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ErIog posted:The right wing media fixation on PP at the moment is really disconcerting. They are working themselves up into a frenzy about this, and that means we're going to get some ridiculous overreaction that could end up loving over PP, science researchers, and people who want to donate tissue. And all of this right before the government shutdown fight which means we're gonna get more stupid bullshit from the Teahadists over it.
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Bunleigh posted:I really hate that "the government shutdown" is just a regularly-occurring event now that we all have to live with because republicans. Just like mass shootings, and for the same reason even. 
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Jul 30, 2015 21:07
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It's not the fault of Republicans that human misery is the only way to sustain their unlife.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:It's not the fault of Republicans that human misery is the only way to sustain their unlife. So Satan?
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Here's part 4 http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...od-intensifies/ quote:The Planned Parenthood affiliate for which Ginde works says that it declined to move forward with the proposal outlined in the footage, in which actors said they represented the company BioMax. "We rejected them because their plans violated the fundamental legal and ethical standards by which we operate" To which the response is "Nu-uh! You totally kept in touch with us to sell us baby parts, just try and prove us wrong! Prove that you rejected our contract in writing, PROVE IT OR YOUR BABY ORGAN SELLERS!" This is at the level of approaching a PP rep, passing over a contract for them to increase their abortions by 1000% and when PP walks away from the table in disgust then saying "Well they never said in writing they opposed it, so clearly they want to do it" Literally, at every loving level PP has made sure that they in no way shape or form break any laws and hold themselves to the highest medical ethical standards. If this ends with PP being defunded then burn every GOP leader at the stake. pentyne fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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At this point I am perplexed. If they were legitimately under any moral compulsion to end abortion why lie so loving hard about their opponents?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:At this point I am perplexed. If they were legitimately under any moral compulsion to end abortion why lie so loving hard about their opponents? They are scum that want to gently caress over women they have literally no ethics to hamper them.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:At this point I am perplexed. If they were legitimately under any moral compulsion to end abortion why lie so loving hard about their opponents? it's not lying if you sincerely believe your opponents drink the blood of infants and you just need to cut out the 99% of scruff to get to the 1% of statements which clearly indicate they thirst for infant blood
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's not lying if you sincerely believe your opponents drink the blood of infants and you just need to cut out the 99% of scruff to get to the 1% of statements which clearly indicate they thirst for infant blood Good point
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's not lying if you sincerely believe your opponents drink the blood of infants and you just need to cut out the 99% of scruff to get to the 1% of statements which clearly indicate they thirst for infant blood Costanza logic seems like it could apply to a lot of conservative principles.
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So some rightwing "youth" project asked for video submissions of millennials calling for the defunding of planned parenthood to make into a montage to show that young people are against abortion. They got 13 people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhgDpTgpKA
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Is 13 a lot? Like letters to television studios, 1 = 100 or something.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:So some rightwing "youth" project asked for video submissions of millennials calling for the defunding of planned parenthood to make into a montage to show that young people are against abortion. "Hmm, I don't know about this Planned Parenthood stuff, they seem pretty above board and what they're being accused of doesn't entirely make sense. Oh, a young person thinks we should defund them? Well poo poo, I guess they sell ground up babies."
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MariusLecter posted:Is 13 a lot? Like letters to television studios, 1 = 100 or something. Ok so 1300 out of 75.3 million
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Liberal hippies eat placentas after giving birth, surely they would pay for this product!
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MariusLecter posted:Is 13 a lot? Like letters to television studios, 1 = 100 or something. If we're talking millennials I doubt it's even that. Hopefully
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I love how the anti-abortion people like to push a talking point that millenials are going to end abortion because more of them identify as "pro-life," when if you look at polling on the actual issue of abortion rather than the nebulous concept of "pro-life" the numbers are totally unchanged from previous generations.
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My favorite thing about the abortion debate is how the anti-abortion side always paints the opposition as abortion fanatics who love the practice and want to just conceive babies all day so that they can abort them because reasons. I mean, outside of the few outliers there are on literally every issue, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who actually likes abortion. It's a horrible thing, and it's a choice a woman should never have to make, but we're not living in a perfect world and sometimes it's a necessary evil. Of course, the best way to reduce abortion would be to promote contraceptive use and thorough, informative sex ed in schools. The anti-abortion people for the most part never get behind those things though. Funny, that...
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Mel Mudkiper posted:At this point I am perplexed. If they were legitimately under any moral compulsion to end abortion why lie so loving hard about their opponents? The ends justify the means. It's like invading a country and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians so you can liberate them from the tyrannical leader that had killed hundreds of them over the past few decades.
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This isn't exactly crazy right-wing media, but the fact that an online county newspaper in blood-red Wyoming acknowledged in the headline that voting fraud is rare is noteworthy. http://county10.com/2015/07/29/dubois-woman-charged-with-rare-voting-fraud-crimes/
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Jul 31, 2015 01:58
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Star Man posted:This isn't exactly crazy right-wing media, but the fact that an online county newspaper in blood-red Wyoming acknowledged in the headline that voting fraud is rare is noteworthy. It could just as easily be the case that a liberal journalism grad had to look really hard for a job so they get their digs in when they can.
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Maybe. But it is read by a lot of people that vote straight R every election. You take what you can get.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:At this point I am perplexed. If they were legitimately under any moral compulsion to end abortion why lie so loving hard about their opponents? I don't follow. They're under a moral compulsion, therefore they're right, so if they have to stage things a certain way to show people the truth then yeah sure maybe they're stretching a little but there's no harm in that. They can't be lying, they're the good guys.
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Chantilly Say posted:I don't follow. They're under a moral compulsion, therefore they're right, so if they have to stage things a certain way to show people the truth then yeah sure maybe they're stretching a little but there's no harm in that. They can't be lying, they're the good guys.
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The right wing pro-life movement is roundly okay with George Tiller being murdered in his church. Of course they don't care about lying as long as it achieves their goal of making abortions illegal.
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Does anyone have that chart of Effective Ways To Reduce Abortion vs. What Anti-Abortionists Actually Do?
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Honestly it should probably be in the OP with all the planned parenthood poo poo going down.
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Here, have a bad joke Obama actually sentient hamburger? Democrat witch Michelle Obama's attempts to ban burgers all over America! Add more crazy if needed.
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Mister Adequate posted:Does anyone have that chart of Effective Ways To Reduce Abortion vs. What Anti-Abortionists Actually Do? Here you go:  On a similar note, I recommend Libby Anne's classic article: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhJ04_vz568 Here have a lovely Todd Starnes video. It really should be a drinking game with some of these quotes. "WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE FROM THE MEDIA ABOUT THIS VIDEO!?!" "WE HAD A PETTY POLITICIAN STOP A BILL FROM DEFUNDING PLANNED PARENTHOOD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PETTY POLITICS" "OUR COUNTRY HAS LOST IT'S MORAL COMPASS" "HAVE WE BECOME A BARBARIC NATION? BILL O'REILLY SAYS SO" Is Todd Starnes pro-lion killing? I mean he must, after all he seems to care more about Abortion and loving over LGBT rights than talking about conservation of wildlife!
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Jurgan posted:Here you go: That's been around for ten years and the depressing part is that people have gotten nuttier about it; the first row is no longer relevant because we're at the point where women who've had miscarriages may be charged for homicide.
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Antti posted:That's been around for ten years and the depressing part is that people have gotten nuttier about it; the first row is no longer relevant because we're at the point where women who've had miscarriages may be charged for homicide. The depressing part is that they're acting more rationally and consistently than before, and getting away with it, yeah.
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Chantilly Say posted:The depressing part is that they're acting more rationally and consistently than before, and getting away with it, yeah. Rape exceptions have always seemed hypocritical to me. If you believe abortion is murder, it shouldn't matter how the baby was conceived. Guys like Todd Akin have gotten a lot of flak for opposing rape exceptions, but really they're just following the rhetoric of the pro-life movement to its logical endpoint. So I actually have less respect for politicians who want abortion illegal except for rape victims, because they can't have any motive other than controlling women's sex lives.
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Jurgan posted:Rape exceptions have always seemed hypocritical to me. If you believe abortion is murder, it shouldn't matter how the baby was conceived. Guys like Todd Akin have gotten a lot of flak for opposing rape exceptions, but really they're just following the rhetoric of the pro-life movement to its logical endpoint. So I actually have less respect for politicians who want abortion illegal except for rape victims, because they can't have any motive other than controlling women's sex lives. That's a very interesting point and I generally agree with you. Rape exceptions are resorted to by pro-life politicians because it is instantly and emotionally relatable to even men that forcing a woman to have a child resulting from a rape is a reprehensible thing. However, instead of thinking "okay, maybe abortion is not murder, and we need to make a judgement call in favour of the mother in some cases", they shut off their moral thinking - if they had any in the first place - and go for the rape exception policy because of political expedience. And then you have big honking morons like Akin who try to navigate it by arguing that a rape exception is not necessary not because murder is wrong, but because if you got pregnant you were not really raped. It directly exposes the ethos behind his thinking, which is not that abortion is a moral wrong, but that women should be held accountable for having (the wrong kind of) sex. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jurgan posted:Rape exceptions have always seemed hypocritical to me. If you believe abortion is murder, it shouldn't matter how the baby was conceived. Guys like Todd Akin have gotten a lot of flak for opposing rape exceptions, but really they're just following the rhetoric of the pro-life movement to its logical endpoint. So I actually have less respect for politicians who want abortion illegal except for rape victims, because they can't have any motive other than controlling women's sex lives. I just figure it's a compromise. Some anti-choicers want no abortion ever, but they know that doesn't necessarily win, so they're willing to get part of what they want.
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It's kind of unbelievable that there are still people in 2015 who are against contraception.
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Phone posted:Oh you think that police killing people is bad? If you really cared, you'd be more concerned with crime in Chicago, etc. I'm guessing this particular talking point must have full saturation on Fox News etc. right now? Because I'm hearing it very frequently out of the mouths of people around me these days. Who are all Fox News junkies.
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Zwabu posted:I'm guessing this particular talking point must have full saturation on Fox News etc. right now? Because I'm hearing it very frequently out of the mouths of people around me these days. Who are all Fox News junkies. I've been hearing that one for years, especially when abortion or a black person getting killed are in the news.
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Bunleigh posted:It's kind of unbelievable that there are still people in 2015 who are against contraception. There are vocal fringe groups in the news who seriously believe it's the holy duty of the white race to outbreed the brown and black people. And one of the largest religious organizations in the world forbids contraception because they think if you aren't trying to make children you shouldn't be having sex at all.
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