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Nth Doctor posted:My church's council just passed a policy tonight clearing the building and our pastors to perform any marriage ceremony that is legal in the state of Michigan. Feels good to win that one ahead of June's ruling.  indeed.
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Lycus posted:There's that loving conservative persecution complex again. You won't be getting a prison sentence at all "because of who you are". Suddenly he walks closer to the Lord.
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Does god give a gently caress what we smoke, too? God needs a drat hobby.
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ColdPie posted:Does god give a gently caress what we smoke, too? God needs a drat hobby.
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ColdPie posted:Does god give a gently caress what we smoke, too? God needs a drat hobby. His hobby is playing sim city. Did I just blow your mind?
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RagnarokAngel posted:His hobby is playing sim city. Did I just blow your mind? SimEarth PLEASE. Wanna see dem intelligent trilobytes.
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RagnarokAngel posted:His hobby is playing sim city. Did I just blow your mind? Actually it's Cities: Skylines now. Sim City is a front for the Family Research Council.
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RagnarokAngel posted:His hobby is playing sim city. Did I just blow your mind? 
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"G.et R.id of I.srael D.ecisively"?
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Who What Now posted:"G.et R.id of I.srael D.ecisively"? Probably Gay-Related Immune Deficiency
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Presbyterian Church USA (1.8M members) approves same sex marriage posted:The final approval by a majority of the church’s 171 regional bodies, known as presbyteries, enshrines a change recommended last year by the church’s General Assembly. The vote amends the church’s constitution to broaden marriage from being between “a man and a woman” to “two people, traditionally a man and a woman.”  Out of date graphic but close enough.  The United Methodist Church (5.5M members) will vote in May over gay clergy and allowing clergy to officiate same sex weddings. e: quote:Marriage is a gift God has given to all humankind for the wellbeing of the entire human family. Marriage involves a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman, to love and support each other for the rest of their lives. The sacrificial love that unites the couple sustains them as faithful and responsible members of the church and the wider community. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:
Conservative Judaism (best Judaism) also approves same-sex marriage
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Conservative Judaism (best Judaism) also approves same-sex marriage That's in the chart.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:
I was raised in the UMC but have fallen out of touch. What do you see as the likely outcome?
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Freudian posted:That's in the chart. whoops
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I don't think it was posted, but the federal judge in Alabama Monday refused another request for a stay on issuing marriages in the state. As far as I can tell though, she is not doing anything to reprimand the Alabama SC for clearly defying her order.
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Pope Guilty posted:I was raised in the UMC but have fallen out of touch. What do you see as the likely outcome? I very rarely go to one in Alabama, but it seems largely devoid of young people and liberals. Then again this is Alabama. The rotating pastors there seemed pretty cool, but had terribly boring folksy sermons that would end with some sap story like "and that homeless man was Jesus".
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't think it was posted, but the federal judge in Alabama Monday refused another request for a stay on issuing marriages in the state. As far as I can tell though, she is not doing anything to reprimand the Alabama SC for clearly defying her order. http://www.scribd.com/doc/258953112/1-14-cv-00424-88 http://www.scribd.com/doc/259073763/1-14-cv-00424-89 So not a lawyer, but my limited understanding is that she is going to consider a class action against Alabama which would open the way to an injunction forcing the state's hand. Is this right? Is this the best/her only course of action? I think all of us non-lawyers want her to go "raar shut up Alabama" but is this simply not possible?
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Pope Guilty posted:I was raised in the UMC but have fallen out of touch. What do you see as the likely outcome? Schism. I grew up in the UMC, and my mother is fairly active in the church, and the impression I get is there is a really good chance that the church will vote to be cool with the gays, followed by a lot of the uptight antigay older crown splitting off.
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[quote="UltimoDragonQuest" post=""4428765"] The United Methodist Church (5.5M members) will vote in May over gay clergy and allowing clergy to officiate same sex weddings. [/quote] I think this vote only has to do with whether pastors who are LGBT or officiate at same sex marriages would be punished. I don't think a broader church vote on allowing LGBT pastors and same sex marriages can come until the 2016 General Conference.
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Pope Guilty posted:I was raised in the UMC but have fallen out of touch. What do you see as the likely outcome? Schism. Last General Conference there was almost a riot and they had to clear the hall of delegates. The African delegates are strongly against it and are one of the only branches with net membership growth so they have a lot of clout.
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Keep in mind, that's the PCUSA, not the PCA. There was a Presbyterian schism at some point, because Protestants love them some schisms.greatn posted:I very rarely go to one in Alabama, but it seems largely devoid of young people and liberals. Then again this is Alabama. The rotating pastors there seemed pretty cool, but had terribly boring folksy sermons that would end with some sap story like "and that homeless man was Jesus". Depends wildly on the church. The one I go to is in a college town, so there's plenty of young people.
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Midnight Voyager posted:Keep in mind, that's the PCUSA, not the PCA. There was a Presbyterian schism at some point, because Protestants love them some schisms. Basically, the country's largest Presbyterian denomination split over the civil war. The southern church split again in 1971, between liberals and conservatives. (and civil rights) The liberal part of the southern church rejoined the northern church in 1983. The northern+southern liberal church is PCUSA (1.7 million) the southern conservative church is PCA (the next largest Presbyterian sect, at .3 million) PCUSA, PCCSA, PCUS, PCA, UPCNA, UPCUSA. In 1861, the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America split into: The Presbyterian Church in the United States of America and The Presbyterian Church in the Confederate States of America; later called the Presbyterian Church in the United States over slavery (primarily) In 1971 the Presbyterian Church in the United States (the Southern ones) split again, into: Presbyterian Church in the United States and The Presbyterian Church in America over civil rights and the ordination of women (primarily) In 1983 the United Presbyterian Church in the United States of America (formed in 1958 by merging the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America with the United Presbyterian Church of North America in 1958) (The UPCNA was itself was the merger of the Associate Presbyterian Church and the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church) merged with Presbyterian Church in the United States (the southern liberals) to become: The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) See also, The People's Front of Judea
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Every time I see the PCUSA mentioned in this thread I misread it and wonder why the Communist Party of the USA's position on gay marriage is relevant to the discussion.
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UCC is so into same-sex marriage, our commercials were boycotted on a couple stations in the Twin Cities. It's pretty great.
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TARDISman posted:UCC is so into same-sex marriage, our commercials were boycotted on a couple stations in the Twin Cities. It's pretty great. When I was a kid we moved from a Congregational church to a UCC church and I remember thinking they were so backwards for saying "trespasses and those who trespass against us" instead of "debts and debtors". In retrospect they also say "glory be to the creator" instead of "to the father" and I was weirdly conservative as a kid so I guess the UCC is p cool.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:When I was a kid we moved from a Congregational church to a UCC church and I remember thinking they were so backwards for saying "trespasses and those who trespass against us" instead of "debts and debtors". I grew up in a (NACCC) Congregationalist church, too. I'm in a slightly more regimented denomination now, and things like having an active regional hierarchy blow my mind. My wife, on the other hand, grew up Catholic and she thinks it's fantastic anarchy.
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > Which Church Will Adam & Steve Get Married At?
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:When I was a kid we moved from a Congregational church to a UCC church and I remember thinking they were so backwards for saying "trespasses and those who trespass against us" instead of "debts and debtors". https://vimeo.com/43223395 @ 3:58
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:When I was a kid we moved from a Congregational church to a UCC church and I remember thinking they were so backwards for saying "trespasses and those who trespass against us" instead of "debts and debtors". Its debts/debtors in Scotland and trespasses/trespassers in England because Scotland traditionally never had trespass laws; that may explain the difference a bit? I'm probably completely wrong but that's what we are taught here
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IceAgeComing posted:Its debts/debtors in Scotland and trespasses/trespassers in England because Scotland traditionally never had trespass laws; that may explain the difference a bit? I'm probably completely wrong but that's what we are taught here I'm pretty sure the "no law of trespass" bit is bogus.
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joat mon posted:The original Greek is properly translated as debts. It was translated as trespasses in the Tyndale bible of the early 1500s, possibly because the connotation of [money] debts was too narrow to convey the full meaning of the prayer. The King James version of the bible a century later used debts, but trespasses had become entrenched in the Anglican church's book of common prayer. Calvinist/Reform/Presbyterian churches use debts. Growing up our church used "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those that sin against us"
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hangedman1984 posted:Growing up our church used "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those that sin against us" Both Luke and Matthew have a version of the prayer. Luke's is shorter, but uses "sins" instead of debts or trespasses.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:When I was a kid we moved from a Congregational church to a UCC church and I remember thinking they were so backwards for saying "trespasses and those who trespass against us" instead of "debts and debtors". My sister and I always say "debts and debtors" when we're at other churches. We've gotten dirty looks from my Catholic side of the family and my grandma's Lutheran church. It's pretty fantastic. We also just say "the glory forever" instead of "Forever and ever," which makes sense. Forever's long enough, no need for extra ever.
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IceAgeComing posted:Its debts/debtors in Scotland and trespasses/trespassers in England because Scotland traditionally never had trespass laws; that may explain the difference a bit? I'm probably completely wrong but that's what we are taught here joat mon posted:The original Greek is properly translated as debts. It was translated as trespasses in the Tyndale bible of the early 1500s, possibly because the connotation of [money] debts was too narrow to convey the full meaning of the prayer. The King James version of the bible a century later used debts, but trespasses had become entrenched in the Anglican church's book of common prayer. Calvinist/Reform/Presbyterian churches use debts. Etc. Shoot me now.
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Looks like CA can't stop the kill the gays bill Now they start petition signatures (365,000)which would lead the person to most likely getting their rear end kicked http://sanfrancisco.suntimes.com/sf-news/7/74/118554/shoot-the-gays-initiative/ Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Looks like CA can't stop the kill the gays bill Yesssssss put it on the 2016 ballot. Dooooooo it!  I want to see the Republicans pull their "it's not about hating gays it's about protecting the Christians gays abuse" bullshit when there's a kill-all-gays bill on the ballot.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Looks like CA can't stop the kill the gays bill  "Sharia Law" to California. You guys want to fight the "terrorist sleeper cells" in America? Well then here's the start of one right here, make sure to stop him post-haste. I said it before but loving  at some dude literally trying to one-up ISIS/ISIL by establishing the Christan State in the (united) States, or CSIS.
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fade5 posted:So here's a dude trying to bring ISIL's version of the dreaded Most linguists agree that it's best translated the Christian State In San Francisco and LA (CSIL)
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