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Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.
I really want to run the ring with a GPS logger to do that exact same thing, but an exact scale version of my run. :perfect:

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Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

xzzy posted:

There's a lot of two bit photographers that set up on corners on the ring and try to sell shots of people driving it, I suppose they make decent souvenirs but do it producing some really bad photography. Vast numbers of poorly processed photos get dumped on the internet every week, trying to make a buck.

It's a product of digital photography man, these days the business/marketing end of photography trumps any actual skill at the craft. Just hold the shutter button down and go hog wild!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

leica posted:

It's a product of digital photography man, these days the business/marketing end of photography trumps any actual skill at the craft. Just hold the shutter button down and go hog wild!

:smith::hf::smith:

Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

leica posted:

It's a product of digital photography man, these days the business/marketing end of photography trumps any actual skill at the craft. Just hold the shutter button down and go hog wild!

That's pretty much everything these days. The internet and modern technology are working very hard to snuff out all the art in the world, and it's depressing.

T1g4h
Aug 6, 2008

I AM THE SCALES OF JUSTICE, CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOIR OF DEATH!

leica posted:

It's a product of digital photography man, these days the business/marketing end of photography trumps any actual skill at the craft. Just hold the shutter button down and go hog wild!

Now to really hammer that point home, let it sink in that there are "professional" photographers who have businesses, yet the only camera they own is the one on their iPhone :sigh:

Senior Funkenstien
Apr 16, 2003
Dinosaur Gum

Sinestro posted:

That's pretty much everything these days. The internet and modern technology are working very hard to snuff out all the art in the world, and it's depressing.

I'm only quoting you to say a really good friend knitted me a Tom Baker scarf and gave it to me today. 12' long at least.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

T1g4h posted:

Now to really hammer that point home, let it sink in that there are "professional" photographers who have businesses, yet the only camera they own is the one on their iPhone :sigh:

I don't see anything wrong with that if they take amazing pictures. Photography is a lot more than the equipment.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

8ender posted:

I don't see anything wrong with that if they take amazing pictures. Photography is a lot more than the equipment.

This this this.

T1g4h
Aug 6, 2008

I AM THE SCALES OF JUSTICE, CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOIR OF DEATH!

8ender posted:

I don't see anything wrong with that if they take amazing pictures. Photography is a lot more than the equipment.

I just have a problem with it because it feels to me like it's slowly killing the actual art of photography. Now instead of picking and choosing your lens, making sure you have the exposure right, choosing the right aperture value, etc, you can just... tap the screen on your phone and bill yourself as a Pro portrait photographer or whatever. It feels cheap.

Like, I've seen some great cell shots, no arguing that. But it's just not the same as actual full on photog :\

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!

T1g4h posted:

Now to really hammer that point home, let it sink in that there are "professional" photographers who have businesses, yet the only camera they own is the one on their iPhone :sigh:

But then I heard that those photos of Jen Selter's rear end on Instagram aren't even taken with a phone or uploaded from a mobile device. So...

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
I had to go look that up from the description and honestly that rear end looks like poo poo.

Raw size and displacement does not make a good rear end.

Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.
Yeah, that's like a top decile butt at best. Generously.

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

T1g4h posted:

I just have a problem with it because it feels to me like it's slowly killing the actual art of photography. Now instead of picking and choosing your lens, making sure you have the exposure right, choosing the right aperture value, etc, you can just... tap the screen on your phone and bill yourself as a Pro portrait photographer or whatever. It feels cheap.

Like, I've seen some great cell shots, no arguing that. But it's just not the same as actual full on photog :\
Seeing as how the -ve effects of most everything you are talking about can be corrected digitally, to a degree that "nobody that matters" can tell, what actual difference does it make? Honor? I mean the world wants this indistinguishable from render horseshit anyway, if you can start with less why learn how to avoid what you are correcting? - http://jordanshiraki.com/2014-bentley-continental-gt-step-by-step-photoshop-walkthrough/. In fairness, an old guy that just knows analogue photography can probably only do a fraction of what a photographer can do today, even if some of the craftsmanship has been lost.

edit: BUT, as "the car saved the horse" so too can the whatever save the art in whatever.,,jhc ah who gives a poo poo... anyone getting confused by photos for media on the way to art weren't going to be able to follow along when they got there anyway.

Qmass fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Aug 23, 2015

corn in the fridge
Jan 15, 2012

by Shine

14 INCH SLIT posted:

I had to go look that up from the description and honestly that rear end looks like poo poo.

Raw size and displacement does not make a good rear end.

i take it you only like the rail-thin super skinny girls?

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Sinestro posted:

I really want to run the ring with a GPS logger to do that exact same thing, but an exact scale version of my run. :perfect:

Complete with the 3 hour "wedged in the armco" delay, and the air ambulance to the nearest hospital? ;)

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

8ender posted:

I don't see anything wrong with that if they take amazing pictures. Photography is a lot more than the equipment.

This is all well and good, but try making a living out of it and you'll have a different perspective.

I'm the poster boy for digital ruining the trade, it effectively put me out of a job. I saw it coming a mile away but I rode the wave while it lasted.


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slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat

Maker Of Shoes posted:

This this this.

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

corn in the fridge posted:

i take it you only like the rail-thin super skinny girls?

I like my butts to not look like a caricature of an rear end on a girl that is otherwise quite fit and attractive. Like some one went wait gently caress and just used the cage deform tool too blow it out far enough for their fetish artwork

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
14 is more of a function over form guy when it comes to women, and the function is basically the same as a bandsaw.

Check out what's for sale this weekend at the Canadian autocross nationals:

365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine

leica posted:

It's a product of digital photography man, these days the business/marketing end of photography trumps any actual skill at the craft.

Sorry, this was the case before, too.

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

corn in the fridge posted:

i take it you only like the rail-thin super skinny girls?

Also no, not any more.

El Jebus
Jun 18, 2008

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14 INCH SLIT posted:

I like my butts to not look like a caricature of an rear end on a girl that is otherwise quite fit and attractive. Like some one went wait gently caress and just used the cage deform tool too blow it out far enough for their fetish artwork

I just want it to match. I don't want stick thin with huge tits or rotund with tiny tits. Same for the rear end.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

365 Nog Hogger posted:

Sorry, this was the case before, too.

Lol, no. Shooting film took actual skill and effort and if you couldn't get exposures right you didn't get work, there was no RAW files to fix in photoshop.

365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine

leica posted:

Lol, no. Shooting film took actual skill and effort and if you couldn't get exposures right you didn't get work, there was no RAW files to fix in photoshop.

Yeah, I shoot+develop film. There were still plenty of no-talent hacks making money; auto-exposure was pretty advanced going back quite a while, lovely framing and lack of compositional awareness have nothing to do with sensors.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

High end equipment can make a good photo great, but it can't make a bad photo good. A good photo is still at least 90% composition whether you're shooting with an iPhone or a 1D with a $5k lens.

Speaking of amateur photography and stuff that is AI car poo poo:



This is a completely stock looking Volvo S70 AWD with a 6-speed manual swap and a ridiculous amount of engine+turbo work to dyno just shy of 400hp.

That was a fun ride along.

Guinness fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Aug 23, 2015

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
My dad saw some stupid old Ford out on a drive, I bet it doesn't even have AC. Bet hed take a grand for it.

T1g4h
Aug 6, 2008

I AM THE SCALES OF JUSTICE, CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOIR OF DEATH!

Qmass posted:

Seeing as how the -ve effects of most everything you are talking about can be corrected digitally, to a degree that "nobody that matters" can tell, what actual difference does it make? Honor? I mean the world wants this indistinguishable from render horseshit anyway, if you can start with less why learn how to avoid what you are correcting? - http://jordanshiraki.com/2014-bentley-continental-gt-step-by-step-photoshop-walkthrough/. In fairness, an old guy that just knows analogue photography can probably only do a fraction of what a photographer can do today, even if some of the craftsmanship has been lost.

edit: BUT, as "the car saved the horse" so too can the whatever save the art in whatever.,,jhc ah who gives a poo poo... anyone getting confused by photos for media on the way to art weren't going to be able to follow along when they got there anyway.

Not so much honor, i'm more worried about the death of... I dunno, i guess craft is the correct term? Like, why would someone bother grabbing a DSLR and learning the ins and outs of all the features on a full fledged camera as well as stuff like exposure, shutter speeds, etc. when they can just use their smartphone to shoot photos? I know it sounds silly, but I seriously can't help but wonder if one day DSLRS will be the new vintage 35mm film camera. You know, something widely regarded as antiquated that only a really small group of diehards still use.

Guinness posted:

High end equipment can make a good photo great, but it can't make a bad photo good. A good photo is still at least 90% composition whether you're shooting with an iPhone or a 1D with a $5k lens.

Speaking of amateur photography and stuff that is AI car poo poo:



This is a completely stock looking Volvo S70 AWD with a 6-speed manual swap and a ridiculous amount of engine+turbo work to dyno just shy of 400hp.

That was a fun ride along.

No arguments there. Also, that Volvo is loving boss.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

T1g4h posted:

Not so much honor, i'm more worried about the death of... I dunno, i guess craft is the correct term? Like, why would someone bother grabbing a DSLR and learning the ins and outs of all the features on a full fledged camera as well as stuff like exposure, shutter speeds, etc. when they can just use their smartphone to shoot photos? I know it sounds silly, but I seriously can't help but wonder if one day DSLRS will be the new vintage 35mm film camera. You know, something widely regarded as antiquated that only a really small group of diehards still use.


No arguments there. Also, that Volvo is loving boss.

To bring this back to cars, it's like autos vs manuals. There's a skill to shifting properly and a sense of pride when it's nearly subconscious. I understand that completely, but there's also something wonderful about people having a machine that interprets their vague inputs automatically and that translating well enough to work well enough for most of their lives; the tech behind both is impressive and is getting good enough that most people don't need to experience the old way of don't things.

Sure that's a loss of a skill that is difficult and used to be completely necessary in the past, but I'm also glad I don't have to persistence hunt my burgers in the nude either.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!

Wasabi the J posted:

To bring this back to cars, it's like autos vs manuals. There's a skill to shifting properly and a sense of pride when it's nearly subconscious. I understand that completely, but there's also something wonderful about people having a machine that interprets their vague inputs automatically and that translating well enough to work well enough for most of their lives; the tech behind both is impressive and is getting good enough that most people don't need to experience the old way of don't things.

Sure that's a loss of a skill that is difficult and used to be completely necessary in the past, but I'm also glad I don't have to persistence hunt my burgers in the nude either.

I just want proper manuals to at least be an option for most cars but I know that will not happen :smith:

T1g4h
Aug 6, 2008

I AM THE SCALES OF JUSTICE, CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOIR OF DEATH!

Wasabi the J posted:

Sure that's a loss of a skill that is difficult and used to be completely necessary in the past, but I'm also glad I don't have to persistence hunt my burgers in the nude either.

What, you don't do that? You should try it, the looks you get from the counter staff at McDonalds are amazing :v:

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

14 INCH SLIT posted:

My dad saw some stupid old Ford out on a drive, I bet it doesn't even have AC. Bet hed take a grand for it.



What a piece of rubbish. An old Escort is more functional.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQ9E1s1FuQ

Assembling a Bentley W12 :circlefap:

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

El Scotch posted:

What a piece of rubbish. An old Escort is more functional.

I'd buy one if it came as a wagon. Also in brown.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

365 Nog Hogger posted:

Yeah, I shoot+develop film. There were still plenty of no-talent hacks making money; auto-exposure was pretty advanced going back quite a while, lovely framing and lack of compositional awareness have nothing to do with sensors.

Maybe so, but nowhere near on the level it is today, don't act like digital didn't change everything. I shot film professionally when digital was in it's infancy, people that wasted film with poo poo images didn't last long, with digital it doesn't matter fill up that 6GB card there's a decent shot in there somewhere!

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Panty Saluter posted:

I just want proper manuals to at least be an option for most cars but I know that will not happen :smith:

Hey man, a proper automatic is pretty fun too; banging out gears like you're a rally driver without even thinking about your clutch exploding.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Seat Safety Switch posted:

14 is more of a function over form guy when it comes to women, and the function is basically the same as a bandsaw.

Check out what's for sale this weekend at the Canadian autocross nationals:



I can hear the idle of that Cleveland V8 in my head :)

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

Три полоски,
три по три полоски
Electric turbos are coming. And with them 48 volt car systems. Something new every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH7K_hr4fFU

Comrade Flynn
Jun 1, 2003

Sorry I'm apparently responsible for the death of photography for paying $8 for the only picture of my wife driving.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Preoptopus posted:

Electric turbos are coming. And with them 48 volt car systems. Something new every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH7K_hr4fFU

I've heard of the 48v thing for several years now. its about time honestly.

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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

It says Audi plan on implementing it around 2016 so look out for a shitload of hosed electric turbos around 2021.

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