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Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Bloodly posted:

Hmm. Kinda ruminating. Kikoho/Tri-Beam burns life. Dodon Ray/Dodonpa is quick, thin, piercing, powerful, even rapid-fire. Both are or rather were moves of an assassination school. Dodon makes sense. Quick and quiet. Kikoho...doesn't. I suppose if things went loud? Make absolutely sure they die, or at least that YOU'LL die so you can't reveal anything? The thing basically blows it's target away or crushes them into the ground, so there's use for that, then leave?

I'm kinda picturing a whole group of people-an army, even-using it and just thinking "Jesus...."

But how mad, how desperate would you have to be to use that? As a one shot, or even regularly? Although I can imagine some poseur learning it to show off or something. Or maybe learning it just to bulk up from recovering the life lost needing to burn fat or something. Kikoho diet? Kikoho suicides?

I guess in the end a good gun works better anyway.

Well, think about this, the Crane school is mostly about assassination.

If so, the the Kikohou is basically a Suicide Bomb.

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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Bloodly posted:

Hmm. Kinda ruminating. Kikoho/Tri-Beam burns life. Dodon Ray/Dodonpa is quick, thin, piercing, powerful, even rapid-fire. Both are or rather were moves of an assassination school. Dodon makes sense. Quick and quiet. Kikoho...doesn't. I suppose if things went loud? Make absolutely sure they die, or at least that YOU'LL die so you can't reveal anything? The thing basically blows it's target away or crushes them into the ground, so there's use for that, then leave?

I'm kinda picturing a whole group of people-an army, even-using it and just thinking "Jesus...."

But how mad, how desperate would you have to be to use that? As a one shot, or even regularly? Although I can imagine some poseur learning it to show off or something. Or maybe learning it just to bulk up from recovering the life lost needing to burn fat or something. Kikoho diet? Kikoho suicides?

I guess in the end a good gun works better anyway.

The Kikoho leaves an enormous perfectly square hole where you fire it.

Now imagine using it on someone's house.

DukeofCA
Aug 18, 2011

I am shocked and appalled.

Glazius posted:

I have to applaud the devs of the newer game for actually giving us some time with the Earthlings who never get to matter. Maybe things will turn out differently this time?

I'm hoping Dragonball Super will give them more to do. Not holding my breath though.

NullBlack
Oct 29, 2011

I'm as confused as you are.

RareAcumen posted:

The Kikoho leaves an enormous perfectly square hole where you fire it.

Now imagine using it on someone's house.

Making spaces for windows?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

DukeofCA posted:

I'm hoping Dragonball Super will give them more to do. Not holding my breath though.

I think I heard someone somewhere else say that Yamcha has landed more hits on Beerus than Goku as of this time, so maybe?

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
The update will come sometime tomorrow. There are so many goddamned words, it's not even funny.

For reference, I had 22 minutes of video. I took nearly five hundred loving screenshots. Needless to say, that bit of footage will be split into two updates.

DukeofCA
Aug 18, 2011

I am shocked and appalled.

CzarChasm posted:

I think I heard someone somewhere else say that Yamcha has landed more hits on Beerus than Goku as of this time, so maybe?

....was Beerus asleep at the time?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

DukeofCA posted:

....was Beerus asleep at the time?



Pictured: Yamcha getting the first hit on Beerus

dasmause
Jul 20, 2015

Yamcha got killed so many times he developed a taste for it, apparently

StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.
That pic misses the most important part:



:allears:

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Yamcha's so copping a feel here. And Beerus?

Beerus likes it.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Update Six: The Tournament Has Arrived! Who's The Strongest In The World!?

Howdy, folks, and welcome back! Last time, on Attack of the Saiyans, Tien had his day in the limelight, learning the Multi-Form Attack and the Evil Containment Wave. Today, we'll be starting the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament, so let's head out.



I've been trying to get my update titles to roughly match what an actual Dragon Ball episode title would sound like. What do you guys think? Am I succeeding?



Oh, yeah, three years have passed since we did those things with Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien. Gameplay-wise, they haven't gotten any stronger, which is to be expected, I suppose.



But they do feel confident enough to try their hands at the Tournament again, so they must have grown in some way.



Roshi is curious to see how his students have fared. He helped them become the fighters they are today.



As for Launch, I'm pretty sure she has nothing else going on, so she came with Roshi. He probably asked her and blue-haired Launch is too nice to say no. Blonde-haired Launch would probably have agreed, too, but only on the chance she would be able to jump Tien's bones at the Tournament.





Bulma! It's good to see her again!



: So where is everyone? They still aren't here yet?



I missed his little portrait when he first spoke, as I rushed through that textbook on accident, but Roshi is looking pimptastic today.



And also apparently trying to feel up Bulma.



Don't know if this is the best place to mention it, but Bulma once flashed her privates to Roshi to get the Dragon Ball he had. Not that she meant to; she only wanted to flash her panties to him, but Goku had stolen those during the night and Bulma wasn't aware of that fact.



There's plenty of oddball poo poo in Dragon Ball and I'd like to mention as much of it as I can, so sometimes, I've got to find places to bring it up.





Have we met Oolong yet? In case we haven't, he's a little pigman, who also has some limited shape-shifting abilities. Befitting his status as a pig, he has some...interests that align with Roshi's, and he made the first wish we ever saw in Dragon Ball, where he wished for some panties. It was to prevent Emperor Pilaf from taking over the world.



There's a lot of damned words coming in this update and the next.



: Ho ho ho...Yamcha too, eh? Krillin went off saying the same thing, y'know...Goku had a major influence on them three years ago, there's no doubt about that.



...Who the hell is this loser?

: Do you know this man?

: No...

: Hey, old man! Glad to see you're alive again! You're all lookin' great, too! So where are Krillin, and Yamcha, and Tien, huh? They already go off to fight their preliminary matches?

: Wait...

: ...No way...





Goku!?



Then again, the last time they saw him, he looked like this. In the last few years, he's grown quite a lot.



Some random dude that Roshi might have needed to beat up, truthfully.





I'm not making a portrait for Oolong. He doesn't come up enough to warrant one.



: Here, lemme take it off. See?



Aye, that hair is what we needed to tell you were Goku. Can't go by the face; you look just like Chrono and probably some shnook from a Dragon Quest game.



Oh, yeah, one of Goku's defining traits is that he's a moron.



Did you know that Bulma, aside from Goku, is the character that appears the most in Dragon Ball? She's one of the most important female characters and has been a major character from the first chapter of the manga all the way until the final chapter of it, as well as making appearances up until the end of GT.



Oh, yeah, that's all the more mention of GT I want. Seriously. GT was a huge shitpile and it's best not to focus on it.



Goku was raised in the wild by Grandpa Gohan for a while, but Grandpa Gohan was killed by him when he was raging in his Oozaru form. Bulma found him when searching for the Dragon Balls, as he had the 4-Star Ball as a memento of his grandfather, and took him on the adventure of a lifetime.



So while he is a moron, it's not entirely unjustified. Not to mention, he's also spent the last few years training with Kami. Up until this point, he's spent pretty much his entire life kicking rear end and taking names.





BAM! Another shock to the ticker, what with the rain stopping and the sun coming out and these three (and Chiaotzu) showing up out of nowhere!



Here's a clean shot of that, if you'd like it.



So, in the last three years, Tien picked up a Raiden hat and became the Grand Marshall of a parade somewhere. Good for him.



Yamcha, on the other hand, is just dressing like a dumbass for no reason.



Krillin, however, still looks fashionable and fly.



Oh, Krillin. :allears:





Those three don't recognize Goku just yet.





Krillin and Goku are best friends, so Krillin is happier than a pig in poo poo to see his buddy again.

: Yep!

: Gokuuuu! You bum! I've been dying to see you! I didn't even get a chance to thank you! Sheesh!



Seriously, what the hell is he wearing?





Anyways, here we are! Back in action! For a little bit, at least.



But first, more :words:





: I'll see you later, okay?

: Certainly. Make me proud!



Goku has officially joined the party! :krakentoot:



His stats are nothing stellar, but he's also only level four.







For comparison's sake, here's everyone else. Goku has some matching numbers there, but remember, he's also a few levels lower than these guys. Goku, seeing as how he is the main fighter in Dragon Ball is appropriately powerful. As for attacks go, he currently has his Combination, which hits a ton of times, and the Kamehameha, which hits more than Krillin and Yamcha's do. He also has the After Image Technique, which raises his Evasion for a bit.





Before we move on, we can talk to everyone here, if we'd like. Remember, Goku did a large portion of his training with Master Roshi, and even learned his signature attack. Roshi and his symbol, his training, is very important to Goku.



However, Roshi feels his students have advanced enough they no longer need to wear the student colors they did while he trained them.



Which he sums up there. You'd think I'd actually read ahead in the dialog before slapping down a shot and commenting.



Launch wishes us well, as she is wont to do when blue-haired.



And Puar has cheers for Yamcha.





I believe Bulma is talking about Chi Chi here, the woman who would go on to become Goku's wife.



But nothing I've seen Chi Chi do has ever made me consider she's a flirt. It's mostly anger and yelling and telling Gohan to study so he doesn't grow up to have his father's brand of retard.



Well, let's get a move on, shall we?



It's going to be a surprise, mate.





In short, this chick smashed that guy with an attack, he creamed his jeans, and now he can't wait for it to happen again.



There's a bit of exploration to be done around here, starting with this house.



We discover a horrifying truth within; neglect of the cat. Surely, their lives will belong to him before dawn.



This is simply to throw us off his trail. I'm watching you, motherfucker.



But there are express orders not to feed the cat and they bribed us with a Speed Fruit. Kitty, had you offered me a Power Fruit, I may just have fed you.



AP is definitely meant to be spent, and I haven't spent a bit of it yet. It's mostly because I don't have as much as I'd like to start grabbing the skills I want.



I was hoarding those earlier fruits for Goku; he's our main character and already strongest fighter, so why not make him stronger? He's basically always around, and as long as the other characters have been leveled adequately, they're going to do fine without him.



Plus, Goku is the crux of my plan to defeat the bonus boss, so I'd like him as strong as possible for that point. The bonus boss is a bad motherfucker. In the five LPs I've done, I'd say this guy is the hardest bonus boss I'll have faced.



But, that's enough chatter about him. We'll come to that barrier when we do and I'd like all of those not in the know to stay that way.



In that door, we come to the medical office.



I'm now wondering how much HP a character would be restoring at the end of a round if you pumped the two bonus points into his Recovery.



There very well should be; it's not simply humans at this tournament. We'll meet manimals, wolfmen, and who-knows what else.



Or maybe this guy is just trying to catch up on the recent volume of Futari Ecchi or something.



He also implores us not to get hurt; not out of concern for our well-being, like some douche, but because he has plans when this is over, and this is the only night she can come over and he bought that $80 bottle of marshmallow flavored vodka that she likes.



We exit to this little walkway, to move onto the main building here.







Everyone is readying for the tournament in their own way. Our method involves running around, nosing into everyone's business.





I believe I can guarantee this year, it's going to be a smashing success.



Chappa is a former tournament winner who fought with his eight-arm ability, to deliver powerful attacks that most opponents couldn't block. He's utterly minor, but has enough of a presence to be mentioned now and again.



I'm sure there's a copy of this chart online that I could look up and post, but I can't seem to muster the gumption to actually do something like that.



Well, if nothing else, I believe Chi Chi is entering this tournament, too.





Alright, enough dawdling about. Let's get this show on the road.



“It usually takes far longer for the randomly selected challenger to talk to me so we can actually start!”





We're about to see a series of splash screens with some text not exactly relating to them.



Chi Chi is a fierce shouter, capable of cowing even the mightiest of men beneath the power of her awesome aural artillery.



King Chappa falls in a single attack, and he can chalk up another loss to Goku.



The group fought with all their might in hopes of nabbing the world championship.



That older man is named Hero, and he's doing quite well for himself.



As are Yamcha and Tien.



The tournament's main bracket was filled out with the names of the strongest in the land.

I'm not sure what Krillin did to that guy, but I certainly hope they have advanced dental surgeries to fix him.



Chiaotzu, however, is nowhere close to one of those “strongest in the land” guys. Maybe in a nursing home.



:ducksiren:BADASS ALERT:ducksiren:



This is Piccolo Jr., who is the evil King Piccolo reborn, hell-bent on world domination and on murdering Goku. He's pretty much evil with a capital “E V I L”



Chi Chi and Goku face off, too. And to think, soon they'll be married! :allears:



Tien smashes Mercenary Tao, the younger brother of Master Shen, who originally taught Tien how to fight. Tao here was the one who had laid such a complete beatdown on Chiaotzu earlier, and Tien repays that with interest.



Krillin has a match against Piccolo where Krillin proves himself about as effective as a fart in a windstorm.



The mysterious Hero takes Yamcha out.



While Goku defeats Tien and his Multi-Form Attack.



Not sure why this text goes with this shot, but hey, whatever. It's a cool shot.



[i]Kami himself joined to put a stop to Piccolo Jr., but even he was no match for Piccolo Jr.'s might.

So, yeah, Hero was Kami possessing his body to attempt to seal Piccolo Jr away with the Evil Containment Wave. Piccolo reversed the move on him, and sealed Kami instead, inside of a jar, which Piccolo Jr then swallows whole.





Now, we're simply level 4. We're not strong enough to help save the planet from a guy who just ganked Kami.



To that end, there are three fights in this room, each of which can be done an unlimited amount of times. I'm not going to go full-out training here. I'm going to get Goku to level 7, which still puts him below the others, but his natural leveling stats will even that out.





Not quite sure how he got the drop on us, but whatever.



This is pretty much a summary of the entire fight. I think I did two physical attacks and he took a dirtnap.



There are other challengers here, so let's go check them out. Goku won't be satisfied with such a simple fight.



Let's dance, asshat.



The Wolfman is the toughest enemy here, which also means he gives the best EXP for beating him.



This will wear off after a few turns, but for now, his Evasion has sky-rocketed and it'll be hard to land many hits on him.



To combat that, I choose our move that has the most hits to it.



It starts with a flurry of punches.





A ground smash to a series of heavy kicks.



That usually ends with a flood of damage, but I think Goku only hit him three or four times.



So let's try another tactic; only five hits here, but each one is going to make sure that fucker knows he just got his rear end kicked.



Goku's Kamehameha has the most hits of all the Kamehameha users, and is usually the strongest of them, mostly by virtue of hitting more. His better stats also aid that greatly.





Wolfy here has his own Ki blast, where he makes some fancy arm movements before launching it off.



However, it's not enough to drop, or even dent, Goku.



Finally, at the end, we have the Pupil.







He's got a simple one-two punch combo followed by a kick for moderate damage.



Goku, however, has a combo capable of reducing his lower jaw to a mushy paste with the occasional hard bits scattered about in it.



Nothing too good, but this guy is also good if you're still not comfortable with the combat system and want some easier, but slightly rewarding, fights.



For his levels, Goku is getting the standard +1 to Power and Technique.



For training up here, I recommend going with the Wolfman. He gives the most, but he's also the toughest, but as long as you're good with your Guards and are hammering him with your strongest attacks, you'll be good as gold. Don't be afraid to pop a Bean if you have to; you'll get plenty more in the future and they're also relatively cheap to buy.



However, to end this update, have a shot of Goku's stats at Level 7. I could easily get him to Level 10, so his level matches that of our highest character's, but that would completely trivialize the final bout in the World Tournament.

Speaking of that Tournament, we'll see the exciting conclusion to it next time, on Attack Of The Saiyans! Stay tuned!

Leave fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Aug 28, 2015

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
Ranfan made the top 8 of the first World Tournament in Dragon Ball. She wasn't anything special, except that she stripped rather than fighting fair.

mateo360
Mar 20, 2012

TOO MANY PEOPLE MERLOCK!
ONLY ONE DIJON!
So they were so desperate for padding this game out that they had to resort to using the the saga that came before the main focus of the story and from the show that didn't even have Z in the title.

StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.

Leavemywife posted:



I believe Bulma is talking about Chi Chi here, the woman who would go on to become Goku's wife.



But nothing I've seen Chi Chi do has ever made me consider she's a flirt. It's mostly anger and yelling and telling Gohan to study so he doesn't grow up to have his father's brand of retard.

Aaaactually...

Pretty sure the woman in question here, or rather at least Oolong's comment, is Bulma herself, referring back to an original point brought up in the series itself. See, for whatever reason (okay, the expected reason given her behavior since the start of the series), Bulma sort of had a thing for Goku from the start of this arc all the way up to Namek.



Not exaggerating here, Bulma herself calls attention to this. Recall that not long after, she dumps Yamcha and hooks up with Vegeta. Think on that one for a moment.

More interestingly...

Leavemywife posted:



The Wolfman is the toughest enemy here, which also means he gives the best EXP for beating him.

Wolfman is literally a palate swap of... Man-Wolf. Right down to the pose.



Man-wolf is fighter from the previous Tournament who was angry at "Jackie Chun" for destroying the moon in the Tournament prior to that one. Because he's a reverse-werewolf, who only turns into a human upon seeing a full moon.

Jackie Chun uses hypnosis to convince him that Krillin's bald head is a full moon, and... it works. Dragon Ball, folks. :v:

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

mateo360 posted:

So they were so desperate for padding this game out that they had to resort to using the the saga that came before the main focus of the story and from the show that didn't even have Z in the title.

Not really, 'Z' as a thing didn't really exist in the original manga. It really was just a chance of fate that the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament concluding with Goku grown up and then the time skip was Z. And even then that's pretty much only for the anime.

The fact is, this arc provides a lot of context from future stuff.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012





Hahahahaha, Krillen's outfit is just coat, there's no pants! You can't even see his knees!

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

RareAcumen posted:

Hahahahaha, Krillen's outfit is just coat, there's no pants! You can't even see his knees!

There are his knees are just covered, I mean you can't see ANY of their knees.

Sea Lily
Aug 5, 2007

Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.

I always liked the gag that we see Goku all grown up and tall, so very tall, and adult and then Krillin shows up and he grew like 6 inches.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Submitted for the thread's approval: colour-changing DBZ mug oh god I want one so bad

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014


Approved.

Gimme.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

That's fantastic.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Onmi posted:

There are his knees are just covered, I mean you can't see ANY of their knees.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.
My only issue with color-changing mugs is that they aren't dishwasher safe. Or at least the Pac-Man one I got for my birthday isn't. If it was, I'd be using it all the time.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

I'm now wondering how much HP a character would be restoring at the end of a round if you pumped the two bonus points into his Recovery.

I forget whether Recovery is flat, a percent of max HP, or both. I note that I don't know much; I'm no expert. I'm ahead of here, but not by much; I think it's been something like two or four years since I last played it.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Keep doing those update titles, they make me chuckle every time.

Petiso
Apr 30, 2012



Leavemywife posted:



This is Piccolo Jr., who is the evil King Piccolo reborn, hell-bent on world domination and on murdering Goku. He's pretty much evil with a capital “E V I L”

They've been pretty faithful to the source with these pics until this one, I guess his first design is a bit goofy.

ParanoidLogician
Jul 24, 2012

Where did the punster go when he was defeated? The "punitentiary"!
Pretty good update Leave. I too think you should make it a habit of naming updates like episodes from Dragon Ball, if only to go along with it.

Also, you might want to double check the update, because you put "for" in place of "four" when you talked about Goku's level and you forgot to fully italicize that line involving Piccolo sealing Kami up.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Petiso posted:

They've been pretty faithful to the source with these pics until this one, I guess his first design is a bit goofy.



Is it just me, or do his eyes look....old? I can't describe it much better. The rest of him is young, but his eyes look like he's 50+ or something.

Fionordequester
Dec 27, 2012

Actually, I respectfully disagree with you there. For as obviously flawed as this game is, there ARE a lot of really good things about it. The presentation and atmosphere, for example, are the most immediate things. No other Yu-Gi-Oh game goes out of the way to really make

Bloodly posted:

Is it just me, or do his eyes look....old? I can't describe it much better. The rest of him is young, but his eyes look like he's 50+ or something.

You talking about the bags under his eyes?

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW


He still looks pretty cranky that way.

I think it's a combo of the eye bags and the expression of pure disdain. The heavy brow probably isn't helping. He's pretty intense for a three-year-old.

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009

YggiDee posted:

I think it's a combo of the eye bags and the expression of pure disdain. The heavy brow probably isn't helping. He's pretty intense for a three-year-old.

Oh yeah I totally forget he's actually crazy young. No wonder he latches onto Gohan so hard.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

YggiDee posted:



He still looks pretty cranky that way.

I think it's a combo of the eye bags and the expression of pure disdain. The heavy brow probably isn't helping. He's pretty intense for a three-year-old.

It's odd that the giant shoulderpads and collar ruff make him look less goofy, but I guess that's just how we're used to seeing him.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

He does kinda-sorta have his dad's mind, doesn't he?

I don't know how Namekians work.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Frankly, I don't think Namekians know how Namekians work.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Carbon dioxide posted:

He does kinda-sorta have his dad's mind, doesn't he?

I don't know how Namekians work.

Piccolo is kind of a giant exception in how Namekians work to begin with, since by that time the rules of their race were very much not set in stone. Hell, the same goes for all of his older brothers who are far more monster-like than any other Namekian seen in the series, but that one had an explanation in extra material (King Piccolo's Pokopen way of birthing them actually corrupts them into monster forms).

By himself, Piccolo is technically both his own person and his dad, being a literal clone of King Piccolo. Even Piccolo himself isn't very consistent on whether he's his own person or his dad, and the whole thing is kind of nonsense.

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

wait I thought they hatched from those eggs with the spots on them??? and then they just kind of grew up right there in front of you??? :confused:

e: sometimes you have to feed it fruit or koopas first

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013




Disappointed that the game skips over Goku learning what marriage is. Yajirobe got his cameo appearance at least.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Junpei Hyde posted:

Yajirobe got his cameo appearance at least.

He gets more.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 28, 2015

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Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




quote:



Is this Piccolo DBZ Piccolo or are we two more rebirths away for him

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