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kcroy
May 30, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

quote:

As we reported, the hit fantasy’s showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss believe the rest of Martin’s saga will take seven seasons to conclude on screen. HBO, however, would actually prefer more than that—but also emphasized the network wouldn’t want to drag out the story if the writer-producers sincerely believe additional seasons would be detrimental to their creative vision. “We know basically how many hours are left in this story,” Benioff says. “It’s about finding that sweet spot so it works for us and for HBO and, most of all, it works for the audience.”

Writing on his blog, Martin confirmed HBO wants more than seven seasons (“I continue to hear similar sentiments from HBO every time I have meeting with them,” he says). But he cautioned that nothing is yet decided and might not be for awhile: “Right now, Game of Thrones is guaranteed only six seasons. That’s all HBO has officially committed to, by contract. We can speculate about additional seasons beyond that, but that’s all it is, speculation. Weird stuff happens in television, and there are sooooo many factors involved. Budgets. Actors’ contracts. New shows in development. Ratings … Around the time that the second episode of season six is showing, HBO will order season seven, we hope … or maybe, just maybe, they will order seasons seven AND eight. But even if they just order season seven, that doesn’t mean that the show will end in seven; it could just represent a return to the original policy of committing to only one season at a time.”

Nice to see everyone out there is still in the Denial phase of grief.

Yes, 10 seasons.. don't worry GRRM, plenty of time! Why you will finish those books for sure!

some absolute fucker posted:

..in the end, all that matters is that we tell a great story, with a great end.

Yes. the ending. hows that coming btw?

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Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





The day is here.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


Wait, GRRM knows that stories have endings? I thought that concept was lost on him.

Gimmedaroot
Aug 10, 2006

America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.
-Barack Obama
Everyone else has their GRRM = absolute fucker mantra, I have my own: Linda Antonssen is a nazi oval office.

*ahh...feel better now.

I found it interesting to watch those Preston Jacobs videos and how he explains that everyone is wrong about Feast and Dance being useless. he actually went the other way to make us think that one or two toss away house names or micro-minor characters that no one paid attention to are actually the KEY secret conspiracies that are KEY to the entire story. I want to believe...I really do. I'd like to believe that Maester Marwyn is some sort of puppet master controlling everyone behind the scenes, or some of the other theories. If so, great. If not, Jacobs seems to be pointing out serious flaws in the writing.

If that's the case, no wonder GRRM is taking a long time, or simply doesn't care anymore. Two brick sized books of wandering around seems a bit much, so I gave Jacobs the benefit of the doubt that there was something there that none of us took into consideration. But I've talked to fans of Wheel of Time who had to wade thru a lot more before the author's death, so yeah. I just don't have time for that poo poo.

In It For The Tank
Feb 17, 2011

But I've yet to figure out a better way to spend my time.
drat, dude. I don't think GRRM's writing is perfect or anything but judging it based on whether Preston Jacob's theories come true is a test doomed to fail. Preston Jacobs is the worst: his theories are nonsense and often rely on blatant misinterpretations of the text and faulty reasoning.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
Marwyn is going to be important though. His name is a play on Merlin and he's been set up since book 1, with connections to two important characters (Qyburn and Mirri Maez Durr/Maester). If the books come out.

There was a theory that sounded crazy at first but thinking on it actually made it sound reasonable. The idea being that Marwyn and Alleras were using the glass candles to enter Aemon's mind to ask him questions and gather information. The evidence being that Marwyn says the glass candles can do this, that when Sam gets to the Citadel they inexplicably know things they shouldn't (and Sam mentions this) and because Aemon makes refererence to a sphinx riddle (Sallera).

Another thing someone pointed out is that the maesters test their initiates by locking them in a room and seeing if they can light a glass candle. Ostensibly this is to humble them and show them that magic is impossible but it makes more sense that the maesters do this to single out people with magical potential and then kill them, since a POV character (Melisandre?) mentions that using glass candles is one of the easiest magics to perform.

Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 15, 2015

AppropriateUser
Feb 17, 2012

In It For The Tank posted:

drat, dude. I don't think GRRM's writing is perfect or anything but judging it based on whether Preston Jacob's theories come true is a test doomed to fail. Preston Jacobs is the worst: his theories are nonsense and often rely on blatant misinterpretations of the text and faulty reasoning.

This.

A few of his theories are interesting, but he largely skips straight to tinfoil hat babbling to support whatever insane idea he found amusing this week.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Isn't Alleras one of the Sand Snakes disguised as a boy?

You know since the r other Sand Snakes specifically mention that their little sister Sarella Sand, whose mother is from the Summer Isles, really loves Oldtown and Alleras is half Dornish and half Summer Islander. Not to mention that his name is Sallera spelled backwards.


Obviously this is part of a vast Dornish conspiracy to bring about the apocalypse by using magic to move the moon closer to the sun(the symbol of house Martell) which will cause the moon to burst and spill forth a thousand thousand dragons. The Martells want dragons to take over the world because they are all secret Targaryens and love dragons and might be a race of blooddrinking reptillian draganoids disguised as humans.

Also Hodor is the prince that was promised and "Hodor" is the true name of the Great Other. The books will end with Hodor defeating the Others by speaking the forbidden true name of their god causing them to melt. He will then be crowned as king of the Hodordom of Hodoria and rule for a 1000 years.



FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Mar 16, 2015

The North Tower
Aug 20, 2007

You should throw it in the ocean.

Sarella :spergin:

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

I know nothing.

visceril
Feb 24, 2008
The climax of ASOIAF being a B plot point from one of the worst Final Fantasies would be fitting.


Also killing acolytes that are able to light the candles is actually super smart and the humility thing is the perfect cover I will be disappointed if this isn't reality in the next book.

There is no book so it is already canon

Gimmedaroot
Aug 10, 2006

America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.
-Barack Obama

In It For The Tank posted:

drat, dude. I don't think GRRM's writing is perfect or anything but judging it based on whether Preston Jacob's theories come true is a test doomed to fail.

So it seems that we were just subjected to 2000 or so pages of GRRM's rambling bullshit. There is no hope. :smith:

Everyone here give the impression that Feast and Dance ARE on that level of lovely writing. I'm at least trying to see if the GRRM is at least somewhat misunderstood as far as the books are concerned. Patchface being the Prince That Was Promised would be loving great.

I don't see a problem with tinfoil hat theories in a fantasy world. Its a fantasy world, or just say 'a wizard did it'. It makes some of the inconsistencies and random scenes that seem to have no point make more sense. And Preston is entertaining as gently caress, seems like a nice guy, and loves the stories. I'll take him over Linda Antonssen, a real expert, any loving day. She deserves ten times the hate that GRRM gets, and nowhere near the followers she has on social media.

Without the tinfoil it seems the writing is just as lovely as everyone is saying, and the truth is just too depressing...like conspiracy theories in the real world.

Gimmedaroot fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 16, 2015

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
One day, someone's going to make a killing off A Ballad of Hot and Cold.

pakman
Jun 27, 2011

I haven't read this thread in a year, and i have two questions: first, has he written a page for the next book inbetween complaining about the jets or giants or whatever-the-gently caress, and two, how many books has the thread completed in the meantime?

Edit: tablet typing!

pakman fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Mar 16, 2015

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Is it out yet

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

I made my first post in a GRRM thread in 2005 :suicide:

Blind Melon
Jan 3, 2006
I like fire, you can have some too.

Gimmedaroot posted:

I'll take him over Linda Antonssen, a real expert, any loving day. She deserves ten times the hate that GRRM gets, and nowhere near the followers she has on social media.

Top result on Google for the name is someone's tumbler ranting about her.

Woodpile
Mar 30, 2013

Blind Melon posted:

Top result on Google for the name is someone's tumbler ranting about her.

No worries, looks like she can take care of herself in a nerd slapfight.

http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1920x1280/a_c/Courtiers.jpg

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Ague Proof posted:

One day, someone's going to make a killing off A Ballad of Hot and Cold.

A Ditty of Lukewarm and Chilly.

Actually, "Luke Warm and Chilly" sound like the protagonists of a rad 80s buffy cop movie.

Hunky Joe
Dec 21, 2005

I'll fight crime when I feel like it...

Grendels Dad posted:

A Ditty of Lukewarm and Chilly.

Actually, "Luke Warm and Chilly" sound like the protagonists of a rad 80s buffy cop movie.

Luke pulled up to the station in his 1983 Ford Mustang, killing the sweet roar of the engine with the turn of the key. It was his first day on the job in a new precinct so he wanted to get this right. His last assignment had cost him the life of his partner and earned him time off from the job. That would all change this time. He had a new life in a new place with a new name now.

You're still with me, aren't you little buddy? Luke wondered as he pulled the gleaming silver badge from his glove compartment and clipped it onto his button up Hawaiian shirt. He had made certain the collar was popped up and his chest hair well-groomed for his first appearance today.

Looking in the rear view mirror, Luke checked his mustache for any donut crumbs and smoothed his mutton chops with a saliva thickened thumb. His smooth, ebony skin glistened from the hot Miami sun but beneath the surface he was only Luke. Luke Warm.

*cue awesome 80's porn theme music*

Luke stepped out of the Mustang with the dull thud of his cowboy boots beating the hot asphalt like a drum. His Wranglers had not been washed recently but that was just how Luke rolled. Cautious of his swagger, he strutted up to the front door of Miami PD while adjusting his aviators in the direction of any fine ladies that happened out in need of police aid. He'd love to read any of those girls their rights during a sweaty confession but that was just the heat getting to him.

I gotta keep it cool Luke thought as he opened the doors to the precinct and strutted in. The rush of cold air compliments of the air conditioning helped, as did the sight of the man standing by what appeared to be his new desk.

He was a short man, pale-skinned and fading from his middle years already despite a fairly youthful looking face. His short stature and mustache made him look like a disgruntled walrus but it was his portly figure that really sold it. This man had spent far too much time in the office and too little outside chasing perps.

"Detective Warm I presume?" The stout man asked from behind a thick bristled mustache.

"Guilty as charged," Luke answered, trying to add some cop humor to the situation. "Are you the chief?"

"I'm your new partner, William Stark." Will offered his hand to Luke in an inviting gesture. "But you can call me Chilly."

Luke extended his arm and shook Will's hand firmly.

*freeze frame on the handshake.*

*even slicker and cooler 80's porn music theme as the two go into a montage of running from explosions, sliding over car hoods and eating powdered donuts together*

Iron Lung
Jul 24, 2007
Life.Iron Lung. Death.

AtAt-de-fay posted:

No worries, looks like she can take care of herself in a nerd slapfight.

http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1920x1280/a_c/Courtiers.jpg

ahahahahaha that cape is GREAT. Are these the nerds who do his proofreading/content generation? This picture is the best.

visceril
Feb 24, 2008
Those two are the white supremacist admins of the fan site right?

Woodpile
Mar 30, 2013

visceril posted:

Those two are the white supremacist admins of the fan site right?

None other. They cut a striking pose, don't they? But not as striking as their Second Life depictions, which are downright naughty. I love this fandom so much.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

visceril posted:

Those two are the white supremacist admins of the fan site right?

They're not white supremacists, they're purists. Uh, book purists.

Until recently, Linda hadn't read the last half of ASOS. And despite GRRM generally not liking fanfiction, he gave Elio and Linda permission to use Westeros characters in their online fetish role-play sessions.

visceril
Feb 24, 2008
Lol. Simply lol.


Without looking it up, I know he role plays as Darkstar and she roleplays as Sansa




Instead of the more realistic Sam and Brienne

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

AtAt-de-fay posted:

No worries, looks like she can take care of herself in a nerd slapfight.

http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1920x1280/a_c/Courtiers.jpg

Holy poo poo, I've been looking for that shower curtain since forever.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Iron Lung posted:

ahahahahaha that cape is GREAT. Are these the nerds who do his proofreading/content generation? This picture is the best.

I remember hearing somewhere that if GRRM forgets what colour eyes Lollys Stokeworth has or what Dickon Manwoody's favorite type of pie his he calls the dude with the cape.

Hunky Joe
Dec 21, 2005

I'll fight crime when I feel like it...
I bet they have that picture framed in their houses. And blown up to life size.

Is that cape made out of denim?

I'd make a joke about how likely it is for that guy to own a fedora but it's a better question to ask how many fedoras he owns.

Hunky Joe fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 16, 2015

Blind Melon
Jan 3, 2006
I like fire, you can have some too.

AtAt-de-fay posted:

No worries, looks like she can take care of herself in a nerd slapfight.

http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1920x1280/a_c/Courtiers.jpg

Those two could be the headliners of a picture book of punchable faces.

Fhate
Feb 15, 2007

"Appended to its own quotation is false" appended to its own quotation is false.
They make me want to construct a wedgie machine built for two and connect it to a nuclear reactor so it can run efficiently for a very, very long time.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





Man, Theon's last ACOK chapter is such a great mix of despair and hope spots. Especially when he imagines himself in the watch.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Arbite posted:

Man, Theon's last ACOK chapter is such a great mix of despair and hope spots. Especially when he imagines himself in the watch.

People seem to not mention that part of it but I really did like the Reek parts.When the Bolton army arrives and destroys the Stark forces, then Ramsay reveals himself to Theon as if he's a Bond villain... Just something about those chapters really interested me.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

AtAt-de-fay posted:

No worries, looks like she can take care of herself in a nerd slapfight.

http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1920x1280/a_c/Courtiers.jpg

Have these people seen the sun in the past 5 years? It looks like the sun is just unnatural to them.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





Ague Proof posted:

People seem to not mention that part of it but I really did like the Reek parts.When the Bolton army arrives and destroys the Stark forces, then Ramsay reveals himself to Theon as if he's a Bond villain... Just something about those chapters really interested me.

Yeah, that was fine writing. Man, I'd have loved to see the Dine with the Dead scene on the show, but I guess that's something to save for the next adaptation.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Arbite posted:

Yeah, that was fine writing. Man, I'd have loved to see the Dine with the Dead scene on the show, but I guess that's something to save for the next adaptation.

One of the interesting parts of that dream is that Benjen isn't there but the rest of his family are. Since it's prophetic (he sleeps on Ned's weirwood bed*), that probably means Benjen's still alive.

Oh and someone pointed out the stylistic connection between dreams Ned, Cersei and Varamyr have. They all open very similarly:

Ned posted:

He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.

Cersei posted:

She dreamt an old dream, of three girls in brown cloaks, a wattled crone, and a tent that smelled of death.

Varamyr posted:

He dreamt an old dream of a hovel by the sea, three dogs whimpering, a woman’s tears.

Dreaming an old dream, three figures, a location and a woman, with an aura of pain or death. I guess you could say GRRM is just really lazy but this seems to be deliberate. I guess the dreams all also feature the POVs murdering someone and each time it's never spelt out for the reader - Ned killing the kingsguard, Cersei pushing her friend down a well and Varamyr warging into the dogs to kill his brother.

*Similarly, Jaime sleeps on a weirwood stump and has a dream of Casterly Rock

Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Mar 17, 2015

kcroy
May 30, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

bobjr posted:

Have these people seen the sun in the past 5 years? It looks like the sun is just unnatural to them.

I don't think those red buttons are Night Watch standard issue.

And I'm thinking Red there is more Sonoran Desert than Myrish Swamp.

kcroy
May 30, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Smiling Jack posted:

Is it out yet

IS it ever!


FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

"Her oval office became the world"

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Honestly if I had gone through some Reek type poo poo I think it'd be very nice to know there's something like The Wall out there. Somewhere you can go and declare no-backsies forever and just do your thing. I mean it's bad out there but it ain't Reek bad.

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Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
GRRM knows true despair is best cut with a bit of hope and saw you teetering towards too much of the former:

http://www.avclub.com/article/george-r-r-martin-skipping-comic-con-actually-writ-216705

quote:

Following rumors that Marvel won’t be attending San Diego Comic-Con, Game Of Thrones author George R.R. Martin has announced he won’t be there either. That’s led some fans to complain that no one good will be at SDCC this year, as DC quietly cries in the corner.

While it’s possible the author is just pissed that he won’t get to hang out with Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans backstage, Martin’s official explanation is that he’s too busy finally writing more Game Of Thrones books to make any convention appearances. It’s a change of tune for the author, who spent most of last year doing just about everything but working on The Winds Of Winter, the follow-up to 2011’s A Dance With Dragons.

In a new blog post, Martin announced he’s also pulling out of a scheduled appearance at the World Fantasy Convention in Saratoga for the same reason:

I’ve just had to scratch Saratoga off my list of 2015 appearances. For no reason having to do with the con itself. I am sure it will be terrific. It’s just a matter of time. I have too much to do. Too many things on my plate. Son of Kong foremost amongst them.

Son Of Kong is Martin’s hilarious nickname for The Winds Of Winter

gently caress off rear end in a top hat

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