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TwoPair posted:Master of Kung Fu #4: Shang-Chi fights his evil dad. Someone's been watching Sozen's Comet recently.
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I'm kinda torn on the art, because it's very well drawn and staged, but Shang Chi and Fu Manchu look like Liu Kang and Shang Tsung, so it's coming off to me like a Mortal Kombat spinoff.
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Aug 16, 2015 18:44
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Silhouette posted:I'm kinda torn on the art, because it's very well drawn and staged, but Shang Chi and Fu Manchu look like Liu Kang and Shang Tsung, so it's coming off to me like a Mortal Kombat spinoff. That's exactly what I thought it was until someone said it wasn't.
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Aug 16, 2015 20:16
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They're pretty much all homages to the same things, so that makes sense.
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Aug 16, 2015 20:29
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Silhouette posted:I'm kinda torn on the art, because it's very well drawn and staged, but Shang Chi and Fu Manchu look like Liu Kang and Shang Tsung, so it's coming off to me like a Mortal Kombat spinoff. Fu Manchu, as stated a post or two ago, also looks strongly like the antagonist from Avatar: The Last Airbender and that entire scene has lots of little touches taken directly from the climax of the show. There's a lot of "homages" going on here.
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Aug 16, 2015 20:34
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Nilbop posted:Someone's been watching Sozen's Comet recently. Yeah but that dude is fuckin' dead.
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Aug 16, 2015 21:28
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Opopanax posted:They're pretty much all homages to the same things, so that makes sense. Yeah, Shang Tsung is a pretty blatant Fu Manchu copy, and I don't think I need to explain who Shang Chi and Liu Kang are modeled off of.
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Aug 16, 2015 22:15
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There's not a delicious ham thread, so this thread will have to do. If you're planning on reading Loki, Agent of Asgard, skip this post. If you're not planning on reading it, buy Marvel Unlimited, read it anyway on that and skip this post. The following are taken from Loki: Agent of Asgard #5. Teen Loki is working for Asgard in an attempt to erase previous stories about him so he can change his future (Asgardians are beings of story). Recently the All-Mother has been getting Loki to round up various Asgardians still on Midgard, so Loki is breaking into Asgard to find out why.      Yes, old Loki who burned is evil, but dammit, he's just so awesome when he chews up the scenery like this. I really like Ewing's run so far, but his Mighty Avengers didn't grab me.
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Aug 21, 2015 13:42
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Two things: 1. I am hearing some combination of Marvel Heroes Loki and Valkyrie Profile Loki with Old Loki. Like, listen to "The True Nature of All", and tell me it doesn't go with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-gGaszqikI 2.What is going on with Old Loki's mouth? He could conceivably take off Young Loki's head in one bite, I swear it. And his lips are completely gone!(There's probably a Chew the Scenery joke here, but...) Bloodly fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2015 14:44
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Having your lips sewn shut doesn't do much good for your face, no.
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Aug 21, 2015 14:53
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Bloodly posted:Two things: You know how Ultimate Nick Fury is Sam Jackson? Well Old Loki is Mick Jagger.
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Aug 21, 2015 14:57
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Man, Loki's plot is such a Meta thing but it is an absurdly depressing meta-thing. (in a good way.)
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Aug 21, 2015 22:04
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I love the idea that Hot Teen Loki is just a passing fad and inevitably he'll go back to silly hornhats and maniacal laughter and destroying the 9 Realms because he's Loki, and that's what he do.
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Aug 22, 2015 08:14
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Wapole Languray posted:I love the idea that Hot Teen Loki is just a passing fad and inevitably he'll go back to silly hornhats and maniacal laughter and destroying the 9 Realms because he's Loki, and that's what he do. Loki's aim is to do the same thing over and over and over and over and over... Definition of Insanity and what not.
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Aug 22, 2015 08:42
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Wapole Languray posted:I love the idea that Hot Teen Loki is just a passing fad and inevitably he'll go back to silly hornhats and maniacal laughter and destroying the 9 Realms because he's Loki, and that's what he do. Wait, didn't we already do that plot point with Actually Nice Kid Loki? I don't follow those comics, so I'm confused.
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Aug 22, 2015 08:55
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FredMSloniker posted:Wait, didn't we already do that plot point with Actually Nice Kid Loki? I don't follow those comics, so I'm confused. Identity issues are a recurring theme for Lokis. Recurring themes are also a recurring theme for Norse gods in general. 
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Aug 22, 2015 09:06
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End of the Loki arc has him reconcile with his old self, and instead of embracing evil, decides to embrace mischief and change. It's really a fantastic ending to the whole thing and implies that new Loki will be less about evil petty schemes and more of a troublemaker (not evil though!) In fact the whole final issue could belong in the "touching and inspiring panel" thread
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Aug 22, 2015 09:07
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Goddamn this is such a good page.
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Aug 22, 2015 09:12
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The last few posts remind me, have there been any evil characters in comics that turned good/started over/basically stopped being jerks and... stayed that way? Without being dragged back into it or rendered non-canon by petulant writers? I just have a thing about dudes realizing "this being evil thing isn't working" and trying to unfuck their situation, like Megatron. Though I'm sure that one isn't going to stick either.
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Aug 22, 2015 09:19
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Good old Abner Jenkins and Melissa Gold have done pretty well I feel.
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Aug 22, 2015 09:24
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It's a lot easier for minor villians.
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Aug 22, 2015 09:28
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Deadpool started as a villain, even if he was just a one-note mercenary with very few appearances before he started reforming. I also remember there's some immortal in the Sonic comics that decided he was tired of being beaten and would just kick up his feet and wait for his enemies to die of old age.
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Aug 22, 2015 09:38
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Doom was never truly a villain, only the hero of his people.
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Aug 22, 2015 10:03
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Rogue, Emma Frost, and Venom immediately spring to mind. Also Hawkeye, though his was such a quick turnaround it barely counts.
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Aug 22, 2015 10:10
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Is Magneto still an anti hero? That's been for a surprisingly long amount of time. Allow me to quote myself from ages ago for content related to that:WickedHate posted:
Magn-ificent.
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Aug 22, 2015 10:18
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When did Venom make a turnaround? I thought he only tolerated working with Spidey if Carnage was involved? Jesus, am I out of the loop.
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Aug 22, 2015 10:25
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Malachite_Dragon posted:When did Venom make a turnaround? I thought he only tolerated working with Spidey if Carnage was involved? Jesus, am I out of the loop. It got bonded to Flash Thompson after the latter lost his legs in Iraq, and together they were Agent Venom, United States marine.  Then Bendis retconned things so that the other symbiotes aren't evil, having Flash join the Guardians of the Galaxy and get the symbiote cured of whatever made it  all the time. Now together they are Agent Venom, space marine.
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Aug 22, 2015 10:32
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Space knight.
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Aug 22, 2015 15:25
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Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are also pretty famous examples. I don't usually like it when a great villain reforms, because it undercuts the sense of mythic tragedy to the character and particularly their opposition dynamic to the hero. We love the villain's style, potential, and in many cases are sympathetic to them so we want them to reform, but they possess a tragic flaw that prevents them from doing so. For Magneto, Doom, Loki, etc. to truly reform would be to create an ally for the hero with the potential to create utopia, and it is the great tragedy of humanity that neither the heroes nor the villains can truly reconcile that potential. Plus when reform is done it's usually in the name of marketing merchandise to adolescents going through a phase where they feel so tortured and deep but cling to a redemption fantasy and style themselves accordingly. Good money if you can make it, I'm sure, but it's not surprising that once the market there dries up and moves on to the next tortured anti-hero the characters make a sharp rebound into villain territory unless they're not popular enough for anyone to care either way. Doesn't take away from those Loki pages being  though. Seriously that's some good stuff.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:When did Venom make a turnaround? I thought he only tolerated working with Spidey if Carnage was involved? Jesus, am I out of the loop. Eddie's a complicated guy, so I'm not sure if that's what X-O was talking about.
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Aug 22, 2015 16:53
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Lurdiak posted:Eddie's a complicated guy Man, you already used the Shaft punchline the other day. Now what am I supposed to do? 
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Aug 22, 2015 19:17
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Gavok! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your... ... post?
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Aug 22, 2015 20:14
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ArchRanger posted:Deadpool started as a villain, even if he was just a one-note mercenary with very few appearances before he started reforming. Deadpool is still a Villain. He's a flat up murderer for hire. It's just that the internet 4chan/reddit types have latched onto him and as a result he's devolved to "Deadpool: Troll of Marvel". Hell, even during his 'redemption' ark during the Joe Kelly run of his series, he's clearly a very broken person you're supposed to be terrified of. Sure he jokes around and whatnot but like any other psycho out there his personality can switch at a drop of pin and he just starts murdering. I'd argue he isn't even reformed now. It's just that the current fanbase love to play up the whole Comical Deadpool taking the piss side of things that they really gloss over all of the excessively violent poo poo he does without any real level of remorse. I really hope there's a scene in the new film that's like the elevator one from Drive. Where he just snaps and mashes a guys face into excessively graphic pulp, played completely straight and not for laughs. If only to hear all the "fans" getting butthurt that it's not what their Deadpool would do. I should point out that my irritation is spurred by those 4chan/redditers in my office gushing about the new movie whilst having never actually read a Deadpool comic. 
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Kin posted:Deadpool is still a Villain. He's a flat up murderer for hire. It's just that the internet 4chan/reddit types have latched onto him and as a result he's devolved to "Deadpool: Troll of Marvel". You should read the latest run as he has changed from being an Villain to being closer to Wolverine. He is going to be joining the Avengers and has become good friends with Cap.
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Aug 22, 2015 20:33
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Deadpool has been on "team antihero" since Gail Simone's run--not that she did anything specifically that I can recall, just that he hasn't been a sincere villain for any prolonged capacity since then.
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Aug 22, 2015 20:44
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Captain Bravo posted:Gavok! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your... *another post magically pops up* mind the walrus posted:Deadpool has been on "team antihero" since Gail Simone's run--not that she did anything specifically that I can recall, just that he hasn't been a sincere villain for any prolonged capacity since then. I'd actually concede that Daniel Way's Deadpool was arguably more villain than antihero because Way is a bad writer who doesn't understand such concepts as characterization, character development and payoff. But as of the moment Deadpool told off Wolverine early on in Uncanny X-Force, I'd say he became an actual hero. He didn't just have a conscience. He was X-Force's conscience. bobkatt013 posted:You should read the latest run as he has changed from being an Villain to being closer to Wolverine. He is going to be joining the Avengers and has become good friends with Cap. More importantly, Deadpool will be funding the Avengers.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:26
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On a similar note, who are some of the established heroes that became villains and stayed that way? Ultimate Reed Richards/The Maker is a pretty great one, the idea of Evil Reed Richards doing all this scary physical poo poo really weirds me out:
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Aug 22, 2015 21:57
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Flesh Forge posted:On a similar note, who are some of the established heroes that became villains and stayed that way? Ultimate Reed Richards/The Maker is a pretty great one, the idea of Evil Reed Richards doing all this scary physical poo poo really weirds me out: Phil Urich Green Goblin/Hobgoblin comes to mind.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:16
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Gavok posted:Man, you already used the Shaft punchline the other day. Now what am I supposed to do? *Comes scrambling into the publisher's office* Boss, I got it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7V_UNmCAro
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I can't think of any heroes who stayed villains beyond Ultimate Reed Richards because hack writers love pumping the redemption arc and even if they don't there's always a pet fanbase who will stomp and complain until they get their way (hi Hal Jordan fans!).
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