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Leavemywife posted:I probably should have mentioned that. All the characters in this game have their original voice actors, which kind of surprised me when I first played. Bottom screen for at least one video would be nice, but for the most part, top only is fine.
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Oh wow, the Nostalgia of seeing an old game I've played now being played. Can't wait for The Raditz fight kicking your shins in. All in all, I hope you show how silly the end game gets. I will say one quick thing about the stats, just from my own experience... Speed seems to dictate accuracy/evasion more-so than Tech does... then again it's hard to tell without cracking the game's code itself, and I'd rather not be doing things like so. 
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StrifeHira posted:I'd actually recommend watching the anime, as odd as it might sound. The anime of "Dragon Ball" proper uses its filler fairly well to expand and improve upon certain scenes and events that happen in the manga. Less grunting and shouting, more character development and ensemble focus. I mean, YAMCHA gets to save the day in Dragon Ball filler. Think about that. Oh it does? Fascinating, thank you. I was beginning to think Rurouni Kenshin's anime (to extent) was the only anime to make a good use of filler. Even though chances are I was going to go look up the episode where Goku and Giran fight... I like Giran, even though he's pretty insignificant.
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And I don't believe Dragon Ball has the pacing problems Z had, because Z was when catching up started to become a real problem.
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Uhhh nobody ever died in the series, guys. They were all sent to another dimension. Get your facts straight.
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Sworder posted:Uhhh nobody ever died in the series, guys. They were all sent... TO ANOTHER DIMENSION. Get your facts straight. ftfy. ...on the highway to HFIL.....
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Danaru posted:Don't worry, I can see their parachutes. They're okay. Pfeh, really? Remind me to get this guy dewormed...
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Danaru posted:Don't worry, I can see their parachutes. They're okay. No no no, he only blew up the cargo robot. But the cargo was people.
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I stopped playing Dragon Ball Z games at the Game Boy Advance time period, and kinda gave up on mobile gaming at the DS stage. Hell, I rarely even turn on my console anymore. But this looks pretty friggin' cool, and I'm eager to see where this goes!
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I've always been curious about this game and thought it was a shame it didn't get a follow up sequel or two or three to properly cover the whole of DBZ. Excited to see more, since I didn't know it started off with some Dragonball content. I'm honestly hoping more people LP some DBZ games because the SNES card-rpg thing is really interesting and the GBC game Legendary Super Warriors was pretty rad too.
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My only real beef with this game over time was that there never really seemed to be any real point in using regular attacks, especially later on. It might've been my stat layouts but trying to do anything with regular attacks from any given character on enemies that I didn't massively outclass was pretty much a wasted turn in what turned into Rocket Tag style battles. Not that it wasn't fun, mind, it just seemed odd. ...as for Yamcha having misses in his Wolf Fang Fist in game, gonna have to just go 'video game mechanics' seeing as how Wolf Fang Fist was literally the first special move Yamcha pulled out in the very, very beginning of Dragonball. It's almost always at least decent in the video games you can use it in, too.
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I mean roshi is basically immortal because he has the water of eternal youth or what not, he just takes a little sip of it to keep himself just old enough or something. In otherwords he is a loving douchebag.
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AtomikKrab posted:I mean roshi is basically immortal because he has the water of eternal youth or what not, he just takes a little sip of it to keep himself just old enough or something. well he would give everyone eternal life if he could, but the immortal phoenix died
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AtomikKrab posted:I mean roshi is basically immortal because he has the water of eternal youth or what not, he just takes a little sip of it to keep himself just old enough or something. Not basically, he's stopped aging, but he can still be killed See: King Piccolo. He in fact tries to bravado to Tien that he'll be fine since he can't be killed but admits that there's no such convenient thing in the world.
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Onmi posted:Not basically, he's stopped aging, but he can still be killed See: King Piccolo. He in fact tries to bravado to Tien that he'll be fine since he can't be killed but admits that there's no such convenient thing in the world. Except there is, you can literally go to shenron and wish to be immortal.
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AtomikKrab posted:Except there is, you can literally go to shenron and wish to be immortal. This was before anyone had wished for Immortality in Dragonball. Remember that Toriyama wrote this series by the seat of his pants. Even King Picollo wished for eternal youth, not immortality. He then KILLED Shenron. He also ate food, and could produce demons, and the souls he killed wouldn't pass on. In short, it's Dragonball.
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AtomikKrab posted:Except there is, you can literally go to shenron and wish to be immortal. Yeah, but if you think about all the people who seek immortality in the series, it seems to be a thing that only douchebags and galactic-conquering overlords have an eye on.
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Sworder posted:Uhhh nobody ever died in the series, guys. They were all sent to another dimension. Get your facts straight. Given how they treated the afterlife, that's accurate. People laugh at it, but it's still true.
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Alkarl posted:I would unironically love a Dragonball B Team adventure as a game. Maybe a game based on that adventure on Not-Actually-Namek with those fake Dragon Balls? Or Bulma killing crabs in the ocean.
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Onmi posted:and the souls he killed wouldn't pass on. This apparently doesn't apply to piccolo junior, otherwise Raditz would have never passed on (and got put in the Yama lock)
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MR. J posted:Immortal and invincible are two separate things last I checked. I don't think that's the case this time, I know Garlic Jr. wished for immortality, and they had to dunk him into a void because it wasn't possible to kill him.
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Junpei Hyde posted:This apparently doesn't apply to piccolo junior, otherwise Raditz would have never passed on (and got put in the Yama lock) Actually Kami says that is proof that Piccolo Jr. isn't as evil as his father, because him killing Goku and Raditz lead to them passing on.
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MR. J posted:Immortal and invincible are two separate things last I checked. Tell that to DB writers, cause they sure apparently don't know
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Onmi posted:Actually Kami says that is proof that Piccolo Jr. isn't as evil as his father, because him killing Goku and Raditz lead to them passing on. Oh OK. I just wanted to mention the Yama lock, which I thought the abridged series came up with until I rewatched DBZ.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Yeah, but if you think about all the people who seek immortality in the series, it seems to be a thing that only douchebags and galactic-conquering overlords have an eye on. In many ways Toriyama's storytelling isn't particularly innovative (I don't mean that as a negative); Goku, being a paragon of virtue, marries, has a family, and accepts that even he needs to die at some point. Piccolo starts life as a son/clone of Dragon Ball's version of the devil, who wished for eternal youth to stave off death and weakness, but after spending time training Gohan (and as people have noted, becoming something of a father to him) he reforms enough that he fearlessly (and somewhat stupidly) sacrifices himself to save his pupil. Vegeta starts out as a conquering, planet-killing space pirate, but then he starts to reform, marries, has a family, and, despite initially coming to earth in search of immortality, deliberately engineers a wish so that only innocents will be revived under the assumption that it'll keep him dead. In short, as far as the series is concerned, only evil people seek immortality because everyone good is well adjusted enough to realize that death isn't an ultimate evil that must be avoided at all costs. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Keeshhound posted:In many ways Toriyama's storytelling isn't particularly innovative (I don't mean that as a negative); Goku, being a paragon of virtue, marries, has a family, and accepts that even he needs to die at some point. Piccolo starts life as a son/clone of Dragon Ball's version of the devil, who wished for eternal youth to stave off death and weakness, but after spending time training Gohan (and as people have noted, becoming something of a father to him) he reforms enough that he fearlessly (and somewhat stupidly) sacrifices himself to save his pupil. Vegeta starts out as a conquering, planet-killing space pirate, but then he starts to reform, marries, has a family, and, despite initially coming to earth in search of immortality, deliberately engineers a wish so that only innocents will be revived under the assumption that it'll keep him dead. That's kind of the ultimate message of Harry Potter too. Voldemort seeks immortality because he's terrified of death and Harry ultimately overcomes him by accepting and eventually embracing death.
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Keeshhound posted:In many ways Toriyama's storytelling isn't particularly innovative (I don't mean that as a negative); Goku, being a paragon of virtue, marries, has a family, and accepts that even he needs to die at some point. Piccolo starts life as a son/clone of Dragon Ball's version of the devil, who so feared death that he wished for eternal youth, but after spending time training Gohan, he reforms enough that he fearlessly (and somewhat stupidly) sacrifices himself to save his pupil. Vegeta starts out as a conquering, planet-killing space pirate, but then he starts to reform, marries, has a family, and, despite initially coming to earth in search of immortality, deliberately engineers a wish so that only innocents will be revived under the assumption that it'll keep him dead. Here's the thing, that's more for the dub. Goku in the original while still being the hero is more of the Monkey King style hero. He lives for his own desires and pretty much only those. He'll be selfish at points, and do what he wants the way he wants to. He's still very heroic but Toriyama has always said that he's pure in the sense that he's never for a moment ever thought complex enough to really consider evil. He's pure in that same way Kid Buu is 'Pure' a creature of 'innocence'. Some Numbers posted:That's kind of the ultimate message of Harry Potter too. Voldemort seeks immortality because he's terrified of death and Harry ultimately overcomes him by accepting and eventually embracing death. I thought Harry overcame him by rules lawyering him to death after dicking around in a forest for half a loving book.
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Onmi posted:I thought Harry overcame him by rules lawyering him to death after dicking around in a forest for half a loving book. This is a completely accurate and hilarious summation of the final book.
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Onmi posted:Here's the thing, that's more for the dub. Goku in the original while still being the hero is more of the Monkey King style hero. He lives for his own desires and pretty much only those. He'll be selfish at points, and do what he wants the way he wants to. He's still very heroic but Toriyama has always said that he's pure in the sense that he's never for a moment ever thought complex enough to really consider evil. He's pure in that same way Kid Buu is 'Pure' a creature of 'innocence'. That still points to Toriyama seeing marriage, family and a healthy view of death as being innate to an unspoiled mind. Like I said, it's not a particularly innovative paradigm, but he uses it pretty consistently.
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Kid Goku killing the Red Ribbon army members was because they were bad guys. Bad guys killing people is because they're bad guys, obviously. Good guys can kill the bad guys. Of course the bad guys sometimes kill the good guys. Master Rabbit on the Moon with his two henchmen were there as a punishment. It wasn't life imprisonment. But Jackie Chun blew it up while they were on it. So he was the first good guy to kill innocent people. On the topic of immortality now. Master Roshi is immortal. He cannot die of old age. He was 323 years old when he died for the first time. He got better. Garlic Jr. is the only character that cannot die.
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IAmTheRad posted:Master Rabbit on the Moon with his two henchmen were there as a punishment. It wasn't life imprisonment. But Jackie Chun blew it up while they were on it. So he was the first good guy to kill innocent people. "Innocent", my foot.
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Akira Toriyama handwaved that though, and more or less said they were ok.
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Update Three: Orin Temple's Fighters Defeated! Can Krillin Restore Honor To The Temple!? Howdy, folks, and welcome back! Last time, on Attack of the Saiyans, Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha graduated from Master Roshi's training by defeating Jackie Chun. Who is Roshi, so they really graduated by defeating Roshi. In this update, Krillin is going solo to revisit his old stomping grounds, so let's head out.   We'll be in East City today, where Orin Temple is located.  Orin Temple is where Krillin was originally training, before he met Goku and went to train under Master Roshi.   : I guess we were kind of rough on my old training partners at the last tournament, huh? Oh, well...I'm sure they've forgiven me by now! Let's see what they're up to! We'll have to wait a minute for that, Krillin. There are NPCs to chat with!  There's a lot of NPC chatter in this game, and a lot of it changes after certain events and milestones in the story. I don't think I'll be showing it all off, since that is a lot of checking up on little poo poo, and I'm not crazy about the idea of hunting down some random old man to see if he says anything different (that doesn't relate to what happened at all) when Goku appears.  Can someone tell me what chop-socky Chinese is? I'm afraid to Google it.  This is part of the reason why I'm afraid to.  These raise the TC stat. I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be named Skill, and may have been in the Japanese version, so I'm not sure why it was changed for the stat, but not on the fruits that affect it.  Everyone training at Orin Temple is bald. It's bizarre to see someone with hair there.  This is the little shop directly to the right of the meat bun stand. I didn't take very good shots to show that off, but I can't imagine any of you are particularly concerned about that.  Every now and again, we'll encounter areas that have these arrows, which indicate we can go up or down.  Climbing ladders is too mundane for our characters, though. They just jump that poo poo.  That's two separate jumps, by the way. Not sure why you couldn't just jump to the top of the building, considering we can friggin' fly, but who am I to question these decisions?  I'm pretty sure that was the one heavily featured in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.  ...Shouldn't you be in school?    That shop right there is one we can visit; it's our first visit to a shop, and they sell a wide variety of items.   We can't just pass by it, though. It's our first shop and all, so the game makes sure you know they're around.   It's pretty standard fare in here; healing items and ailment curing items.  As well as revival items.  And items to boost your Rage Gauge. The Resist Seal at the bottom raises your ailment resistance for a few turns during battle.  In the second tab, we have the equipment of the game. Each character can equip two accessories and they have a wide variety of effects. The Fighter's Scheme raises the chance of chain attacks by 3%. We haven't seen a chain attack yet, as they're pretty rare, but they're an extra, high-powered attack, at the end of a regular physical. When I say high-powered, I mean high-powered; if a regular physical is doing 10, a chain will do around 25 in a single hit.  And a wide variety of rings to raise ailment resistances, as well as the stone highlighted in this shot. Instant-kill attacks aren't too common, but they do exist. However, if you're good with your Advance Guards, you'll probably not fall to any of those.  And, finally, she has a capsule for sale that raises enemy encounter rates. It's pretty expensive, but it can work well if you're trying to grind out some levels or AP. It also changes the sound you make when you walk around on the map.  Outside of the shop, this woman notices Krillin is so bald that not even a hat covers it.  Shops may not have an interior you can wander around, but there are random houses you can just walk into.  Which people are pretty cool with, I guess. I'm not sure if I would be.  And, yes, there is an assload of flavor text all around this place.  This game is pretty generous, but unobtrusive, about making sure you know about the various systems in play.  It won't ram a tutorial down your throat, which is fantastic. For Advance Guarding and things like that, it'll tell you about the existence of them and leave it up to you to figure out how they work and to master the systems. It's a good way to teach you how to play, since it leaves the learning up to you.  NPCs are good about these bits of information, and if they don't teach you something, they're usually going to tell you something interesting or amusing.  Case in point, this little doggy.   G-G-G-Ghosts!?     But what about that other door?  It must be a horrible stench if fruits that make you faster spawn here.  Either this cat got into it, or it's just tweaking on catnip.  It also runs around the map at super-speed.  Earthling Strike, which we used against Jackie Chun, is one such example of these moves. There are a ton of them in the game.    It makes sense for a boy who lives this close to the Orin Temple to have a fascination with training. Especially when you considering the abilities that martial arts can give you in this setting.  Things are amiss at the temple, so we should probably check into that.   Well, maybe this is a little more than "amiss."   At least this guy is alive.  In his defense, it has been a few years since Krillin was around, and he's both taller and stronger since the last time he was here. I'm sure plenty of young men come through here, too.    : But what happened, Master?  : A warrior appeared out of nowhere...I heard a voice say "I'm taking your dojo down!", and the next thing I knew, this happened! : ...T-take your dojo down!? : Y-yes...As you know, our temple has a distaste for needless battle...Your fellow students refused to fight him without any good reason, at first...: Oof! This is terrible! Master! Where did the fighter run off to?: Y-you aren't actually thinking about pursuing the fighter, are you?  With that line, we fade to black...  ...As Krillin readies himself for battle.  : And you're a far bigger puss than any of them! If you faced that fiend all by yourself...Koff koff koff!: I'm not the fighter I used to be, Master!: No...? Well, if you insist upon it, I'm not going to stop you...But please be careful! Don't let the fighter's appearance fool you!: Master...You have nothing to worry about. Just wait until you see some of the poo poo in that forest. It's a wonder it hasn't taken over the city.  With that cutscene over, we can go and chat with the other downed monks.  You got your poo poo pushed in, bro.  So, we're looking for a fighter that doesn't look like a fighter.  If we see this guy in there, we'll have to kick his rear end.   Ah, that must be our mysterious fighter!  However, the fighter doesn't stick around. But we're on the case!  Let's avenge Orin Temple!   JESUS CHRIST   One thing I've found here that's frustrating is the lack of a bestiary online. Some enemies have their HP values out there, but none that we've encountered.   The Tiger isn't too tough of an opponent, but his attacks have a fair bit of power behind them.  He also doesn't have a ton of attacks. This one, however, is the stronger of his two; it did around 70 damage to Krillin, through his Advance Guard.  They drop a fair bit of EXP, too. This isn't a bad place to pump some levels into Krillin, if you'd like.  There's also a couple of treasures scattered about here, hidden in the trees.  Rather than using a machete, Krillin uses his Destructo Disc to cut through plant barriers.   I'm saving all of these fruits for a specific character.  On our way forward, we encounter another of the forest's inhabitants.  Yeah, a giant goddamned panda.  Who will shoot you in the goddamned face.  This attack pops up really quick, so if you're not on top of things, you'll miss the guard and eat a ton of damage.  He can also slash you with his claws for moderate damage.  At first, I wasn't going to use this shot, but then I realized I have very few occasions where I can say, "And then I posted the picture of a bear being Kamehameha'd." I can't turn that opportunity down.  Krillin gained himself a level here, and got the basic Power and Skill boosts.  There are some obstacles here that don't have a point to destroying them. This area is short, but it helps teach you about destructible objects in dungeons, as the Training Island did, but this also shows you that, sometimes, you have paths to follow to find your loot.   The game is pretty generous with healing items, which is very nice. Krillin only has around 400 HP at this point in time, so finding a 75% heal is nothing to sneeze at.  And our final new enemy of the day shows up.  I don't know where this guy is from, but it's not Orin, since he has his hair.  He's got some strong attacks, too. Like most things in the Bump Forest.  Including a gently caress-off energy blast.  In both long-range and point-blank flavors.  Other than that, he doesn't have much going for him. He's easy to take down and his reward isn't too shabby.  We can also encounter Ghosts in here, like at the Training Island, but none appeared for me while I was in here.  By the way, this screen comprises half of this dungeon. Well, more like three-quarters, since the next screen is just some dialog and a boss fight.   Ah, there's our mysterious fighter!   Yeah, most of the time, those little emotion bubbles are superfluous.   This is not a surprise, Krillin. I mean, viewers, you and I are seeing tiny little sprites, and we all knew it was a woman. Krillin, presumably, has a better view than we do, and how the hell did you miss that?    : Maybe I did, maybe I didn't! What you do if I did, huh?: ...Well, what do you think? I'll uphold the honor of Orin...And defeat you where you stand!: I bet you would! If people find out I destroyed Orin, you never live down the shame...You fighters are not as good as you say you are...: Why, you...! Krillin rushes Paopao, ready to fight!  Well, that put a banana in his tailpipe.   Oh, God, it was a trick!   Yeah, she actually gets a sneak attack on us here. :  To see the fight in motion, click here! She's got a few different attacks to use against us here. She's got a bunch of HP, too, and her attacks have some power behind them.  She can also create a shockwave with her sword.   Unguarded, that poo poo hurts.  However, as long as you're careful, keep your health high and Guard as attacks come, you should come out find.  Her final attack is an elemental based on, also using her sword.  Utilizing that card, she uses it to blast us with energy.  It also lights Krillin on gently caress-fire.  My strategy for this fight was to blast her with my strongest attacks; I only have Rengeki and the Kamehameha, so I didn't have a ton of options.  Chances are, you won't squeak through this entire fight without having to heal, but that Medium Bean we found earlier does an admirable job of keeping Krillin in fighting shape.  There isn't much to this fight, so let's skip to the end.   Krillin gained two levels from this fight, which gave us 4 points to spend after the fight.  We also made 400z.  : I...I sorry! I surrender...: All right...get up.: ...You a kind man. You going easy on me, too.: …..: Why you do that?  : Well, if you don't wanna say why, you don't have to, but...: ...I want people to recognize me. I have sister... She beautiful, and a talented fighter, too. She not have my accent, either. Ever since I young, people always compare me to her...I hate it. My father only care about her...She so much better than me. So I run away from home, because I show her one day. I thought my dad would recognize me if I polish my skills and beat my sister's strength. But no good...There so many people out there stronger than me. The accent thing worked better in Japanese, I'm sure. Having an accent in the US, barring those from Georgia and Arkansas, doesn't make you sound like you're mentally feeble.  Oh, Paopao, he hangs out with Goku. He knows exactly how you feel. As does everyone else around Goku.  : I wound up leaving Orin Temple because I couldn't stand it anymore. : ...Really?: Uh-huh. I poured that shame into my training, and that's what made me grow. Of course, I've still got a while to go, but...So I think I understand where you're coming from, okay?  I dunno, Krillin. She did wander in off the street and beat the asses of a temple full of monks. That's mighty impressive.   Well, considering you're an original character made for this game and that these events didn't happen in the manga or anime, it probably doesn't really matter what Krillin does here.    Holy crap, that was a lot of dialog. No wonder I didn't do much transcription before.  Note: the next time we see here, it is unknown if she's stronger than ever.    I'm not sure where home would be for you, Krillin. You're out on a journey to test the skills Roshi taught you. I guess, if anywhere, the Kame House is your home.  “I heard all about how you got beat up by a girl!”   I like to think Krillin is just laughing at the master.   : So you really did it...You used to be such a wimp, but look how you've grown. Master Roshi's training has been a tremendous experience for you, no doubt...I guess Orin Temple wasn't good enough to take advantage of your talents... : I couldn't have handled Master Roshi's training without the time I spent here in Orin! :...Ho ho ho! What a splendid fighter you've become.   “Surely, you can take the time to call an ambulance!”   Oh, yeah, hadn't mentioned why Krillin left the temple. I knew I forgot something.  He was bullied out of it. I know high school kids can be dicks, so I don't want to imagine what a temple full of dick monks could do. Especially since Krillin was four when he first came to the temple.   And we fade to black, as Krillin stays the night.  By the morning, these guys think Krillin is the best thing since sliced bread.    Keep dreamin', champ.   : There are countless people out there stronger than myself. If I can challenge them to battle, I'm sure it will help me grow as a fighter.   We can come back here later, but there's no real special reason to.    Krillin, like a lot of folks at this point in the game, has the ultimate goal of beating up Goku.   And since that's a neat image, if you wanted a clean version of it, I made sure to grab a shot of that.  But that finishes off this chapter. Next time, we'll join Yamcha to see what he's up to! Stay tuned! Leave fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Was that a Giant Panda with a handgun? Yep. He eats shoots and leaves.
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