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Krinkle posted:Was that the show though? I thought she just made it so the bird was on loving fire spontaneous combustion style. I don't remember how it was described in the book, but it wasn't in the show at all.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:
Dany makes a blood sacrifice ( She kills Carl, and is burning his body ) which could account for both the waking of the dragons and her Fire Resistance +80. If gods are involved, Dany suiciding into the fire might count as sacrifice / blood magic too. Isn't there a blood sacrifice with Victarion too?
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kcroy posted:Dany makes a blood sacrifice ( She kills Carl, and is burning his body ) which could account for both the waking of the dragons and her Fire Resistance +80. If gods are involved, Dany suiciding into the fire might count as sacrifice / blood magic too. The priest uses a (silver?) dagger and brazier to lance the poisoned/infected wound so blood was likely burning whether an intended part of the healing or not.
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Jun 25, 2015 09:16
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This is as good a moment as any to say how enjoyable Victarion's attempts at ecumenism were to me. He has been brought up as an Iron Man so he pays the iron price for everything and chucks people into the ocean to drown. But he is also a practical man who has experienced first-hand that R'hllor kind of works, so now he sets the people he drowns on fire. It's pretty adorable to see him create a bridge between religions, and I cannot wait to see him moderate a Religious Peace of Augsburg-type of event where Aeron Greyjoy, Melisandre and the Great Sparrow sit down at a round table.
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Grendels Dad posted:This is as good a moment as any to say how enjoyable Victarion's attempts at ecumenism were to me. He has been brought up as an Iron Man so he pays the iron price for everything and chucks people into the ocean to drown. But he is also a practical man who has experienced first-hand that R'hllor kind of works, so now he sets the people he drowns on fire. It's pretty adorable to see him create a bridge between religions, and I cannot wait to see him moderate a Religious Peace of Augsburg-type of event where Aeron Greyjoy, Melisandre and the Great Sparrow sit down at a round table. dont forget he burned 7 boy sex slaves and im pretty sure 3 of them are described as being overtly feminine
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Jun 25, 2015 10:14
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jsoh posted:dont forget he burned 7 boy sex slaves and im pretty sure 3 of them are described as being overtly feminine Victarion Greyjoy just 'gets' religion.
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I have another implausible theory concerning Summer's 'vision', perhaps it was the release of some magical energy that occurred when the flames reached the godswood:Bran VII, ACOK posted:"The godswood." Meera Reed ran after the direwolf, her shield and frog spear to hand. The rest of them trailed after, threading their way through smoke and fallen stones. The air was sweeter under the trees. A few pines along the edge of the wood had been scorched, but deeper in the damp soil and green wood had defeated the flames. "There is a power in living wood," said Jojen Reed, almost as if he knew what Bran was thinking, "a power strong as fire." Maybe it was only visible to Summer because he's a wolf and magical? I think some people ITT suggested similar things, not completely implausible imo though I still lean towards the collapsing buildings/burning debris theory.
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Jun 25, 2015 11:17
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kcroy posted:Dany makes a blood sacrifice ( She kills Carl, and is burning his body ) which could account for both the waking of the dragons and her Fire Resistance +80. If gods are involved, Dany suiciding into the fire might count as sacrifice / blood magic too. GRRM also explicitly said that Dany surviving the funeral pyre was a one-time deal, whereas on the show she basically has a permanent NulFire buff cast on her.
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Jun 25, 2015 11:35
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Please find me a quote where he says "so help me god if dany catches fire again it won't work this time!"
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Jun 25, 2015 11:59
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Her hands apparently suffered second degree burns when she mounted Drogo in Daznak's pit.
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A lot of people thought that because Dany liked taking really hot baths and was not burned in the pyre that all Targaryens were totally immune to fire and some even thought the fact that Jon burns his hand when fighting the wights in Mormont's chambers meant that R+L=J can't be true. There is however mention of several Targaryens dying in fires and one from chugging wildfire so obviously this isn't the case.
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Jun 25, 2015 14:33
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Is Victarion's fire arm from a preview chapter? I don't remember that at all.
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Aston posted:Is Victarion's fire arm from a preview chapter? I don't remember that at all. No it happens in his ADWD chapters, the one titled "the iron suitor".
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DangerZoneDelux posted:I don't have much to contribute but you are cracking me up since you don't understand you misread the quote you posted. GRRM didn't write anything about "hearing" a comet roar. He said the roar was a river of flame. The other dudes are saying the streak from the comet is making an effect like a dragon breathing fire. gently caress man OK, what about the wings? Interpret it however you want, it's just a story, but I read that sentence as Bran/Summer seeing a dragon.
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Grendels Dad posted:This is as good a moment as any to say how enjoyable Victarion's attempts at ecumenism were to me. He has been brought up as an Iron Man so he pays the iron price for everything and chucks people into the ocean to drown. But he is also a practical man who has experienced first-hand that R'hllor kind of works, so now he sets the people he drowns on fire. It's pretty adorable to see him create a bridge between religions, and I cannot wait to see him moderate a Religious Peace of Augsburg-type of event where Aeron Greyjoy, Melisandre and the Great Sparrow sit down at a round table. Didn't he also chain 7 slaves together to be burned/drown so it placates the Seven too? Victarion's got this religion poo poo on lockdown. 
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I wish the guy Bronn was watching in CoK instead of looking at the T&A with tyrion would have turned out to be the guy who challenged him for house stokeworth. The one where he said "that'll be the death of him, the day he faces me." I thought I found foreshadowing but it was just indirect foreshadowing that he's always looking for how to beat people and probably read that stuffy old knight correctly when he married Lollys.
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Still rereading AGOT, I must say I kinda didn't remember what a huge unpleasant rear end in a top hat Ned was, he insults pretty much every single person he meets in that entire book unless that person is a northman or Barristan Selmy.
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Jun 25, 2015 18:46
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Well a lot of them are worthy of insult.
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Jun 25, 2015 18:56
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Yeah true they all hate each other as well but while half of them actively plot to kill each other they're still pleasant and humorous to one another while Ned who is a complete idiot who doesn't even understand what's going on around him is this boring stiff who throws around insults while everyone is rolling their eyes at him and secretly laugh at him behind his back. Rereading his scenes with Littlefinger is borderline unpleasant on account what a huge condescending idiot Ned is while LF is clowning him without him even noticing. Also Renly is pretty much one of the coolest people in Westeros, he's a really great presence in every scene he appears.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:03
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yeah Renly laughing so hard at Joffrey he had to be kicked out of the throne room was pretty rad
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Yeah, Renly is by far the most likeable and competent Baratheon brother. Robert was good fun but not much of a king. Stannis is kinslaying tyrant and if he would take power half the realm would probably rise up as not to be ruled by a heretic. I mean Renly would almost certainly have ended up as a Tyrrell puppet had he taken the throne but they are probably the most pleasant puppeteers around. The good die young.
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FreudianSlippers posted:A lot of people thought that because Dany liked taking really hot baths and was not burned in the pyre that all Targaryens were totally immune to fire and some even thought the fact that Jon burns his hand when fighting the wights in Mormont's chambers meant that R+L=J can't be true. Yeah. If Viserys was constantly putting hands on you and eye-loving you you'd want some hot baths too.
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FreudianSlippers posted:A lot of people thought that because Dany liked taking really hot baths and was not burned in the pyre that all Targaryens were totally immune to fire and some even thought the fact that Jon burns his hand when fighting the wights in Mormont's chambers meant that R+L=J can't be true. You'd also have to disregard how Viserys died.
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Lycus posted:You'd also have to disregard how Viserys died. I thought that was where people got the idea from in the first place? "Fire cannot kill a dragon"
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Ague Proof posted:I thought that was where people got the idea from in the first place? "Fire cannot kill a dragon" Then they're putting very little thought into if they think that phrase meant "Targaryens are fire/heat-proof" since Viserys dies from heat right there. Or did they think it meant Viserys was a bastard?
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A couple of chapters earlier Jorah tells Dany that Rhaegar was the last dragon and that Viserys is "less than the shadow of a snake", if people read into this stuff as Jorah and Dany questioning Viserys parentage well idk what to say, they are basically saying that Viserys is unworthy of being called a dragon cause he's such a loser, when Dany says it at Viserys' crowning she probably already believes she's been chosen by destiny and that she's the true dragon, I do think she might herself think that she's fireproof.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:27
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Maybe he died because he was so happy he finally got his crown that his heart simply stopped beating. They're sensitive creatures, dragons.
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Magic in the GRRMiverse works on narrative lines, as all great magic does. Magic based on mechanical rules n' poo poo was invented by grognardy D&D players with lice in their beards. You cast a fireball when it's the right time for something to burst into flame, not because you have a +3 to the roll from your wand of gonorrhoea.
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Fargo Fukes posted:Magic in the GRRMiverse works on narrative lines, as all great magic does. Magic based on mechanical rules n' poo poo was invented by grognardy D&D players with lice in their beards. You cast a fireball when it's the right time for something to burst into flame, not because you have a +3 to the roll from your wand of gonorrhoea. yeah, definitely. both the south african and the american tolkien understood this cf. robert jordan who was a nucular engineer and brandon sanderson who pulled a weekend at bernies at jordan and who is a magic the gathering playing mormon ofc the plot driven magic can also be lovely, like moorcock's elric's stormbringer which fails more often than a horror film cellphone Hogge Wild fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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"Fire cannot kill a dragon" was like a no true scotsman she said to herself as her brother died like a chump. If she isn't chosen by destiny then every single thing she does is terrible. If the Dragon is a narrative device to represent her unplaced optimism then goddamn. That red waste march killed half your people, khaleesi, maybe you shoulda gone west and taken your chances with khal pono.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I do think she might herself think that she's fireproof. That could be prophetic and oddly satisfying 
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Hogge Wild posted:yeah, definitely. both the south african and the american tolkien understood this who is the south african tolkien? jrr was british unless 
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fire can kill a targ's hair though hair is already dead of course and grrm may not have been thinking of the hair on Kelly's head
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TK-42-1 posted:who is the south african tolkien? jrr was british unless from wikipedia: John Ronald Reuel Tolkien was born on 3 January 1892 in Bloemfontein in the Orange Free State (now Free State Province in South Africa) he left for england when he was 3
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syscall girl posted:fire can kill a targ's hair though but not their brown eyebrows
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Hogge Wild posted:from wikipedia: John Ronald Reuel Tolkien was born on 3 January 1892 in Bloemfontein in the Orange Free State (now Free State Province in South Africa) If you're part of the ruling elite of a colony then you're from whatever country your parents are from. Richard E Grant is British even though he was born in Swaziland and the same goes for the people born in India. Colonial rulers aren't immigrants who take on the nationality. quote:Yeah, Renly is by far the most likeable and competent Baratheon brother. Robert was good fun but not much of a king. Stannis is kinslaying tyrant and if he would take power half the realm would probably rise up as not to be ruled by a heretic. I mean Renly would almost certainly have ended up as a Tyrrell puppet had he taken the throne but they are probably the most pleasant puppeteers around.
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stop appropriating african culture
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FreudianSlippers posted:He's three years old in book one.ince the books take place over about two and a half years he should be at least five, hanging out with his near feral giant wolf on the island of unicorns and cannibalism, Keep going. :jizz:
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Hogge Wild posted:but not their brown eyebrows it is known they just wiggle down into the rectum during extreme heat exposure what we haven't learned yet is if they can survive rear end and fire
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