventional setting. Gates had to make MRAPs a personal pet project in order to get them funded and shipped to the forces in response to IED use because the military bureaucracy just loving refused to acknowledge that we haven't fought a straight conventional war in ages and allocating even a paltry sum to maintain readiness for asymmetric conflicts is anathema. I just finished that book and while relatively bland, reading about the goddamn DoD bureaucracy is infuriating.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:40
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Interestingly enough the major problem with long range planning in the US military is that it's almost solely focused on conventional war. Part of the reason we've struggled so mightily with Afghanistan and Iraq is because the military actively forgot every lesson learned from Vietnam and then refused to allocated any resources or future planning for asymmetric conflicts. This is actually a point that Gates talks about in depth in his book "Duty". He took over in the final two years of the Bush presidency and was appalled that the military planners refused to adjust for the current conflicts being fought. They were 100% focused on spending and strategic development for fighting Russia, China, Iran in a big conventional setting. Gates had to make MRAPs a personal pet project in order to get them funded and shipped to the forces in response to IED use because the military bureaucracy just loving refused to acknowledge that we haven't fought a straight conventional war in ages and allocating even a paltry sum to maintain readiness for asymmetric conflicts is anathema.
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Mar 10, 2015 02:04
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I forget who was looking for things to read on Iran, but give "All the Shah's Men" a look. It's a history, but it certainly sets the stage for the modern shitshow we have.
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Mar 10, 2015 02:06
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Grouchio posted:So what the hell happens now with the Iranian sedition scandal? That superslam the Iranian foreign minister put on the entire Senate GOP was pretty great. That's gotta sting a lot and just makes them look even more crazy to anyone paying attention.  Are voters actually going to remember this, though? Probably not. However, just imagine for a moment if kind of thing happened under a Democrat-led congress. There would be hysterical calls for public executions and a new Committee on Un-American Activities.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Yep that's what we need, a bigger vacuum for ISIS to operate in, another endless military conflict, and proof positive to pariah states that the US can't be trusted in its diplomatic dealings. And all while North Korea stands, proving to every tin pot dictator in the world that the only way to get the United States to rule out military action is to acquire nuclear weapons. Yes, that would certainly be a positive outcome to a breakdown in negotiations to stem the spread of nuclear weapons.
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Mar 10, 2015 02:18
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UV_Catastrophe posted:The synergy between the right-wing in America and religious extremists in the mid east is pretty amazing. It is amazing. And while all this is happening, both sides benefit at the almost universal detriment of the poor and those who desire peace. I mean, you'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to imagine that both sides were conscious of being each other's constant supports, and were aware that the constant ramping-up of aggression between the two was the only thing maintaining their ability to keep their constituents poor and enraged. Can you imagine the terrible impact peace would have on the US arms industry? Or on ISIS recruitment numbers? But of course, we must keep fighting or the other guy wins. And what would we spend our trillions on if we didn't have foreign wars? loving infrastructure? No, any strategy that ENDED the existence of the other ideology, ESPECIALLY if it were through peaceful or humanitarian means would permanently shut down the flow of easy money, so of course the GOP is writing personal letters to Iran to keep the tension up. It still continues to amaze me that this forum cannot see any similarities between the way the GOP maintains mutually beneficial tension with Mid-east religious extremists, and how they do the same with the Democratic party in America. Both groups only survive BECAUSE of endless war without solutions, and we, the same disprivileged group in each case, have completely bought the same line of bullshit every time: no third way exists, so keep us both in power lest something awful happens.
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PhilippAchtel posted:And all while North Korea stands, proving to every tin pot dictator in the world that the only way to get the United States to rule out military action is to acquire nuclear weapons. Yes, that would certainly be a positive outcome to a breakdown in negotiations to stem the spread of nuclear weapons. Lol, no. You're aware they also weren't touched before they got a purported nuke in 2006, right? And no one takes their program seriously because their only delivery method is road transport?
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Mar 10, 2015 02:31
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Quidam Viator posted:It still continues to amaze me that this forum cannot see any similarities between the way the GOP maintains mutually beneficial tension with Mid-east religious extremists, and how they do the same with the Democratic party in America. Both groups only survive BECAUSE of endless war without solutions, and we, the same disprivileged group in each case, have completely bought the same line of bullshit every time: no third way exists, so keep us both in power lest something awful happens. I just fixed America.
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Mar 10, 2015 02:34
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:A tangential question: does anyone have any decent articles/books they can recommend about life in Iran? I know it's a very different place than it was right after the revolution and has modernized a great deal, but I'm mostly ignorant. High heels and hijabs: Iran’s sexual revolution quote:Some shifts in attitude in Tahmineh’s community have been more obvious. “My mum still whispers the word divorce, as it’s still seen as a shameful thing, but whereas ten years ago she didn’t know anyone who had divorced, now she knows two divorcees,” she says. Over the past ten years, divorces have tripled in Iran, with one in every five marriages ending – the ratio is even higher in the capital. Starting a war/bombing Iran would do exactly the opposite of this, and gently caress everything up in a depressingly bad way. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:And no one takes their program seriously because their only delivery method is road transport? But that is how Iran will attack our cities if we let Obama appease the Ayatollah!
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