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Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Kavak posted:

That would be the embargo, but if "Stalin Was Right" will be a thing, so can this.

Well I think the embargo- while it will have some relationship impact obviously- is more about the whole "America has all the resources" thing, and steering global power balances through trade. Or at least that's my hope.


From the looks of the tree, the US doesn't have to join- or more importantly won't look to join- another faction to meet its ideological goals. I think this is a key thing that helps make sense of the peace talk mechanics from last week- Germany can force France and England to the peace table without dealing with America, and America doesn't "lose" immediately just because France and England fell.

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Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

War Plan Red, guys. War Plan Red.


I'm hyped. I've even cancelled cancelling my pre-order.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009

Kavak posted:

Makes sense- The Monroe Doctrine was all about European interference, we never gave a poo poo about Latin American countries beating each other up, especially in South America once you left the Caribbean coast. US probably would react badly if another country was out-and-out annexed, though.

EDIT: What's the focus called "Pearl Harbor Gambit"?

Historically the US deployed a large chunk of it's surface fleet to Pearl as a sort of final ultimatum, presumably ingame this moves 8 BBs and a bunch of other poo poo to Pearl and causes a huge relations drop with Japan, triggering their Pearl Harbour event.

E: Is war plan white alliance with Japan, or Germany, or both? I'd be interesting for there to be an option to settle peaceably with Japan and join them in grabbing as much colonial land as possible.

EE: What's "WPA"?

Pharnakes fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Nov 6, 2015

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Pharnakes posted:

EE: What's "WPA"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

I'm assuming it's something that helps eventually get your production from sub-par to super-charged by putting people back to work, socialist style

Giggle Goose
Oct 18, 2009
What the gently caress is up with this map on the dev diary? West Virginia sure as poo poo isn't part of Virginia anymore. I realize that maybe not all states don't get to be represented, but come on, they separated during the civil war. The only state ever to secede from another state! Site of the last armed insurrection in US history! My immersion!



Come on guys WV never gets represented in anything, we (I) need this...

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Giggle Goose posted:

What the gently caress is up with this map on the dev diary? West Virginia sure as poo poo isn't part of Virginia anymore. I realize that maybe not all states don't get to be represented, but come on, they separated during the civil war. The only state ever to secede from another state! Site of the last armed insurrection in US history! My immersion!



Come on guys WV never gets represented in anything, we (I) need this...



:negative:

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Good to see HOI4 is continuing the time-honored Hearts of Iron tradition of somehow completely loving up American borders.



LOOK AT MAINE. And that extra-flaccid uncut Floridick.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


I won't be satisfied until every single state is a separate state, especially in New England. Citizens and children of Connecticut unite!

Drone posted:

Good to see HOI4 is continuing the time-honored Hearts of Iron tradition of somehow completely loving up American borders.



LOOK AT MAINE. And that extra-flaccid uncut Floridick.

Did this thread have an equivalent back when HoI III was in development? It must have been like East vs. West on steroids.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Long live the Republic of Indian Stream!

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
Now show us where Stalingrad is!

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

frankenfreak posted:

Now show us where Stalingrad is!

It's in the picture I quoted.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

quote:

so some lesser states have been merged.

:eyepop:

Obfuscation
Jan 1, 2008
Good luck to you, I know you believe in hell
Guys check out these crazy nationalists whining about how their silly borders are not 100% accurate

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


Obfuscation posted:

Guys check out these crazy nationalists whining about how their silly borders are not 100% accurate

It's 'patriots' thank you very much.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
I wont be satisfied until I'm able to fund Jeffersonian rebels on the US West Coast as USSR. :ussr:

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Obfuscation posted:

Guys check out these crazy nationalists whining about how their silly borders are not 100% accurate

Maine will seize the Canadian clay! Death to the canuks!

Alikchi
Aug 18, 2010

Thumbs up I agree

I love the focus trees and the inclusion of alt-hist possibilities. I'm going to mod the hell out of this game. Sad I'm not in the beta.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Paradox dudes, please let me beta test just this one time, been applying to every beta since Victoria 2 :(

Also war plan black = align against fascists in support of the western allies, ie historical outcome.
War plan white would be to align against communists and eventually even ally with fascists to further than cause.
War plan red I assume when it mentions "the empire" it means the british empire, ally with soviets in a global "anti imperialism" crusade?
War plan orange just sounds like ramping up against japan, which also historically happened. If you can only pick one though what about war plan black??

Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 6, 2015

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Baronjutter posted:

Paradox dudes, please let me beta test just this one time, been applying to every beta since Victoria 2 :(

Also I assume the empire in war plan red is the british empire and the chain is to align the US with the soviets?!

That's correct.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009

Alikchi posted:

I love the focus trees and the inclusion of alt-hist possibilities. I'm going to mod the hell out of this game. Sad I'm not in the beta.

Nobody's in the beta yet, we don't find out until the 11th, I think?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Wait are you even allowed to mod during the beta? It seems kinda against the point of finding bugs if you might end up accidentally introducing a bunch of your own when you play it.

e: also keep in mind they said there's like 40 times the number of applicants than there are beta slots. even if a bunch of those are spam/ duplicates or whatever, our odds of getting in are pretty low :(


Speaking of modding though, anyone know how to get in contact with any of Paradox's EU4 artists/ what their policy is towards handing out assets? I've got a bunch of free time again so I wanna take another shot at doing adviser portraits, but keeping them consistent with the game's style is (for me, at least) mad difficult on that small a scale so if I could get the original sizes it would be lovely. Figured I might ask at least :shobon:

Koramei fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 6, 2015

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Baronjutter posted:

Paradox dudes, please let me beta test just this one time, been applying to every beta since Victoria 2 :(

Also war plan black = align against fascists in support of the western allies, ie historical outcome.
War plan white would be to align against communists and eventually even ally with fascists to further than cause.
War plan red I assume when it mentions "the empire" it means the british empire, ally with soviets in a global "anti imperialism" crusade?
War plan orange just sounds like ramping up against japan, which also historically happened. If you can only pick one though what about war plan black??

I assume Black is the historical Europe first policy, Pacific gets less focus.

Orange would be the other way around.

GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Oddly the War Plan options don't seem to be marked as mutually exclusive.

War Plan Prism: War on Everyone. :getin:

Westminster System
Jul 4, 2009
War Plan Rainbow.

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004
There should be a specific combination of national decisions, taken across all major participants, that leads to the world of 1984.

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


The idea of tearing down the British Empire is almost enough to make me want to align with the Soviets, but I think I'd rather liberate all those oppressed Soviet republics as well. In short

GSD posted:

War Plan Prism: War on Everyone. :getin:

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


GSD posted:

War Plan Prism: War on Everyone. :getin:

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

This is pretty good time to be a Paradox fan. I'm both really excited about Stellaris and the new HOI. I'm more confident about the design and quality of HOI4 but Stellaris has more "potential" (for both success and failure). What a time to be alive! So many dev diaries to look forward to.

Can anyone refresh my mind on the estimate release dates for both of them though?

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Koramei posted:

Wait are you even allowed to mod during the beta? It seems kinda against the point of finding bugs if you might end up accidentally introducing a bunch of your own when you play it.

e: also keep in mind they said there's like 40 times the number of applicants than there are beta slots. even if a bunch of those are spam/ duplicates or whatever, our odds of getting in are pretty low :(


Speaking of modding though, anyone know how to get in contact with any of Paradox's EU4 artists/ what their policy is towards handing out assets? I've got a bunch of free time again so I wanna take another shot at doing adviser portraits, but keeping them consistent with the game's style is (for me, at least) mad difficult on that small a scale so if I could get the original sizes it would be lovely. Figured I might ask at least :shobon:

On the other hand, a bunch of those applications probably say something like "I'm here to make sure you don't gently caress up Bulgaria like you always do, you can tank me later :smug: "

If you managed to actually sound civil and normal in your application, I suspect you're going to make at least their first few cuts :)

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
War Plan Beige: pacifist neutrality :angel:

Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747
HoI3:

If i give a automated theatre in France landing crafts and marines, and tell them to attack England, will they poo poo themselves and do nothing or will they make use of them and attack?

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Dongattack posted:

HoI3:

If i give a automated theatre in France landing crafts and marines, and tell them to attack England, will they poo poo themselves and do nothing or will they make use of them and attack?

Depends on many factors, like what mood the AI's in and the phase of the moon.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Rule of thumb for any given situation in HoI3: The AI will, without fail, pick the stupidest option.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!
Grimey Drawer

Dongattack posted:

HoI3:

If i give a automated theatre in France landing crafts and marines, and tell them to attack England, will they poo poo themselves and do nothing or will they make use of them and attack?

I've found that if you manually make the first landing the AI will sometimes, rarely do the rest. In all other cases the AI won't do poo poo.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat
My hope for HoI4 will be that it will be more friendly to first time hearts of iron players. Maybe I'm just bad at the game, but I've always found Paradox's WW2 games to be their most inaccessible - for whatever reason I've never really been able to get things click as well for me as they do in ck2 or eu4.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

My hope for HoI4 will be that it will be more friendly to first time hearts of iron players. Maybe I'm just bad at the game, but I've always found Paradox's WW2 games to be their most inaccessible - for whatever reason I've never really been able to get things click as well for me as they do in ck2 or eu4.

On the one hand, I usually think the HoI systems are the most accessible. Build an army, research techs, align to 1 of 3 groups a US high school history class actually managed to teach me about. Once you understand multiple-front attacks and strategic redeployment I think you get most of the unique HoI-3 battle mechanics.

On the other hand, it's a game with a very weird pace. Since virtually everyone does a '36 start, it's several hours of slowly watching the clock tick by, and then suddenly you're in a world war and if you made some mistakes in your army planning (went with poor tech choices, under-built your army or navy or air-force, didn't come up with an appropriate strategic plan) the game can end for you almost immediately.

Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747
I didn't get to try the AI marine landings cause the Soviet Union got VERY ANGRY AND TOOK EVERYTHING

I loved it, can't wait for HoI4. I hope the AI is more capable tho, i don't like micromanaging this much, but watching the AI capitalize on my groundwork and execute general orders is extremely my jam.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

On the one hand, I usually think the HoI systems are the most accessible...

My problem may have been that I tried out HoI2, never managed to do well, and then wrote off HoI3 after its poor reviews. I plan on giving the fourth a chance, though, since I have been charmed by the dev. diaries and the thought of being good at a WW2 game has always been appealing to me!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_color-coded_war_plans#List_of_Color_Plans

What a great time to be a modder :getin:

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Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

What will be the worst mod made for HoI-4?

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