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JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

i can prevent an assassination if anyone needs that

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:15

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# ? May 4, 2024 07:21

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

JakeP posted:

also ##vote kleedrac

Hold up on that a moment, JakeP. Look at WWM's exit post, emphasis mine:

WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:

I really wish I had been able to play this longer, oh well, teach me to white knight a townie.

##vote wwm

See you in hell!

Now, he was leaving in a huff, doing the self-vote to end the day thing. That means that nothing in the post was done without thought, and unless WWM just hates the scum team completely he'd do everything he could to not implicate his scumbros. In this case, there's no reason to make the comment unless he wants town attention on Kleedrac. It feels like a red herring, an attempt to get a mislynch on Kleedrac today.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:15

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

JakeP posted:

i can prevent an assassination if anyone needs that

No, we need to cause one. JFK needs to die for the greater good.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:16

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:18

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Byers2142 posted:

No, we need to cause one. JFK needs to die for the greater good.

Like I said, I'll fix it later today. I just don't want to flip it if someone needs one of those spots it flipped patched instead, so I'm giving people time to check in and patch, before I just flip the linchpin.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:18

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

CapitalistPig posted:

You have made me want to post less, not more.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:19

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

Byers2142 posted:

No, we need to cause one. JFK needs to die for the greater good.

ya i cant do that.

Also I think the WWM thing could be a double fake designed to make people think exactly what you just thought

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:19

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

drat it, I posted again!

Preemptive edit: And again! gently caress!

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:19

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

I thought i was lurking this game :shrug:

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:21

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

CapitalistPig posted:

I just replaced in yesterday, I get a pass. :colbert:

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:21

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Byers2142 posted:

Now, he was leaving in a huff, doing the self-vote to end the day thing. That means that nothing in the post was done without thought, and unless WWM just hates the scum team completely he'd do everything he could to not implicate his scumbros. In this case, there's no reason to make the comment unless he wants town attention on Kleedrac. It feels like a red herring, an attempt to get a mislynch on Kleedrac today.

JakeP posted:

Also I think the WWM thing could be a double fake designed to make people think exactly what you just thought

Ok, serious post time: I don't think there's any real merit to this discussion. It could be either. We just need to treat Kleedrac with the same suspicion we would if none of that had happened.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:22

kumba: Nov 8, 2003; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride; Lipstick Apathy

Byers2142 posted:

Hold up on that a moment, JakeP. Look at WWM's exit post, emphasis mine:

Now, he was leaving in a huff, doing the self-vote to end the day thing. That means that nothing in the post was done without thought, and unless WWM just hates the scum team completely he'd do everything he could to not implicate his scumbros. In this case, there's no reason to make the comment unless he wants town attention on Kleedrac. It feels like a red herring, an attempt to get a mislynch on Kleedrac today.

I agree with this.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:24

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

JakeP posted:

ya i cant do that.

Also I think the WWM thing could be a double fake designed to make people think exactly what you just thought

No offense to him, but he didn't seem that nuanced. His play seemed designed around having a singular move he makes, like the fakeclaim, but not thinking through to deeper levels of deception.

Either way, I'd like to look at other people for today beyond piling on Kleedrac to start. Mithross, for instance, is pinging me on a reread.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:25

kumba: Nov 8, 2003; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride; Lipstick Apathy

JakeP posted:

i can prevent an assassination if anyone needs that

If you could keep JFK alive that'd be pretty sweet

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:25

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

Mithross posted:

Ok, serious post time: I don't think there's any real merit to this discussion. It could be either. We just need to treat Kleedrac with the same suspicion we would if none of that had happened.

What if I told you I thought you were scummy mcscumerson and tried to set this up with WWM at the end of yesterday?

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:26

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Kumbamontu posted:

If you could keep JFK alive that'd be pretty sweet

He... he is alive. Like, right now.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:26

kumba: Nov 8, 2003; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride; Lipstick Apathy

Mithross posted:

He... he is alive. Like, right now.

gently caress not JFK I meant Lincoln

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:27

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

Kumbamontu posted:

gently caress not JFK I meant Lincoln

No, if you save Lincoln without the time helaing cards, you just increase Paradox.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:28

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Kumbamontu posted:

gently caress not JFK I meant Lincoln

Oh, I need that to happen anyway! But if nobody has the patch, I don't want to save him yet.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:28

kumba: Nov 8, 2003; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride; Lipstick Apathy

Don't they need 13 paradoxes to win like that? It seems odd to be worried about that so early when there's only 3 and still having time healing patches or whatever

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:36

kumba: Nov 8, 2003; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride; Lipstick Apathy

Mithross posted:

Oh, I need that to happen anyway! But if nobody has the patch, I don't want to save him yet.

Yeah actually this, I am apparently stupid and still don't understand this game fully. I need Lincoln to live and someone to patch in President King winning in 1974, not just Lincoln living

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:39

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Kumbamontu posted:

Don't they need 13 paradoxes to win like that? It seems odd to be worried about that so early when there's only 3 and still having time healing patches or whatever

Yea, but there's no reason to create a paradox when we don't need to. Who knows what cards scum might have, or how many of them their are. Three scum could potentially cause 8 paradox right now, if they all had inverters. That's in addition to the ones on the board already.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:41

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

Kumbamontu posted:

If you could keep JFK alive that'd be pretty sweet

i have to wait for him to die again first i think

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:41

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

tell me when to save abe

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:42

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Byers2142 posted:

What if I told you I thought you were scummy mcscumerson and tried to set this up with WWM at the end of yesterday?

If that were true, then why did I agree (well, not agree, but I didn't disagree either) with you? I set up a plan with WWM then immediately just said we should watch Kleedrac like any other player, instead of making a judgement call on the gambit to push it forward?

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:42

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

So let's talk about Mithross, and his connection to WWM.

First, Mithross has spent more than half of his time in the game talking mechanics, not alignment. That's an easy subject for scum to hide in, because the game mechanics are alignment-neutral. The game works the same for both sides.

Second, look at this series of posts:

Mithross posted:

I can't see Kleedrac as scum, just for voting a claimed 3p. It's not an optimum strategy, in my opinion, but it is a valid one.

And although I can see why people are skeptical of WWM's claim, I'm skeptical that a scum would try it. They would have to be scumbros, WWM would have to decide to protect Kleedrac openly when he only had three votes on him, and push like crazy.
That or, as scum, defend Kleedrac the townie when he had three votes, then continuously double down badly.

It wouldn't be a scumslip, it would have to be a scum-trip-down-a-flight-of-stairs

JakeP posted:

I disagree. WWM could have been trying to gain cred by calling a player that was likely to get lynched town, so when they got lynched he could act like it was obvious, and we were scummy for lynching him. Then he got super called out for acting really weird around it so felt forced into making a claim that gave him a reason to know Kleedrac was town. Kleedrac does not have to be scum for scum WWM to defend him.

Sure the strategy makes no sense, because being wrong is not a scum tell ever, but you might be surprised how often scum try to do this, especially when they corner themselves by acting super scummy and start racking up votes.

Mithross posted:

I don't know that I'm 100% sold on this explanation, but it's possible, and something I hadn't thought of.

He defends the fakeclaim, but backs down when JakeP points out how from some points of view it makes sense for WWM to have done exactly what he turns out he had done, which was fakeclaim a daycop. He can't push the defense because the thread is against his point of view, so he drops the defense on his scumbro.

Finally, he's the next to last vote on WWM, but the vote was made as an aside. Not once did he make a solid call on WWM's alignment, he just offered rationalization for why WWM could be town. And less than five minutes later, WWM self-votes after having not posted in the thread for hours. The timing of it feels like scumbros talking in a doc, deciding that WWM needs to self-vote, and not paying enough attention to stagger the votes more.

In short, I think that Mithross has focuses more on mechanics than alignment and has two separate connections to WWM, his defense of WWM and the voting pattern at the end of the day. Mithross is scum.

##vote Mithross

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:43

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

Mithross posted:

If that were true, then why did I agree (well, not agree, but I didn't disagree either) with you? I set up a plan with WWM then immediately just said we should watch Kleedrac like any other player, instead of making a judgement call on the gambit to push it forward?

I think that you and WWM worked out his self vote, that someone in the scumdoc suggested that Kleedrac comment as a parting shot, and that you posted about treating Kleedrac like any other player to defuse my own comments about WWM's parting post. Hence the full post:

Mithross posted:

Ok, serious post time: I don't think there's any real merit to this discussion. It could be either. We just need to treat Kleedrac with the same suspicion we would if none of that had happened.

You're shutting down the discussion.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:47

AnonymousNarcotics: Aug 6, 2012; we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back

JakeP posted:

tell me when to save abe

If you save abe I can patch 1868

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:04

AnonymousNarcotics: Aug 6, 2012; we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back

Sorry I haven't been posting much. I am notoriously bad at mafia. I'm enjoying the time travel mechanic and trying to figure that stuff out, but I'm terrible at reading people. I'll try!

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:08

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

bowmore was replaced by PMush... who hasn't posted yet in the thread?

CPig, give me five guns, I'll solve your lurker problem.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:11

kumba: Nov 8, 2003; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride; Lipstick Apathy

why not 6 guns? or 10?

why not zoidberg?

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:25

Byers2142: May 5, 2011; Imagine I said something deep here...

Kumbamontu posted:

why not 6 guns? or 10?

why not zoidberg?

17 players, one claimed 3P, I assume there are four scum. One scum and one town is dead, 15 players, a 3P and three scum. Shoot five players and only hit town, it's MYLO. Except when I did the math in my head I thought it would be LYLO. So yeah, give me six guns.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:29

Quidthulhu: Dec 17, 2003; Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

Help I am confused of game

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:38

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

The timeline has been changed!

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:40

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Byers2142 posted:

First, Mithross has spent more than half of his time in the game talking mechanics, not alignment. That's an easy subject for scum to hide in, because the game mechanics are alignment-neutral. The game works the same for both sides.

The mechanics are alignment neutral, but our goals are very, very different. It's important to keep talking about the game mechanics and the board/card game aspect of what we're playing. Half my posts is still as much as most other players have total, so that's a specious argument.
In addition, my timeline reward specifically makes me better at the card portion of the game, so it's something I have a vested interest in.

Byers2142 posted:

Finally, he's the next to last vote on WWM, but the vote was made as an aside. Not once did he make a solid call on WWM's alignment, he just offered rationalization for why WWM could be town. And less than five minutes later, WWM self-votes after having not posted in the thread for hours. The timing of it feels like scumbros talking in a doc, deciding that WWM needs to self-vote, and not paying enough attention to stagger the votes more.

I never made an alignment call, because I didn't have one to make. It was day 1, close to deadline, and we had no other lynch, so I voted. I thought it was unlikely WWM had pulled such a gambit, but admitted it was possible. So yes, I fell for it, and am dumb.

Do you have a read on anyone other than me? I'm down to talk about other people, while you wait for anyone else to show up in the thread to talk about how you think I'm scummy.

Quid is worrying me, and that post didn't help. He made what I read as a joke post, but LUTR took seriously. We talked a little about how it might be serious, then he said he would scumhunt and disappeared for two real days, only to come back with that.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:42

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

AnonymousNarcotics posted:

If you save abe I can patch 1868

Now's your chance! Impeach that president who's life we just saved!

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:43

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

The Awful app is loving up so I'm having difficulty reading post histories but Anon's "I'm so bad at Mafia" post is maybe the worst in the game so far.

Couple that with the fact that Somber died last night, I remember anon saying if she's playing scum against a town Somber, he'd be her first kill because he's so polarizing and makes so much happen if he flips late game.

I'm gonna check this more closely when I'm near a computer but if anyone feels like checking her interactions with WWM that'd be super cool of you.

##vote anonymous narcotics

# ? Jul 27, 2015 22:28