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The Lord Bude posted:I choose to refer to myself using the majestic plural.
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I don't really understand PCI express interfaces, if I want to buy 950 pro that requires a PCIe 3.0 x4 connection will that only work with a motherboard that has that specific interface? What about a motherboard like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K6JKRIA that only has 2xPCIe 3.0 x16 interfaces, can I use one for the video card and one for the SSD?
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Oct 25, 2015 21:44
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You can always plug a card that uses fewer lanes into a PCIe slot with more lanes than needed. You can also have a slot that has the length of more lanes than it actually provides, e.g. an x16 length slot that only connects 4 of the lanes. If you plugged an x16 card into that it would just have reduced data transfer speed.
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Oct 25, 2015 21:49
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Pryor on Fire posted:I don't really understand PCI express interfaces, if I want to buy 950 pro that requires a PCIe 3.0 x4 connection will that only work with a motherboard that has that specific interface? What about a motherboard like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K6JKRIA that only has 2xPCIe 3.0 x16 interfaces, can I use one for the video card and one for the SSD? In that case you would be using the m.2 connector which is not the pci-e expansion slots you are used to. That motherboard has the m.2 connector but it says gen 2 and I think the best would be gen 3. Could be mistaken though.
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Oct 25, 2015 23:30
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What on earth is an m2 connector? I just want to use PCIe 3.0 right?
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Oct 26, 2015 00:28
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Pryor on Fire posted:What on earth is an m2 connector? I just want to use PCIe x3 right? M.2 is the connector type used by the 950 Pro, it uses 4x PCIe 3.0 lanes on the PCIe bus for data transfer. This is a M.2 slot:  Some M.2 slots only support older versions of M.2 that use the SATA bus or PCIe via AHCI, the 950 Pro needs to use the PCIe bus via the NVMe standard to achieve it's full speed. The motherboard you linked earlier does support NVMe with it's M.2 slot, so it would work fine with the 950 pro.
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Oct 26, 2015 01:21
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Oh ok I just need to explicitly look for M.2 connectors with the NVMe standard then, gotcha. Thanks for the info- the last time I built a PC PCIe was used for absolutely nothing but video cards so this strange new world of bizarre connectors for other things is confusing to me.
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Oct 26, 2015 01:26
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Some M.2 slots only support older versions of M.2 that use the SATA bus or PCIe via AHCI, the 950 Pro needs to use the PCIe bus via the NVMe standard to achieve it's full speed. The motherboard you linked earlier does support NVMe with it's M.2 slot, so it would work fine with the 950 pro.
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Oct 26, 2015 01:39
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td4guy posted:That 20% free would be overall. The easiest way to do that is to have 20% of the drive be unallocated space. Or just keep 10% free on each of the two partitions. Heck, you could probably keep 10% free on just one partition and be fine. 20% is a bit overkill, especially with modern SSD controllers doing their best to avoid write amplification (using the same blocks over and over again to write).
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Oct 26, 2015 03:32
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Flipperwaldt posted:Almost busted for account sharing there, bud. As if I'd have friends to share an account with. What sort of goon do you think I am?
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Oct 26, 2015 04:11
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I've been toying with the idea of getting an SSD to put steam and games on. Already have a Samsung 840 120GB that I only put Windows and programs on, so this one will go in separately. Is there any advantage in going in a PCIexpress one instead of SATA? Is there some sort of recommendation or sweet spot for a good, reliable SSD between 500GB to 1TB?
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Vidaeus posted:I've been toying with the idea of getting an SSD to put steam and games on. Already have a Samsung 840 120GB that I only put Windows and programs on, so this one will go in separately. Is there any advantage in going in a PCIexpress one instead of SATA? Is there some sort of recommendation or sweet spot for a good, reliable SSD between 500GB to 1TB? You can get faster speeds with an NVMe enabled M.2 or PCIe SSD but they are very expensive, also you probably don't really need the speed, a SATA based SSD is plenty fast for most things. As for what to get the 850 EVO is considered the best blend of price, performance and reliability. Intel's stuff is rock solid but you pay for it.
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Knormal posted:Thanks, changes made. Do I need to do anything in fstab to tell it which drives to target with the TRIM pass, or will the hard drive controllers figure that out?
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Oct 26, 2015 07:58
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:You can get faster speeds with an NVMe enabled M.2 or PCIe SSD but they are very expensive, also you probably don't really need the speed, a SATA based SSD is plenty fast for most things. As for what to get the 850 EVO is considered the best blend of price, performance and reliability. Intel's stuff is rock solid but you pay for it. The 950 Pro comes out in NVMe format, but won't be available until December. It'll be roughly the same price as the 850 Pro based on it's storage capacity. The 850 Evo comes with a 5 year warranty and the 500GB/1TB drives come with a 150 TB written limited warranty. The 850 Pro comes with a 10 year warranty and a 300 TBW Ltd Warranty on the 500GB/1TB drives. The 850 Evo is acceptable for almost all use cases. I personally would suggest going for the 1TB just to alleviate having to worry about deleting games.
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Oct 26, 2015 08:11
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WTF is this poo poo? Anyone got a legit download link that isn't full of crapware?
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Oct 26, 2015 18:54
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Lum posted:WTF is this poo poo? Well if you wanna go the overclock.net forums "some dude with a dropbox link and yeah it looks legit I guess" route: http://www.overclock.net/t/1576258/samsung-magician-4-7-encountered-an-error-with-850-evo/10#post_24543131
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Oct 26, 2015 19:52
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Lum posted:WTF is this poo poo? It's like Samsung goes out of it's way to find new and creative ways to suck.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:29
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Lowen SoDium posted:It's like Samsung goes out of it's way to find new and creative ways to suck. This software doesn't recognise my SM951 as a Samsung drive!
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Oct 26, 2015 21:24
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It's an OEM drive, which as far as I know Magician does not support -- regardless of whether the hardware inside is identical to a consumer SKU.
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nielsm posted:Sounds like the Samsung 840 EVO issue, and a quick search indicates you aren't the only one. Maybe try the Samsung firmware update, see if it'll recognize the drive. Otherwise I'd say contact Lenovo support about the issue. (But they will probably tell you to do dumb things like flatten and reinstall.) I'm having trouble installing the firmware. Magician 4.7 has firmware update option grayed out, but the firmware it's running isn't the latest version. Magician 4.8 won't download because Samsung is so incredibly cheap that they've throttled the download. I've created a bootable USB from the image in the downloadable ISO but the boot menu doesn't list it for some reason. I have booted this PC from a USB before so I don't know why it's not working. Does anyone have a good step-by-step thing to follow to create the bootable USB? I think I did it right but it's not working.
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Oct 26, 2015 23:35
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SlayVus posted:The 950 Pro comes out in NVMe format, but won't be available until December. It'll be roughly the same price as the 850 Pro based on it's storage capacity. AVeryLargeRadish posted:You can get faster speeds with an NVMe enabled M.2 or PCIe SSD but they are very expensive, also you probably don't really need the speed, a SATA based SSD is plenty fast for most things. As for what to get the 850 EVO is considered the best blend of price, performance and reliability. Intel's stuff is rock solid but you pay for it. Thanks for the replies guys. Will probably go for a Samsung 1TB 850 EVO
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Oct 27, 2015 00:45
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Lum posted:WTF is this poo poo? I ran into this when the 2.6 (?) patch came out this spring. I can't even fathom how that warning page got past any web user-experience QA team at Samsung. Of course, that would imply that there's a user-experience QA team at Samsung.
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Oct 27, 2015 01:30
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Techreport says:quote:The 950 Pro doesn't scale as well in our synthetic random workloads as the Intel drives do, and it delivers middling performance that's comparable to SATA SSDs in our sustained random write tests. Samsung's own SM951 is often faster—sometimes, a lot faster—in some tests, as well, even if it doesn't scale as well as the 950 Pro in others. We've pinged Samsung to ask whether our results with the 950 Pro in these areas are somehow atypical Bummer, Sounds like maybe firmware issues. I really don't get why the SM951 is a lot faster in some cases. Shouldn't be like that. They did mention thermal throttling in the article but who knows.
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The anand review indicated that yes thermal throttling happens often:quote:Comparing the graphs of the two 950s shows that the inconsistency of the 512GB drive comes from frequent jumps in performance above a solid baseline. This pattern holds even for the test with overprovisioning. Graphing the power consumption over time (not shown) reveals that the periods of lower performance have lower power. If the lower performance were due to periodic background garbage collection, then we would expect power consumption to be at least as high as when the drive is performing well. Instead, it appears that the 512GB drive is experiencing thermal throttling. I don't think this will be a huge problem for your typical desktop user but it's something to keep an eye on, hopefully they improve on this.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:29
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I think I said this before, but these are going to rewrite direct airflow over the card or putting done vrm heatsinks on them.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:08
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In a way that'a really loving cool, we have storage so fast that we need to put heatsinks on it because the heat from reading data is becoming too much. Like drat, good work boys.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:40
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Pryor on Fire posted:In a way that'a really loving cool, we have storage so fast that we need to put heatsinks on it because the heat from reading data is becoming too much. Like drat, good work boys. Its actually the controller that gets hot but yeah this is why I mentioned the Intel 750 with the gigantic heatsink earlier in the thread. The m.2 form factor is going to be a bit hard to cool but i'm sure its fixable.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:42
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I can't get my computer to recognize a boot able USB drive with Samsung's evo firmware iso on it. I've tried a few different utilities to create bootable USB drives but none have worked. I've also tried using the disk image in the Samsung iso. The bios just won't recognize it as a bootable volume. Samsung website says to use a cd or dvd but I don't have an optical drive. Magician firmware update button remains greyed out. What do I do at this point? Buy an external optical drive? I really wish Samsung magician would install firmware like it's apparently supposed to.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:47
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Internet says try Rufus: https://rufus.akeo.ie/ Leave the default settings and point it to the .ISO. It should be able to make a bootable USB stick.
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Oct 28, 2015 22:03
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redeyes posted:Its actually the controller that gets hot but yeah this is why I mentioned the Intel 750 with the gigantic heatsink earlier in the thread. The m.2 form factor is going to be a bit hard to cool but i'm sure its fixable.
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Oct 28, 2015 22:08
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:M.2 drives that use SATA3 on the other hand don't go above 45c. Very true. It's the NVMe controller that are pretty hot running right now.
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Oct 28, 2015 22:16
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I think you could fit a heatsink on the controller comfortably even in a laptop. It would probably be right against the case.
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Oct 28, 2015 22:25
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Does the controller of a 950 face upward in most m.2 slots?
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Oct 28, 2015 22:45
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The 950 pro are one sided. There is a two sided version with 1tb of storage scheduled for early 2016. The orientation of the slot should have all the storage chips and controller chip facing away from the board.
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redeyes posted:Internet says try Rufus: I have been trying Rufus 
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Arglebargle III posted:I have been trying Rufus Make sure the USB stick you want to boot off of is in a USB 2.0 port, often the uppermost/leftmost one looking at the port plate. Sometimes BIOSes don't like to recognize the USB 3.0 ports or even extra USB 2.0 controllers.
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I will have a spare 2242 m.2 drive for my next desktop build. If I buy a motherboard with an m.2 slot, do I need to worry about propping up the other end? Is the hookup strong enough that the drive will hold steady even though it doesn't reach all the way to the 80mm screw that normally holds drives in place?
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What's the deal with the sandisk/ocz type offbrand SSDs that newegg keeps bundling and selling in 2-4 packs? for example today there's this  a few days ago there was this  they may have done it recently with corsair/mushkin ssds too iirc Do any/all of these still have unacceptably high failure rates? I've bought nothing but samsung since the OCZ sandforce days for my own daily use machines but for example id like to upgrade my parents for xmas without breaking the bank (but only if I can reasonably expect the drives to reliably live long lives) poverty goat fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 14:07
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The Goatfather posted:What's the deal with the sandisk/ocz type offbrand SSDs that newegg keeps bundling and selling in 2-4 packs? OCZ is now Toshiba and most likely is a fine quality SSD now, problem is OCZ tanked their reputation a long time ago so people avoid them. This is a way to get rid of stock that no one wants to buy. The Kingston SSD is ok, a bit slow, but still a SSD. Just a basement bargin SSD.
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redeyes posted:OCZ is now Toshiba and most likely is a fine quality SSD now, problem is OCZ tanked their reputation a long time ago so people avoid them. This is a way to get rid of stock that no one wants to buy. The Kingston SSD is ok, a bit slow, but still a SSD. Just a basement bargin SSD. Problem is, Samsung is hammering at the price point AND maintaining excellent quality. Why bother giving Toshiba/OCZ a chance now? Pay a few bucks more and get one of the best in class consumer drives.
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