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I was six, it seems. It was also my first numbered Final Fantasy, so I have some fondness for it despite accepting its flaws. Also because Squall is kind of awesome everywhere else, both Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts make him really likable.
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Hyord posted:Which of the two do you consider the Squall is Dead theory? (Which, by the way, I believe should be spoiled at the moment, since calling it a theory might suggest that Squall is, in fact, not dead, despite what the cliffhanger we were just left on would lead us to potentially believe.) Definitely in the silly category. Like Psion said, it's completely incorrect. It was worth the read, but after the end of it I just gave it a wanking motion. I was all of 5 when FF8 came out, not that it matters. I'd seen Squall in KH1, Chain, KH2, and beaten Inward Chaos with him in Dissidia before I ever bought and completed FF8. He's much better in universes that aren't his own, granted he tends to be end-game Squall
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Apr 1, 2015 02:19
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I was 19. I guess I win. Yay.
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Apr 1, 2015 02:26
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Squall Dead is an interesting concept, but not one I buy into just because A) I don't tend to think many video game devs are that clever, and B) the simple economics of someone at Square spilling the beans and causing a mass riot on the internet of outrage that 'none of that happened that's bullshit man'. Just look at Mass Effect 3's ending fiasco to see how viciously nerds will rage when games don't meet their expectations (full disclosure, I was full crazy pissed at BioWare myself).
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Apr 1, 2015 02:45
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I always thought that the reason for Irvine choking up was that he's a sniper in name only: he's great at shooting at paper targets and stand-ins, but he's never been in an actual combat before, or had to shoot a real human being. Like someone else said, this is weird, because as a gun user, you would think he would have more actual field experience than a gunblade user. And if he´s the only one in that Garden who knows how to use guns, then what are the other students combat training in? Fisticuffs, like Zell? Melee weapons only? Interpretative dancing? Foul language?
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Apr 1, 2015 03:02
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Sky Shadowing posted:Squall Dead is an interesting concept, but not one I buy into just because A) I don't tend to think many video game devs are that clever, and B) the simple economics of someone at Square spilling the beans and causing a mass riot on the internet of outrage that 'none of that happened that's bullshit man'. I think you're sort of comparing apples and oranges here. People were justifiably upset at the ME3 ending because it basically spat in everyones face and told them your decisions throughout three games meant nothing, please select your favorite colored filter out of three possible choices and enjoy this single ending. But as long as we're talking about how old we were when the game came out, I guess I'll join in with 9. As embarrassing as this is in hindsight, 9 year old me thought Irvine Kinneas was the epitome of cool. Little did I realize he was actually a cowardly juvenile prone to sexual harassment. Hyord fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 03:03
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I was 25 when FFVIII came out. 
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Kal-L posted:I always thought that the reason for Irvine choking up was that he's a sniper in name only: he's great at shooting at paper targets and stand-ins, but he's never been in an actual combat before, or had to shoot a real human being. You know, reading this just reminded me that this is a stock character, and it's one that fits with our party full of rookies. Also, Martine says Irvine is an "elite sharpshooter," but Squall is an "elite mercenary". I think that Irvine still was worried about something else, but I don't think it's the whole story.
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Apr 1, 2015 03:26
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For some reason Irvine was my favorite of the main characters. I was just out of college when this came out, and Rinoa set my teeth on edge -- to be fair, as Cool Ghost explores the characters, I can see that the translation did her no favors. Selphie was too bubbly. Squall was - yeah, I was over moody silent protagonists I was supposed to fall in love with. Zell was immature and blurted out stuff he shouldn't have. Quistis was hung up on Squall and I could not fathom why she wanted to go back and apologize to Rinoa. Irvine is a wanna-be womanizer - as he doesn't actually seem to get his way, he wasn't as bad as someone who actually succeeded. (To me. Movies and TV shows have probably warped me, as wanna-be womanizer is a common character trait.) But Irvine being unable to take the shot? That I got, through and through. I sympathized with that, in a way I was probably supposed to sympathize with the other characters and didn't. As many others have said, it's one thing to be a crack shot, and another to take a life. That Squall manages to talk him into trying anyways - that was a great moment for both of them. (And to Irvine's credit, that shot was dead-on.) Really felt that Squall, Rinoa, and Irvine did start to gel as a real team, as Cool Ghost said. I wish there were more moments like that in the game overall. I have vague recollections that Irvine - when he is not doing the obnoxious womanizing thing - is a pretty chill fellow with good ideas on how to proceed. Here's hoping I've forgotten some solid character building moments. (And over-remembered Rinoa's later clingy nature, and bizarre character moments and plot points that made no sense.) Thanks, Cool Ghost.
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Apr 1, 2015 04:12
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Cool Ghost posted:
Wait a minute. Seifer based his worldview on an old movie, about a sorceress knight, and he's a gunblade user. That means that... well, we'll see later, but I never put that together before. Incidentally, despite being incredibly easy (even for this game), Edea's one of the few bosses in the series I can think of where losing doesn't really matter - the only difference between winning and losing is 20 AP, a useful but not earthshaking quantity. Gnoman fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 04:34
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Yeah, I just put that together tonight while playing Disc 3
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Apr 1, 2015 04:41
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I've been wanting to post about that since forever. Glad everyone is seeing it though! well, everyone who's played the game before. Sorry, first time players, we're all realizing 8's a little more subtle than we gave it credit for 
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Apr 1, 2015 04:42
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Gnoman posted:Wait a minute. Seifer based his worldview on an old movie, about a sorceress knight, and he's a gunblade user. That means that... well, we'll see later, but I never put that together before.  How the hell did I never put that together before? Ok, I might give crap to FF8 a bit, but I admit that's pretty neat.
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Apr 1, 2015 05:15
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FFVIII came out when I was 17, so I was the same age as most of the SeeDs. Believe it or not, this actually helped, as I thought they did a good job writing characters I could imagine bumping into between classes.
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Gnoman posted:Wait a minute. Seifer based his worldview on an old movie, about a sorceress knight, and he's a gunblade user. That means that... well, we'll see later, but I never put that together before. Wow. That's amazing.
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Apr 1, 2015 05:44
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mauman posted:
But wait, there's more! Watch how that knight actually holds the gunblade in the movie!
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Apr 1, 2015 06:13
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Bifauxnen posted:But wait, there's more! Watch how that knight actually holds the gunblade in the movie! Holy poo poo  Anyway, if nothing else I've always found this sequence to set Edea up as a really neat villain. Too bad about the rest of the game though! I just wish Reflect wasn't so easily accessible like ten minutes before you fight her so she'd have an appropriately difficult fight. It could've been an actual time where strategic junctions mattered, but I guess asking for FF8 to not be horribly broken is like asking for rain in a drought.
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Apr 1, 2015 06:38
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Bifauxnen posted:But wait, there's more! Watch how that knight actually holds the gunblade in the movie! Said knight costume is also available as a DLC costume for Laguna in Dissidia. It's called 'Zefer'.
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Apr 1, 2015 06:48
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Sky Shadowing posted:Squall Dead is an interesting concept, but not one I buy into just because A) I don't tend to think many video game devs are that clever, I think the last 3 updates proves this to be true and your a conspiracy nut to think otherwise. Pretty sure at this point hey sacked the writing team and brought in new guys who were even worse somehow? However I must give credit to the game for the Seifer, knight movie reference, never noticed that. Also I never completed this game because of the last boss fight gimmick that didnt work the two times I tired it 
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Extra Tasty posted:Holy poo poo Clearly she should cast reflect on herself and bounce spells off her to your party.
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Apr 1, 2015 11:57
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Testekill posted:Clearly she should cast reflect on herself and bounce spells off her to your party. If you try Carbuncle in the second fight against her, that's exactly what she does. Enemies like the Blue Dragon and Ruby Dragon will also follow this tactic.
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Apr 1, 2015 13:07
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And with that the best part of the story is over. It gets incredibly loving stupid from here, buckle up.
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bradzilla posted:And with that the best part of the story is over. It gets incredibly loving stupid from here, buckle up. My personal favorite part of the game is at the end of Disc 2. But once we hit Disc 3 everything goes full on 
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Is there any sort of in-universe explanation for why bosses sometimes have a GF to draw?
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Apr 1, 2015 18:00
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Not really, although it sometimes does affect some of them in some way (and sometimes that effect is nullified when you draw the GF). Iguions have auto-reflect on account of Carbuncle (the reflect GF), given away mostly by their scan text. (I think they keep that even after you draw it, though.) The boss with Leviathan (the water elemental GF) has access to Water, but loses that spell once you draw the GF. The boss with Pandemona/Pandemonium (the wind elemental GF) has access to Aero and Tornado, but loses those spells once you draw the GF. The bosses with Siren, Alexander, and Eden don't seem to get any obviously-related benefits from them or lose any abilities once you draw them.
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Gnoman posted:Wait a minute. Seifer based his worldview on an old movie, about a sorceress knight, and he's a gunblade user. That means that... well, we'll see later, but I never put that together before. God drat it, that's great. Thoroughly enjoying this LP so far since, for better or worse, this is one of my favourite games. A thing I like about the mission gone wrong is that Squall's back-up plan is to leap off a building, smash a car into metal gates and face Seifer and an honest-to-god Sorceress by himself. Dude has balls, you've got to give him that.
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Apr 1, 2015 19:34
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Vil posted:Not really, although it sometimes does affect some of them in some way (and sometimes that effect is nullified when you draw the GF). I did not know this. Interesting.
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Apr 1, 2015 20:55
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Other than SeeD - have pronunciations come up yet? Is it Dollett or Dollay? Seefer, Cypher or Sayfer? Eedee? Eddaya? Delling? Deeling?
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VagueRant posted:Other than SeeD - have pronunciations come up yet? I go with: -Doll-ett -Cy-pher -E-dee-uh -Well done
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Apr 1, 2015 21:54
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VagueRant posted:Other than SeeD - have pronunciations come up yet? Seifer's Romaji is Saifā, so presumably similar to Cypher. Edea would presumably be the common pronounciation of the name, Ey-dia. Deiling is Deringu, so I'd imagine it would be Dey-ling. According to the wiki, in the opening FMV for the Dollet field exam, the Galbadian soldiers use the same machine guns as Laguna did.
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It's been so long since I played this game that I have no idea what the Seifer thing is. Guess I'll find out when we get there! Also, they pronounce it Cy-pher in Kingdom Hearts 2, though sadly, they shorten Raijen and Fuujin to Rai (Rye) and Fuu (Foo).
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So what's with the Seifer knight movie thing? I dont get it
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That's just people talking about things that haven't happened yet in the game, like the OP says not to. You know. An LP thread.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:I was seven, which is weird because I thought this game came out earlier than that. See that's what I thought, too. For some reason I thought it came out in like 1996, even though I knew that's not right (because FF7). I don't think I got it for Christmas the year it came out, either, I think I got it in 2000. I dunno. Time is all hazy between 1997 and about 2009 for me. (Depression!)
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Bregor posted:
I like you. A few people posted:Squall is dead theory Nope. Nevermind. I'm not spoiling myself here after reading the last page and seeing people's (apparently worldview changing) realizations. I'm going to sit here and continue to enjoy this LP, and hope that someone can remember to bring this things back up when it's not spoilers.
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: Now it's time for the Zell Show! Dat-dat-dat-daah-dat-daah! It's the Zell Show, starring me, I'm Zell! It's the Zell Show, and I've got lots of good guests! Bah-dat-daah-daah-dat-daah...
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VagueRant posted:Other than SeeD - have pronunciations come up yet? I've always said Dole-ett See-fer Ee-dee-ya Dell-ing But I should mention I first played this when I was 9 and my ability to pronounce English words at the time wasn't the greatest, but you know, old habits die hard. Hyord fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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VagueRant posted:Other than SeeD - have pronunciations come up yet? I've always done Doll-ay Cypher Ee-day-uh Day-ling
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Apr 2, 2015 04:08
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Son of a bitch, I just got the Seifer thing, and that's amazing.
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I have maintained for many years Seifer is the best character in FFVIII. What everyone is talking about now is just one of the many reasons why this is true. Damning with faint praise perhaps but he's one of the few reasons I constantly come back to this game.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Son of a bitch, I just got the Seifer thing, and that's amazing. Maybe its just that I havn't played this game in fifteen years but I'm not following the train of thought behind this Seifer epiphany. Could anyone help me put the pieces together?
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